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Re: death sentence in the uk?
And what the feck has guns ownership got to do with this thread anyhow.
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Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
If they commit suicide, it's out of the state's hands of committing murder.
The state should not play babysitter to keep someone alive.
That's where we disagree. I think the state should babysit criminals til they die.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
@j2 - It is interesting that since guns have been banned in the UK, there has been a rise in home invasions. Who'd have thunk it? :huh:
Guns haven't been banned in the UK :blink:
Uh yeah...hard as fuck harder than a US citizen to get one and even then choices are more limited. :dry:
Mmk?
edit: actually if they are exiled to an island then there would be a certain amount of babysitting since ya can't let them swim off. :lol: :lol:
So, I'm glad you agree...ultimately
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Originally Posted by manker
And what the feck has guns ownership got to do with this thread anyhow.
Oh my bad. I don't pm people that much so I slipped that one in to j2 hence that @j2 thingie.
Guns and death penalty are banned so, right, there, yes there, there's the link..yesyes.
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Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by manker
That's where we disagree. I think the state should babysit criminals til they die.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
@j2 - It is interesting that since guns have been banned in the UK, there has been a rise in home invasions. Who'd have thunk it? :huh:
Guns haven't been banned in the UK :blink:
Uh yeah...hard as fuck harder than a US citizen to get one. :dry:
Mmk?
As hard as fuck harder than a US citizen. That's pretty fucking hard :D
So anyway, since guns became as hard as fuck hard to get in the UK, burgularies have gone up? I wasn't aware. Where did you read this.
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Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by manker
And what the feck has guns ownership got to do with this thread anyhow.
Oh my bad. I don't pm people that much so I slipped that one in to j2 hence that @j2 thingie.
Guns and death penalty are banned so, right, there, yes there, there's the link..yesyes.
:lol: :D
Mmk.
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by manker
That's where we disagree. I think the state should babysit criminals til they die.
Guns haven't been banned in the UK :blink:
Uh yeah...hard as fuck harder than a US citizen to get one. :dry:
Mmk?
As hard as fuck harder than a US citizen. That's pretty fucking hard :D
So anyway, since guns became as hard as fuck hard to get in the UK, burgularies have gone up? I wasn't aware. Where did you read this.
A little birdie told me. :rolleyes:
I leave you all to Google away........
It's off-topic anyway so don't mind little old me. :rolleyes:
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Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Uh yeah...hard as fuck harder than a US citizen to get one. :dry:
Mmk?
As hard as fuck harder than a US citizen. That's pretty fucking hard :D
So anyway, since guns became as hard as fuck hard to get in the UK, burglaries have gone up? I wasn't aware. Where did you read this.
A little birdie told me. :rolleyes:
I leave you all to Google away........
It's off-topic anyway so don't mind little old me. :rolleyes:
That's alright, it's always pretty funny when vid gets all irate 'cause a few people go off-topic in one of his threads.
Btw, Googling is for lewsers - I thought you knew - so just tell me where ya read it :D
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Burgularies are down in the UK.
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here's a way to look at it. it has been mentioned a few times but went over your heads.
if you were a bit loopy and ready to give your life as a suicide bomber.
you had convinced yourself you were ready to die in a few days.
which then sounds more appealing?
1) if you succeed you kill yourself and others and be a martyr
if you fail you face the death penalty in a few months and claim your martyrdom and attention still
2) if you succeed you kill yourself and others and be a martyr
if you fail you spend as long as you would naturally live, humiliated as a typical prisoner along with rapists and theives. by the time you die you have fallen from public interest. you, your collaborators and sympathisers have now forgotten about the romanticism of your martyrdom
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2) if you succeed you kill yourself and others and be a martyr
if you fail you spend as long as you would naturally live, humiliated as a typical prisoner along with rapists and theives. by the time you die you have fallen from public interest. you, your collaborators and sympathisers have now forgotten about the romanticism of your martyrdom
In the example you give I can think of nothing more poetic as punishment to this sort of criminal. Having said Harold Shipman and Fred West aren't that much alive these days...
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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
2) if you succeed you kill yourself and others and be a martyr
if you fail you spend as long as you would naturally live, humiliated as a typical prisoner along with rapists and theives. by the time you die you have fallen from public interest. you, your collaborators and sympathisers have now forgotten about the romanticism of your martyrdom
In the example you give I can think of nothing more poetic as punishment to this sort of criminal. Having said Harold Shipman and Fred West aren't that much alive these days...
i bet they always knew they were taking the cowards way out too
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Originally Posted by j2k4
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Originally Posted by manker
Dropping them off in a place where they can commit ritual suicide with relative ease and among their kith seems a rather benevolent method with which to deal with these folk.
Kinda like saying "Ah well, you fecked up your suicide last time - we'll take you to a place where even the stupidest amongst you simply cannot fail' :huh:
Just so, but if proof of their ritual suicide never gets off the island, their fundamentalist brethren would perhaps wonder...
My gut tells me also that ritual suicide amongst a batch of like-minded people would somehow lose it's aspect, don't you think?
There's a certain undesirable but pervasive "sameness" to that particular rite.
It also nicely fits that old nugget that goes something like:
"If a tree falls in the forest..."
That has special appeal for me.
I guess it wouldn't cover them in glory among their stock as much as if they succeeded in the first place but it's still some way better than living to old age among infidel wastrels.
It's one thing not having proof of this ritual suicide but another entirely to have indubitable proof to the contrary. I think I know which of these two methods of punishment a failed suicide bomber would choose.
It struck me as you going easy on a perpetrator of a heinous crime, which isn't like you at all.
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Oh, fuck it...let's just adopt the old Soviet method of "disappearing" people; that way we can torture and interrogate them, and do with them as we please-perhaps auction them off cheaply for use as pinatas on the birthdays of the children of Christian/infidel nations, and post the footage on the net?
Sounds like the ticket to me....
Now that's more like it :lol:
Cheap pinatas for infidel children :lol: :D
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Originally Posted by manker
Cheap pinatas for infidel children :lol: :D
true. I think they should (if they can) find the families and friends. And interrogate them, if they don't comply, execute them. I believe what manors and behaviour a person acquires partially comes from childhood, family and friends.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
@j2 - It is interesting that since guns have been banned in the UK, there has been a rise in home invasions. Who'd have thunk it? :huh:
eh?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4700575.stm
Burglaries have gone DOWN 20% in the last year, and car crime has also dropped by 17%.
It's violent crime and gun crime that have increased, by 7% and 6% respectively.
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Originally Posted by maebach
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Originally Posted by manker
Cheap pinatas for infidel children :lol: :D
true. I think they should (if they can) find the families and friends. And interrogate them, if they don't comply, execute them.
Don't be ridiculous.
Btw, if you're going to spam eight threads in five minutes with meaningless drivel to get your post count up, do it in GamesWorld.
You might get moderated but at least I won't have to read it.
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
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Originally Posted by Busyman
@j2 - It is interesting that since guns have been banned in the UK, there has been a rise in home invasions. Who'd have thunk it? :huh:
eh?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4700575.stm
Burglaries have gone DOWN 20% in the last year, and car crime has also dropped by 17%.
It's violent crime and gun crime that have increased, by 7% and 6% respectively.
Maybe you can google home invasions.
How is your gun crime up anyway when handguns are banned?
I usually hear something like better reporting.
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Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
Maybe you can google home invasions.
How is your gun crime up anyway when handguns are banned?
I usually hear something like
better reporting.
That's only in the last year, handguns have been banned for many years - so it's got nothing to do with it.
What's with telling everyone to google. I thought you were against that sort of thing. Besides, you should provide some reliable stats for us.
At the moment, everyone thinks you're talking out of your arse.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Maybe you can google home invasions.
I just did, thanks for that, and I stand by my statement. Which source did you get your stats from then? :unsure:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
How is your gun crime up anyway when handguns are banned?
I usually hear something like better reporting.
Hmmm, I guess that's something for YOU to "google"... :dry:
Also, I don't think it is better reporting, gun-crime has always been well reported, because it is still so relatively uncommon in this country.
Hey, here's some actual facts for you!
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Firearms offences rose 6% in the official figures to just under 11,000, in which 73 people were killed, five more than the previous year.
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Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by manker
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Originally Posted by Busyman
Maybe you can google home invasions.
How is your gun crime up anyway when handguns are banned?
I usually hear something like better reporting.
That's only in the last year, handguns have been banned for many years - so it's got nothing to do with it.
What's with telling everyone to google. I thought you were against that sort of thing. Besides, you should provide some reliable stats for us.
At the moment, everyone thinks you're talking out of your arse.
Stats are stats and I see burglaries were googled and I'm taking it that those stats are correct as reported by your Home Office via BCS/recorded crime.
So you win.
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
I just did, thanks for that, and I stand by my statement. Which source did you get your stats from then? :unsure:
So home invasion equals burglary?
Oic.
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
I just did, thanks for that, and I stand by my statement. Which source did you get your stats from then? :unsure:
So home invasion equals burglary?
Oic.
trick question?
what percentage of home invasions are not burglaries? i'm guessing they would have had to shoot up 20 fold at least to counter balance the 20% drop in burglaries
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This thread has gone quite surreal.
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Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
This thread has gone quite surreal.
i reported it :happy:
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Re: death sentence in the uk?
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
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Originally Posted by Busyman
So home invasion equals burglary?
Oic.
trick question?
what percentage of home invasions are not burglaries? i'm guessing they would have had to shoot up 20 fold at least to counter balance the 20% drop in burglaries
We'll have to Google and see if there has been a 20%+ rise in 'People running into your house but not stealing stuff' crime.
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i was thinking there could be coups and kidnappings but i doubt they even make up 0.1% of home invasions
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i was thinking there could be coups and kidnappings but i doubt they even make up 0.1% of home invasions
Don't forget the huge rise in illegal shortcutting, the massive increase of peeping toms and the chronic problem of tramps hiding under your bed.
It soon mounts up.
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i was thinking there could be coups and kidnappings but i doubt they even make up 0.1% of home invasions
Not much point trying to qualify this contextually inane statement about home invasion not necessarily being burglaries.
Busyman is trying to deflect from the fact that he was talking out of his arse.
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do drunk people walking into the wrong house count as home invasions too?
even with all these things i can't see it reaching 1%
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Cottaging sounds like it should be a home invason crime.
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maybe the definition of home invasion is so badly defined that guests are invaders, so the increase of house parties over the last year easily made up that drop in burglaries
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
I just did, thanks for that, and I stand by my statement. Which source did you get your stats from then? :unsure:
So home invasion equals burglary?
Oic.
I would have said yes, home invasion is a type of burglary, and at least one definition backs me up, however this could be a "tomayto, tomahto" situation we have here, because I see from wikipedia that "Home Invasion" is a legally defined offence in your country, and so you can be charged with it for an intent other than burglary. :mellow:
http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...ome%20invasion
http://www.answers.com/topic/home-invasion
If you had directed me to wikipedia, or in fact had provided a source in the first place, we wouldn't have had this pointless discussion... :frusty:
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Gate-crashing a house party.
Illegal house-sitting.
Reverse burglary.
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
maybe the definition of home invasion is so badly defined that guests are invaders, so the increase of house parties over the last year easily made up that drop in burglaries
You always end up with people at your party that you don't know and didn't invite so perhaps they are included in the figures.
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home invasion isn't badly defined.
now where's stats to suggest it's increased?
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
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Originally Posted by Busyman
So home invasion equals burglary?
Oic.
I would have said yes, home invasion is a type of burglary, and at least one definition backs me up, however this could be a "tomayto, tomahto" situation we have here, because I see from wikipedia that "Home Invasion" is a legally defined offence in your country, and so you can be charged with it for an intent other than burglary. :mellow:
http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...ome%20invasion
http://www.answers.com/topic/home-invasion
If you had directed me to wikipedia, or in fact had provided a source in the first place, we wouldn't have had this pointless discussion... :frusty:
Sorry, I didn't look at wiki.
Home invasions don't always involve burglary annnnnd all burglaries aren't home invasions. :1eye:
I leave you to google...
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Originally Posted by GepperRankins
home invasion isn't badly defined.
now where's stats to suggest it's increased?
Maybe they're hidden within the violent crime increased. Maybe it's just really boisterous party gatecrashers? :unsure:
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Originally Posted by Busyman
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Originally Posted by Barbarossa
I would have said yes, home invasion is a type of burglary, and at least one definition backs me up, however this could be a "tomayto, tomahto" situation we have here, because I see from wikipedia that "Home Invasion" is a legally defined offence in your country, and so you can be charged with it for an intent other than burglary. :mellow:
http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...ome%20invasion
http://www.answers.com/topic/home-invasion
If you had directed me to wikipedia, or in fact had provided a source in the first place, we wouldn't have had this pointless discussion... :frusty:
Sorry, I didn't look at wiki.
Home invasions don't always involve burglary annnnnd all burglaries aren't home invasions. :1eye:
I leave you to google...
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home invasion
n.
Burglary of a dwelling while the residents are at home.
there would still have to be a massive increase to counter the 20% fall in overall burglaries. or or an even bigger drop in burglaries when no-one is in. or a mix of both. impossible i reckon
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The only reason for a decrease in the crime rate is the fact that people cannot be bothered reporting it anymore. Unless it is a 'high profile' case the police cant be arsed pursuing it.
If someone burgles your house and you call the police. The standard reply from 'plod' is. 'You will get the insurance money for it'. Is somebody is assaulted they say 'Unless we see them doing it, we cant do anything about it'.
If the burglary involved a priceless painting or the assault was likely to end up in a murder case. There would be more 'brass plod' around your house than in the local scrap yard.
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The only reason for a decrease in the crime rate is the fact that people cannot be bothered reporting it anymore. Unless it is a 'high profile' case the police cant be arsed pursuing it.
If someone burgles your house and you call the police. The standard reply from 'plod' is. 'You will get the insurance money for it'. Is somebody is assaulted they say 'Unless we see them doing it, we cant do anything about it'.
If the burglary involved a priceless painting or the assault was likely to end up in a murder case. There would be more 'brass plod' around your house than in the local scrap yard.
So the fact you need a crime number for any insurance claim didn't come into your reasoning at all.
