Hurricane Katrina...

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Originally Posted by Everose

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Originally Posted by Formula1

I was watching fox news and then Bill oreilley was talking about countries that donated the most to the U.S. . Kuwait donated over 500 millions dollars worth of oil and 100 millions dollars in cash , Saudi Arabia donated about 100 million dollars. But most of the European countries and canada merely donated less than 1 million dollars, UK barely donated anything... :lol: . what do you guys think about this ?

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Actually, I have thought about it some. And the things I think about it I will keep to myself. :)

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Agreed...

Peace bd ;)

I take it this news is BS too ?


http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/06...nal.aid.flows/

Sorry for taking it personal but what does supplies ,ships, helicopter's and personnel cost ?

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Some of the aid is already being put to use. MREs (meals ready-to-eat) from Germany and Italy are being distributed and medical assistance from Italy is being accepted. Planes and helicopters from Canada and Singapore are being used to transport evacuees. Emergency supplies from Britain, Japan and Mexico also are being delivered.

Canada is also sending three naval ships and a Coast guard vessel packed with supplies and 1,000 military personnel to the disaster area.

The United States is also awaiting the arrival of two Greek cruise ships to house evacuees.


Don't know why I can't let this go .....but moneys cheap use that for the rebuilding its going to take, mabye years if ever . Be thankful for the countries that gave their " people " and resourses to help. You can't put that in the bank . The poor soldier (insert country ) looking for aunt Mables dog gone missing . ;)

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Originally Posted by peat moss

Canadians sent many teams to help , doctors , nurses , engineers , police officers . They were there before your Home land secuity teams too I think . With their own money spent , I might add .



When these disasters happen some just go to help ,no fanfare just to help and learn from it . Our Urban Team from Vancouver was there from the beginning .



http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/usar/


Ah I 'm choked, our navy all three ships :lol: are there to do the fucking dirty work clearing waterways of the bodies and clearing levies to help . Working in terrible condtions with power lines and debris under water,, thats what friends are for not pointing fucking fingers . :dry:

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Peat, thank you for posting this link. I cried with tears of gratitude. I thought highly of Canadians before reading this. But even more so now. Your Country's rolling up their sleeves and working alongside us is appreciated.........actually any Country or individual's sincere show of concern and care right now help more than you know.
Thanks. So Much.

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Originally Posted by Everose

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Originally Posted by peat moss

Canadians sent many teams to help , doctors , nurses , engineers , police officers . They were there before your Home land secuity teams too I think . With their own money spent , I might add .



When these disasters happen some just go to help ,no fanfare just to help and learn from it . Our Urban Team from Vancouver was there from the beginning .



http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/usar/


Ah I 'm choked, our navy all three ships :lol: are there to do the fucking dirty work clearing waterways of the bodies and clearing levies to help . Working in terrible condtions with power lines and debris under water,, thats what friends are for not pointing fucking fingers . :dry:

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Peat, thank you for posting this link. I cried with tears of gratitude. I thought highly of Canadians before reading this. But even more so now. Your Country's rolling up their sleeves and working alongside us is appreciated.........actually any Country or individual's sincere show of concern and care right now help more than you know.
Thanks. So Much.

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Rose, said it best. So, I'm just going to quote her.

Peace bd

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EU Backs Up Beleaguered US
Europe sends aid for New Orleans

Following a US appeal for assistance on 4 September, 13 EU countries are sending aid to deal with the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. Experts teams (medical, logistics, communication, search and rescue), equipment (tents/blankets, water purification equipment, water pumps, meals, generators), and transport are now heading across the Atlantic.

Austria and Belgium have sent crisis intervention teams, the Netherlands has offered a naval frigate loaded with fresh drinking water, while Germany and the UK have sent over half a million ready meals (full list attached below).

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin has said as many as 10,000 people may have lost their lives in the ferocious hurricane and subsequent flooding. In response to the disaster, two former Presidents aim to help victims with a Clinton-Bush Katrina Fund, along the lines of the Tsunami relief fund they organised earlier in the year.

New York Senator Hillary Clinton and her husband have also proposed a Congressional enquiry into the response from the federal government, along the lines of the 9/11 probe. Mr Clinton told CNN: "Our government failed those people in the beginning, and I take it now there is no dispute about it. One hundred percent of the people recognize that - that it was a failure".

For now, though, the focus is still on bailing out the beleaguered city, as relief flows in from around the world.

Howard Hudson,
6 September 2005



Austria

“Crisis Intervention Team” from the Austrian Red Cross:
Team was deployed on 1st September 2005 in Houston/Texas and will stay at least till 9th September 2005.

Set up of a communication network using IT and communication equipment for assistance/support.
10 sets petrol driven dirty water pumps
500 pieces tarps/plastic sheeting
300 camp beds

Belgium

3 Medical teams of 31 personnel
Logistic team of 10 personnel
Coordination team of 4 personnel
Civil engineering team of 10 personnel
Diving team
Balloon-lamps
Low and high capacity pumps
Small generators

Denmark

Water purification units

Finland

Search and Rescue team of 30 personnel

France

Material prepositioned in the Antilles, including 300 tents, 980 field beds, jerricans and soap, 60 generators, 3 water purification plants, 30 pumps and other material. The material will be accompanied by a team of 12 persons.

Germany

Germany has sent 40.000 meals and is currently sending another 30.000 on bilateral basis. Expert teams will be deployed as well.

Italy

300 Adult camp beds
300 blankets
600 sheets
1 suction pump
6 liferafts
11.200 chlorine tablets
5 units of large first aid kits
baby food formula

Luxembourg

Team of five persons as of Tuesday, with two jeeps.
1000 camp beds and 2000 blankets.

Malta

Material and cash (no details supplied)

Netherlands

The NL ready to offer assistance.
Has offered 3 (giant) waterpump installations
A Navy-vessel (fregat Van Amstel) containing fresh drinkingwater supplies/medical supplies/helicopters/beds,etc is en route towards New Orleans.

Romania

2 Teams of medical experts

Sweden

First Aid Kits, Blankets, Meals Ready to Eat, Generators, Plastic sheeting.
2 heavy water purification plants and instructors for their use.
Equipment for restoring the cell phone net in disaster areas.
Sweden has an aircraft ready for immediate deployment.

UK

500,000 Meals Ready to Eat (MREs) in process of being moved.
Medical experts
Urban Search and Rescue equipment, incl. rigid inflatable boats
Marine engineers and high-volume pumps
Skilled personnel including engineers who could support recovery efforts for installations and systems, Technicians, staff trained in disaster management and emergency response activities.

Source: European Commission

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Originally Posted by knobber

But most of the European countries and canada merely donated less than 1 million dollars, UK barely donated anything... . what do you guys think about this ?

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Ah yes, Europe hardly donated anything :dry:

Being one of the richest countries in the world, you shouldn't need anyone's fucking money, just initial people/supplies etc to sort out the mess your Gov't couldn't/wouldn't prepare for.

http://www.democracyarsenal.org/2005...a_the_glo.html

Maybe you should have a read of that too Evey, BD and F1 :dry:

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Originally Posted by Dan Kervick | Sep 7, 2005 1:18:39 AM

I am embarrassed to take donations from countries that are much poorer than we are, and am in no mood to celebrate, or grow warm and misty, as they chip in to foot the bill for our own reckless habit of undertaxing ourselves, and failing to meet our national obligations for self-government. If we were destitute and needed the money, that would be one thing. But we are the richest country in the world.

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Originally Posted by Formula1

I was watching fox news and then Bill oreilley was talking about countries that donated the most to the U.S. . Kuwait donated over 500 millions dollars worth of oil and 100 millions dollars in cash , Saudi Arabia donated about 100 million dollars. But most of the European countries and canada merely donated less than 1 million dollars, UK barely donated anything... :lol: . what do you guys think about this ?

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I think that European leaders decided exactly the same as I did:

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Originally Posted by manker

Donating money to those in need is a very personal thing and people should not be judged nor made to feel inferior if they do not donate to a particular charity.

It is absolutely impossible to give even a penny per month of your income to each good cause around the globe - there are simply too many of them.

I set aside a pre-determined amount of my income each month and give to various charitable bodies, this amount is not inconsiderable and I take some time reviewing each cause that I donate to.

In this case, I am not giving any money at all since I do not believe it supersedes any of the other causes I currently donate to. The people affected are part of the richest country in the world and if no-one donated a penny, sufficient finds would still be available from their government. As I understand it, funds are not the problem - getting aid to the affected is the issue here.

That is not to say I don't feel for those affected, I do and hope that the situation is alleviated soon. My thoughts are with those who have lost loved ones.

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I think if you substitute 'I' meaning manker for 'I' meaning any European leader, the sentiment will hold true.

When did Donations become something that you expect. America should be expecting fuck all in donations and should be sorting out it's own problems. If anyone donates the Government should be very pleased, no matter how much or how little. You seem to expect everyone in the world to donate money to you just because you didn't put enough money into protecting yourself. Jog on America.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by lynx

I've refrained from posting here until things became at least a little settled. It seems that almost everyone is pointing the finger at everone else.

Well, at least J2 knows that the man at the top is responsible for everything, so we can be sure he will be calling for Bush's resignation.

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Sarcastic irony now?

Think, lynx, think...

Bush resigns, you get Cheney, and whomever he selects to sit at his right hand for the next few years.

Works for me.

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Well, it only becomes sarcastic if you are going to be hypocritical about your position that the man at the top should shoulder the blame.

Now that's ironic.

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Originally Posted by lynx

Well, at least J2 knows that the man at the top is responsible for everything

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Careful, lynx.

The stock answer to that kind of statement so far is drivel akin to 'Omg, you think Bush can cause hurricanes!!11BBQ'

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