*official Matrix Chat* Reloaded & Revolution Chat

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Originally posted by Schmiggy_JK23@24 May 2003 - 09:55
1. Im guessing because of all the different people around, and all the access agents could have.

2. Whens the last time you saw a telephone on a freeway? minus the emergency boxes, which dial only to one place... ala some places in florida. Thus, being close to an exit isnt easy.

3. Lots of traffic, and civilians to get in the way, etc. high speeds, less control... note when ever they plug into the matrix, they are reasonably in control of their enviroments, etc... at least for the time being... and the freeway represents just the opposite... no control... and isnt that what its alll about? :lol:

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thanks

I saw it on the big screen last night for the first time (i live in the uk). Beats the centropy version a hundred times over. I am tending towards the theory that zion is still the matrix, it fits nicely.

Do you think the zion smith did the same as neo to save himself from the centanals and thats why he is also in a coma?

This is my first post in this topic.

Just wanted to say thanx to the thread creater and thanx to all who have taken time to post.
Very interesting reading.

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Originally posted by FlamingYob@16 May 2003 - 02:08
I was thinking about those ghost guys, couldn't Neo do that? And do you think we'll see him doing it in the next movie?

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No, those guys are 'deleted programs', meaning they can do what they want with the matrix...

this is just my thoughts....
when neo stoped those machines outside the matrix and fall down....what i am thinking is, what if it wasn't him who destroyed the machines, but other ship that approached them that destroyed it with somekind of electromagnetic pole or something remember how Morpheous did it in the first part?
and neo fall down because may be he was on that magnetic pole and it kinda hurt him or something...
and that gauti guy, if you guys have paid attention, cut his left hand, but when he shook hands with neo he used his right hand, and there was no blood in his right hand....

THERE IS ONLY ONE MATRIX. No way in hell would the Wachowski Brothers pull something like there being a matrix within a matrix/2 matrixes.

My theory about Neo being able to stop the sentinels:
In the first movie, Morpheus explained that when you're in the matrix, if you take pain, or die, in the matrix, you receive the same damage in real life. So, both your body in the matrix, and outside the matrix are connected. An example in Reloaded is when Agent Smith copies himself onto Bane. Doing so, he could now use the phone lines that connect into Zion. Upon doing so, he essentially took command of Bane's body, thus proving that both body and mind are connected to the matrix. So, what you can do in the matrix, can be brought out into the real world. Now, what force brought Neo back from the dead in the first movie? Love! The instrument of that love was Trinity. With that in mind, let's look at that resurrection scene: Trinity leans over Neo and kisses him (the proverbial "kiss of life" or "breath of life") and Neo awakens! And the first words Neo hears are in the form of a command from Trinity, "Now, get up!"... do you see what I'm alluding to? After his resurrection, Neo's mastery of the Matrix is total, and the authorities (Agent Smith) are powerless against him... untill the second movie, where the agents recieve an upgrade.

Now, to explain Neo: The machines/programs refer to Neo as an "anomaly" not because he is "the one," but because there is something special about him. Agent Smith explained this in the park when he said, "...you did something impossible. You killed me," thus implying that the previous Neos never succeeded in killing Agent Smith. Also, the Architect knew he was an anomaly because Neo didn't react to the Architects speech the same way the past Neos had (on the TV screens). This Neo was calm and collected, and was driven by love.

Anyway, at the end of the film when the Nebuchadnezzar is destroyed, Neo finally realizes that he had retained his powers from the matrix, and used them on the machines. In simpler terms: Since your body and mind are connected to the matrix, you are able to take things from the matrix, and use them in reality. Exactly what Neo did. The reason why Neo doesn't understand why he can use his powers in reality is because nobody taught him he could. When he took the red pill in the first movie, the crew from the Nebuchadnezzar had to teach him how to harness the Matrix. Perhaps now, Neo is learning how to harness his powers outside of the Matrix...

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Originally posted by Stonecoldfreak1@15 May 2003 - 21:31
cant w8 to see how much money this movie ranks in

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hey stoner :blink: why, why would you care how much money this movie brings in??????really??????? <_<

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Originally posted by Mr. Smith+25 May 2003 - 13:17--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mr. Smith @ 25 May 2003 - 13:17)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Stonecoldfreak1@15 May 2003 - 21:31
cant w8 to see how much money this movie ranks in

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hey stoner :blink: why, why would you care how much money this movie brings in??????really??????? <_< [/b][/quote]
Do u call everyone stoners :blink: ?

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Originally posted by Stonecoldfreak1@17 May 2003 - 10:02
SPOILER so eh fuck off :lol:

















yeah the guy on the ship says there was 1 survivor... it shows neo then shows the survivor... the guy with the goatee

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hey stoner :blink: i don&#39;t think you should be using that language :angry: ,but as far as they spoiling the movie for you :lol: , i think you will forget in aaa---opps you forgot already :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, after reading all your threads, i think i&#39;ve came up with this:

1) Zion is another matrix:
Here&#39;s why, the aritect says "99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level." You see, they were given a choice, matrix or zion. Zion is just another matrix with a different surroundings, still under the control of the machines. It would also be the reason why Neo could stop the machines.

2) French guy is the First Neo:
First, the Aritect says, once he chooses zion, there is a "reinsertion of the code he is caring, inserting it into the prime program." Thus being deleted. The oracle said Programs who are chosen for deletion can return to the source or go into exile. The French guy, like most French do, fled.

3) What the Aritect Said:
Mainly, in the first film, the oracle said he was not the one. Thus making neo go back into the matrix to save morpheus. Thus bringing out that he is the one. The Aritect says that the entire human race will be destroyed. Now, if they are getting effecient and destroying zion (assuming it is real) and the matrix will crash, then that should have been the end of the movies and all matrixies together. But sence there is a third movie, it makes me think about the choice at an unconscious level, and that he was saying all this to "force" him back into the matrix to save trinity. Why? I guess that will be answered in the 3rd movie.

4) Smith corrolation with Neo:
Neo "destroyed" smith. He should have gone back to the source, like the oracle said, but instead went into exile. Now, smith was the most powerful of the agents. The oracle mentions things about "programs hacking programs." Now take each person in the matrix, and make them into a &#39;program.&#39; Smith then could hack and copy his code into them. Before neo starts the fighting scean after the oracle, Smith almost completes the code transfer. Now, some of his code is in neo, and i guess neo&#39;s code was copied into him for a temp area. (if you know anything about programming, its a simple swap function) Now, neo can do stuff that smith can do, and likewise smith can do some stuff that neo can do. (the hand cutting scene was either for smith to convert neo now without people knowing, or thats how they do things in the alternate matrix)

5) Body Guards of the French Guy:
They were like what morpheus is, a hacker. Of cource the french guy lost his neo &#39;code&#39; but he is still in the matrix. Sort of like the jump program, no one ever gets it on the first jump, they learn. So after 5 or 6 neo&#39;s, they have become powerful. Much to neo&#39;s standards, yet still can only bend the rules. As for the ghoasts, they must have hacked into an old agent program form the begining when they had more control. I&#39;m not sure on that one.

6) The keymaker:
As the oracle and keymaker says, everything has a purpose. of cource the machines knew, similarly like how the oracle knew about the vase, that things must be done or said to effect emotions. Ofcourse, after years and years of going through our minds, they would know excatly what to say, and when to say it. It makes sence that they would know who and where to put things. The keymakes knows that neo is comming for him. That is his purpose. To remove the anomoly. Now, why do agents try to stop neo, either no one told them, or they dont need to know. Their purpose is to try to stop anyone. I dont see why they would do this, because if the anomoly doesnt return to the source, doesnt the matrix crash? I think they have some sort of knowing not to kill him yet still knowing of how to do things to keep him motivated.

7) Revolution Trailer Explained (beta)
Of cource it was only 45 seconds, but here is what i think. The aritect lied, and forced neo back into the matrix. Then into zion. Smith, who can copy his code into people, found out a way to keep his code&#39;s appearence away, so all it is, is the code, not his body. Now, neo and &#39;smith&#39; are in a coma, much like when you are in the matrix. Here are 2 possiblilties:
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• i: They are both "plugged in" and are now fighting in a 3rd matrix. This will finish off smith, and thus leaving only smaller and weaker programs in the main matrix, which neo can take out. He will go back to the main matrix, and find it didnt crash... yadda yadda yadda ... neo and trinity live happily ever after
• ii: They are now out of both matrixies and are fighting in the "real" world. Neo defeats smith, leaving a gateway out of both matrixies.

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Ok, after reading all your threads, i think i&#39;ve came up with this:

1) Zion is another matrix:

I agree that could be a possibility

2) French guy is the First Neo:

No, he is a program, remember the cake he "made" the girl, he said he wrote the prgram himself, he is a program in exile, not a previous neo, also later in the film the architect says all other anomolies (the one&#39;s) chose to return to the mainframe

3) What the Aritect Said:
"Mainly, in the first film, the oracle said he was not the one."

Remember though the oracle only told him what he needed to know, what she actually said was "sorry kid you&#39;re not the one" "you&#39;ve got what it takes but it looks as though you&#39;re waiting for something, another life perhaps?" remember he does dies in the hotel corridor at the end and then relives, so he did what the oracle said "waiting for another life"

4) Smith corrolation with Neo:
"Neo "destroyed" smith. He should have gone back to the source, like the oracle said"

Nope, smith wasnt a program like the others, the only reason programs are to join the source is if there is a better program to replace them, or they are due to be replaced, there is not one single entity better than agents, its their world they control it, remember agents are the machines (i know neo is better :P )

5) Body Guards of the French Guy:
"They were like what morpheus is, a hacker. Of cource the french guy lost his neo &#39;code&#39; but he is still in the matrix. Sort of like the jump program, no one ever gets it on the first jump, they learn. So after 5 or 6 neo&#39;s, they have become powerful. Much to neo&#39;s standards, yet still can only bend the rules. As for the ghoasts, they must have hacked into an old agent program form the begining when they had more control. I&#39;m not sure on that one"

Nope ghosts are previous programs which were due for deletion/replacement and chose to go into exile with the mirovingian, who himself is also a program he "survived the previous anomolies and will this one"