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Regardless of the existence of a "deity" or "god",
ONE fact CANNOT be brushed aside:
This planet, and everything on it was engineered by a Higher intelligence.
*I'm off to see the wizard, the wonderfull wizard of oz........................ :ph34r:
The only thing I cannot brush aside is that "we are here". That is some shit.Quote:
Originally posted by fallenknight308@16 September 2003 - 04:48
Regardless of the existence of a "deity" or "god",
ONE fact CANNOT be brushed aside:
This planet, and everything on it was engineered by a Higher intelligence.
*I'm off to see the wizard, the wonderfull wizard of oz........................ :ph34r:
What?Quote:
Originally posted by fallenknight308@15 September 2003 - 20:48
Regardless of the existence of a "deity" or "god",
ONE fact CANNOT be brushed aside:
This planet, and everything on it was engineered by a Higher intelligence.
You don't believe in serendipity?
BTW, I cannot see the unbrushasideable (huh?) fact in your post...
Here is addenda to the debate on the Alabama/Roy Moore issue.Quote:
Originally posted by Biggles@13 September 2003 - 19:56
Clocker
Thanks
I am not really sure I understand.
Why would a stone designed to give prominence to one specific religion be placed in a courtroom that would presumably deal with cases covering all religions? Surely this would breach the separation of state and religion? Would it be permissible for say a judge who is a Mormon to put up a stone with Mormom texts; and so on through the many religions of the US? I think the judge in question may have put the lid back on the can before the worms got out.
Curious one though.
1-The First Amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Alabama does not have a congress; the historical fact is that the Bill of Rights was a set of restrictions on the federal government.
If the states wished to have a state religion, they are free to do so.
It was not Judge Moore's intent to do so.
2-No rational person could conclude this representation of the Ten Commandments constitutes the establishment of a religion, no matter that they are displayed in the same quarters as the Alabama Supreme Court.
3-One of the "secular" onlooker/protesters was heard to say, "Well, what if someone wanted to put a monument to the Torah in the courthouse?"
The poor boob wasn't aware the Ten Commandments are from the Torah.
They have nothing to do with Christianity per se; they are merely basic rules of good behavior which prohibit murder, perjury, adultery, and theft, and are the moral basis of our laws, and the laws of most other countries as well.
It seems the whole debate is just a wee bit canted, at least as it pertains to the role of government in such affairs.
The government cannot bestow rights; anything the government gives, it can likewise take away.
A right is defined as something which cannot justly be taken away.
The Founding Fathers recognized that rights are God-given, and so structured the government to protect those rights-as granted by God.
It is not correct to refer to "constitutional rights", as the Constitution does not give anyone any rights; it exists solely to forfend government from the abridgement of the rights granted by "You-Know-Who" ;)
What?Quote:
Originally posted by clocker+15 September 2003 - 20:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 15 September 2003 - 20:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-fallenknight308@15 September 2003 - 20:48
Regardless of the existence of a "deity" or "god",
ONE fact CANNOT be brushed aside:
This planet, and everything on it was engineered by a Higher intelligence.
You don't believe in serendipity?
BTW, I cannot see the unbrushasideable (huh?) fact in your post... [/b][/quote]
Touch'e
Wow, every one here still has a thing about increasing their post count <_<
(And don't bother pointing out the "irony" of my rebuttal, or the fact I have
trouble spelling, I am aware of the hypocrisy of this board ;) )
Or perhaps the fact that posts here don't count, as it is, alas, a sub-section of the Lounge?
:ninja:
Whether this post was a joke or not, I'm not sure, but, in my opinion, anyone who believes in gods or higher intelligences, must have a screw loose.Quote:
Regardless of the existence of a "deity" or "god",
ONE fact CANNOT be brushed aside:
This planet, and everything on it was engineered by a Higher intelligence.
Religion is for people who can't comprehend reallity.
:)
Where I come from one can take an oath, on the holy book of your own choice, be it bible, koran or whatever.Quote:
Originally posted by hobbes@14 September 2003 - 04:19
I also wonder why we put our hand on the Bible when taking oath in a courtroom. If I do not abide by the Bible, am I obliged to tell the truth?
Conversely, someone who has no religious religious beliefs can chose to affirm.
A friend of mine was seen to affirm on one occasion. Not because he was not religious. He just didn't like the particular version of the bible that was available. He decided to point this out may be offensive to others.
No religion is for people who need to believe that there is something better than the reality before us. Life for most people sucks. Even those who appear to have it all, are often miserable.Quote:
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@16 September 2003 - 09:06
Whether this post was a joke or not, I'm not sure, but, in my opinion, anyone who believes in gods or higher intelligences, must have a screw loose.Quote:
Regardless of the existence of a "deity" or "god",
ONE fact CANNOT be brushed aside:
This planet, and everything on it was engineered by a Higher intelligence.
Religion is for people who can't comprehend reallity.
:)
The problem with religion is that you have faith in them to receive the desired effect of alleviating pain. I, personally, sit here in my agnostic world trying to assemble my own answer.
Again, Billy your humility and general ebullient style makes this another other post to treasure. :D
any to another
BD
HobbesQuote:
Religion is for people who can't comprehend reallity.
So you agree with me then?Quote:
No religion is for people who need to believe that there is something better than the reality before us. Life for most people sucks. Even those who appear to have it all, are often miserable.
Hobbes
Why do I need humility when talking about religions that tell people like you and I that we are going to burn in hell?Quote:
Again, Billy your humility and general ebullient style makes this any other post to treasure
B)