Hurricane Katrina...

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Originally Posted by JPaul

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I doubt there was a misunderstanding.

Unless it's charity and sometimes military, money buys resources anyway. :ermm:

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Are you really that dense.

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Are you really CaptainObvious dressed as JPaul?

Are you really Finderofmisunderstandings when you should be Therewasnone?

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Oh.

Care to comment on any of this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168829,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168648,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168591,00.html

There's much, much, more where that came from...

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The Real Oil-for-Food Scam
Last year, right-wingers in Congress began kicking up a fuss about how the United Nations had allegedly allowed Saddam Hussein to rake in $10 billion in illegal cash through the Oil for Food program. Headlines screamed scandal. New York Times’ columnist William Safire referred to the alleged U.N. con game as “the richest rip-off in world history.”

But those who knew how the program had been set up and run – and under whose watch – were not swayed.

The initial accusations were based on a General Accounting Office report released in April 2004 and were later bolstered by a more detailed report commissioned by the CIA.

According to the GAO, Hussein smuggled $6 billion worth of oil out of Iraq – most of it through the Persian Gulf. Yet the U.N. fleet charged with intercepting any such smugglers was under direct command of American officers, and consisted overwhelmingly of U.S. Navy ships. In 2001, for example, 90 of its vessels belonged to the United States, while Britain contributed only four, Joy Gordon wrote in a December article for Harper’s magazine.

Most of the oil that left Iraq by land did so through Jordan and Turkey – with the approval of the United States. The first Bush administration informally exempted Jordan from the ban on purchasing Iraqi oil – an arrangement that provided Hussein with $4.4 billion over 10 years, according to the CIA’s own findings. The United States later allowed Iraq to leak another $710 million worth of oil through Turkey – “all while U.S. planes enforcing no-fly zones flew overhead,” Gordon wrote.

Scott Ritter, a U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq during the first six years of economic sanctions against the country, unearthed yet another scam: The United States allegedly allowed an oil company run by Russian foreign minister Yevgeny Primakov’s sister to purchase cheap oil from Iraq and resell it to U.S. companies at market value – purportedly earning Hussein “hundreds of millions” more.

“It has been estimated that 80 percent of the oil illegally smuggled out of Iraq under ‘oil for food’ ended up in the United States,” Ritter wrote in the U.K. Independent

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sores: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0908-05.htm

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What bearing has this got, Dave?

Did you read any of the linked articles?

Rat-

Does this mean I've been out-argued again? :dry:

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

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The Real Oil-for-Food Scam
Last year, right-wingers in Congress began kicking up a fuss about how the United Nations had allegedly allowed Saddam Hussein to rake in $10 billion in illegal cash through the Oil for Food program. Headlines screamed scandal. New York Times’ columnist William Safire referred to the alleged U.N. con game as “the richest rip-off in world history.”

But those who knew how the program had been set up and run – and under whose watch – were not swayed.

The initial accusations were based on a General Accounting Office report released in April 2004 and were later bolstered by a more detailed report commissioned by the CIA.

According to the GAO, Hussein smuggled $6 billion worth of oil out of Iraq – most of it through the Persian Gulf. Yet the U.N. fleet charged with intercepting any such smugglers was under direct command of American officers, and consisted overwhelmingly of U.S. Navy ships. In 2001, for example, 90 of its vessels belonged to the United States, while Britain contributed only four, Joy Gordon wrote in a December article for Harper’s magazine.

Most of the oil that left Iraq by land did so through Jordan and Turkey – with the approval of the United States. The first Bush administration informally exempted Jordan from the ban on purchasing Iraqi oil – an arrangement that provided Hussein with $4.4 billion over 10 years, according to the CIA’s own findings. The United States later allowed Iraq to leak another $710 million worth of oil through Turkey – “all while U.S. planes enforcing no-fly zones flew overhead,” Gordon wrote.

Scott Ritter, a U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq during the first six years of economic sanctions against the country, unearthed yet another scam: The United States allegedly allowed an oil company run by Russian foreign minister Yevgeny Primakov’s sister to purchase cheap oil from Iraq and resell it to U.S. companies at market value – purportedly earning Hussein “hundreds of millions” more.

“It has been estimated that 80 percent of the oil illegally smuggled out of Iraq under ‘oil for food’ ended up in the United States,” Ritter wrote in the U.K. Independent

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sores: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0908-05.htm

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What bearing has this got, Dave?

Did you read any of the linked articles?

Rat-

Does this mean I've been out-argued again? :dry:

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yeah and yeah. the oil-for-food thing is all enigineered in your media to make the UN look corrupt and bad and stuff. if you look deeper you'll realise it was the US that had the power to nip this in the bud, in fact they were pretty much the only people who had power to do anything. it turns out the US were the overseers and allowed it to happen

Hurricane Caterina is a natural disaster
yet so easily it has become political
who , why, when
nature is not political nor cultural aka man-made and so easily becomes religious
it was not an effect of terrorist threat, wmdzz, nor lack of sleep due to neeeed to feed the baby
A Hurricanne rolled over southern us.
it has efffects




recupriation is happening.

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by lynx

I get it exactly.

This is the third time in this thread that you've accused me of criticising the US. I've done no such thing, I've criticised you, but you probably think they are synonymous. Now you accuse me of ignoring what happens at the UN. Again, I've done no such thing. Unlike you, I waited for the outcome of the investigation.

I've done none of the things you accuse me of, a typical ploy by those who wish to divert attention from their own behaviour.

You criticised the UN and its head at a time when little information had been revealed and while an investigation was ongoing, actions which echoed those of many in the GOP. When I suggest you should simply be consistent you accuse me of making things up.

Frankly, if you can't even be consistent it lends weight to the argument that your opinions are worthless.

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Oh.

Care to comment on any of this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168829,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168648,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168591,00.html

There's much, much, more where that came from...

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That report also criticised all the members of the Security Council, including the USA ad UK... funny how Fox doesnt mention that. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by GepperRankins

sores: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0908-05.htm

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What bearing has this got, Dave?

Did you read any of the linked articles?

Rat-

Does this mean I've been out-argued again? :dry:

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yeah and yeah. the oil-for-food thing is all enigineered in your media to make the UN look corrupt and bad and stuff. if you look deeper you'll realise it was the US that had the power to nip this in the bud, in fact they were pretty much the only people who had power to do anything. it turns out the US were the overseers and allowed it to happen

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Ah-then as a fan of the U.N., and a fan of such propaganda, you ought to know that you are pissing into a headwind.

If the U.S. isn't inclined to cooperate overtly with the U.N., why do we bother with it at all?

Your supposition is beyond laughable and makes no sense whatsoever.

It's a good thing this cyber-tripe is free; you'd soon become an advocate of capitalism, I think... :lol:

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Oh.

Care to comment on any of this?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168829,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168648,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168591,00.html

There's much, much, more where that came from...

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That report also criticised all the members of the Security Council, including the USA ad UK... funny how Fox doesnt mention that. :rolleyes:

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The report mentioned that while Annan and his female second had full knowledge of the nefarious activity, they willfully kept this information from the Security Council, Rat.

Perhaps you missed this in the report; it would seem to be at odds with your stance vis-a vis Fox.

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Originally Posted by 100%

Hurricane Caterina is a natural disaster
yet so easily it has become political
who , why, when
nature is not political nor cultural aka man-made and so easily becomes religious
it was not an effect of terrorist threat, wmdzz, nor lack of sleep due to neeeed to feed the baby
A Hurricanne rolled over southern us.
it has efffects




recupriation is happening.

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the republicans cut funding needed for fixing the levees, presumably it was local government that sold out the marshland that acted as a natural buffer and there was no realistic evacuation plan.

random fact: did you know that a hurricane hit cuba in 2004 destroying 20'000 homes? not one life was lost because the evil cuban government managed to evacuate 1.5 million people that were on it's course

Nice one, J2, you've almost managed to turn this into an argument about the UN.

But I'll stop you right there and ask you to apply your standards to the US government.

And this time I'll ask you flat out.

Will you apply the same standards?

Or be branded a hypocrite?

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Originally Posted by j2k4

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

That report also criticised all the members of the Security Council, including the USA ad UK... funny how Fox doesnt mention that. :rolleyes:

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The report mentioned that while Annan and his female second had full knowledge of the nefarious activity, they willfully kept this information from the Security Council, Rat.

Perhaps you missed this in the report; it would seem to be at odds with your stance vis-a vis Fox.

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The report also stated quite clearly that despite any corruption, the blame for which was spread equally amongst nations (and remember that most of the oil did actually end up in the US, and Bush is implicated in the scandal now), was a success.

If you wish to commend the reports findings, then lets commend all of them please.. say after me now... "Oil for Food was a success", bet you'd hate that :P