The Ashes 5th test

id be goign with collingwood there at 4 and Jones when he comes back form injury

and that fuckwit warne england cant play him

England are in trouble. This is a good batting track and Warne is hammering them on the first day. The pitch can only deteriorate.

Normally I would say that one player can't win the match on his own ... but Warne probably can :ermm:

one thing england need to learn is to play warne then they might win a ashes have to wait till he retires I guess

the guy can play til 60 and still take wickets like this

Nobody in the world can consistently play Shane Warne. Brian Lara can ... sometimes - but even he gets confused. How the fuck are the whole England team supposed to learn it.

The reason we're 2-1 up is because the rest of the Aussie team have been consistently worse than England. Warne apart, England completely pwn this Aussie team.

The problem England are going to have in this match is that there is nothing in this pitch for the seamers - and Giles isn't going to cause many problems.

I've not seen Lee or McGrath swing it so the England fast bowlers are going to have to rely on pace and bounce. That renders Hoggard and Colllingwood pretty much ineffective so a lot will depend on Flintoff but especially Harmison, who hasn't really played at all well this summer.

I can see Australia piling up a big total in their first innings, we need at least 350 to be competitive and at 145-4 - that's looking improbable.

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Channel 4 just switched their converage to horse racing, for the meeting in Doncaster.

Fucking horse racing!!! :@ :@

dunno we said the same thing in the last test it had no swing and look what Hoggard and jones did when australia came out to bat!! they got it to swing

Maybe the showers forecast for tomorrow and Saturday will help the conditions for the seamers so Hoggard, at least, will be able to get some swing. I can't see Collingwood bowling more than 8 overs per innings anyhow.

Flintoff and Harmison may prefer for the pitch to remain bone dry, so it's swings and roundabouts.

warne shoulder problems and Mcgrath doesn't look fit