Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by j2k4
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Originally Posted by vidcc
Oh... did they all volunteer to fight in Iraq then? Soldiers volunteer to defend their country, that doesn't mean that they all believe every war is just.
I think this will do.
This could be fun, too, as I see it offers many opportunities for selective parsing and shading.
When you sign up, you are obligated to fight, whenever and wherever, or you go to the stockade to await your date with a tribunal.
Yes now please show me where i siad they are not obligated. There is no parsing but on your part here.
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It says Soldiers volunteer to defend their country
Then that doesn't mean that they all believe every war is just.
At no point did it say thay they will refuse to fight or that they feel they are not obligated to fight any war they don't agree with.....you said that not I.
better add this in case you feel i select just parts :
Oh... did they all volunteer to fight in Iraq then?
People join up for many reasons that doesn't mean that they all believe every war is just. not all believe the Iraq war is the kind of war they should be fighting "to defend their country". In other words they feel that Iraq war not a war of need but of political choice etc.
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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Cindy Sheehan was arrested Tuesday in the House gallery after refusing to cover up a T-shirt bearing an anti-war slogan before President Bush's State of the Union address.
the T-shirt said, "2,245 Dead. How many more?" -- a reference to the number of U.S. troops killed in Iraq.
When the president is giving a speech and includes a message that "we are fighting the enemies of freedom" why was she not allowed to wear this "statement"?
I will add that I'm not sure if there is a rule barring all political messages so it may be the case that if she was wearing a "we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" slogan then she would have suffered the same treatment, however to me this smacks of censorship.
She was not standing up and shouting, she was not causing a disturbance.
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Apparently the wife of congressman young was asked to leave because she was wearing a "support our troops" t.shirt. So there isn't a bias.
Obviously you didn't watch the state of the union address, because she was standing up and shouting the moment President Bush was introduced - she couldn't even wait for for his full introduction. When watching, I didn't even see him walking out because the camera moved over to her. Might want to check your facts. :dry:
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the war and support of the troops
sheehan supports the troops in her way by making sure we know how many died (I don't get how one can support the war and wish to hide such costs) and by campaigning to get them out of harms way. You may not agree with how she supports them but she is not anti troops. In this she stood on principle and refused to cover her shirt or leave.
the other claimed to support the troops and the war but didn't think it worth making a stand.
Be sure to ask the next male/female troop that you meet whether they agree with Sheehan's "support".
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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Originally Posted by JPaul
That's just silly and hopefully you know it.
You join the Army, you go where your told, everyone knows that before they join.
As with Kev please point to where I said They don't have to go where they are told.
Where you say they didn't volunteer to fight in Iraq. By any reading that implies that they have some say when they volunteer, rather than it being unconditional.
Oh and they don't voulnteer to defend their country, they volunteer to fight on it's behalf.
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by Skizo
Obviously you didn't watch the state of the union address, because she was standing up and shouting the moment President Bush was introduced - she couldn't even wait for for his full introduction. When watching, I didn't even see him walking out because the camera moved over to her. Might want to check your facts. :dry:
Funny even Limbargh hasn't gone with this..... perhaps this might have been because she was arrested before the speech. Also she made the noise ( this is information after the original post) when she was being challenged by the capitol police, not before.
BTW I did watch it and I didn't see her
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Be sure to ask the next male/female troop that you meet whether they agree with Sheehan's "support"
I know a few personally, some agree some don't...what's your point?
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by vidcc
As with Kev please point to where I said They don't have to go where they are told.
Where you say they didn't volunteer to fight in Iraq. By any reading that implies that they have some say when they volunteer, rather than it being unconditional.
well I made it clear for those that chose to put their own meaning to what I actually wrote
Oh and they don't voulnteer to defend their country, they volunteer to fight on it's behalf.
snooze
actually they sign up to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by vidcc
BTW I did watch it and I didn't see her
'nuff said.
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I know a few personally, some agre some don't...what's your point?
My point is simple. 99% of troops don't care for her to say it lightly. When the troops don't think it's support, it's not support.
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by Skizo
My point is simple. 99% of troops don't care for her to say it lightly. When the troops don't think it's support, it's not support.
WHere did you get that figure? Ken melman, dick cheney, karl rove...... or some other well know truth economist? :rolleyes:
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by vidcc
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Originally Posted by JPaul
Where you say they didn't volunteer to fight in Iraq. By any reading that implies that they have some say when they volunteer, rather than it being unconditional.
well I made it clear for those that chose to put their own meaning to what I actually wrote
The important thing in communication is what people understand you to have said, not what you thought you said.
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by vidcc
actually they sign up to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
By doing what they are told by their Commander in Chief.
Re: What's so "free" about this
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by vidcc
actually they sign up to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
By doing what they are told by their Commander in Chief.
Show me where I disputed that
