God v No God

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Originally Posted by ilw

for the record something can be created spontaneously from nothing and by nothing e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_polarization
but thats a gay argument. the last sentence was a last minute edit which i didn't even think through, so i'm not bothered that its a bit inconsistent and that i didn't choose my words carefully

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Shame too, since it was the only bit you did write, given you said the rest was from wiki.

Anyway, just so long as you know what you meant, who cares what its intended audience thinks, eh.

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Originally Posted by manker

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Originally Posted by ilw

for the record something can be created spontaneously from nothing and by nothing e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_polarization
but thats a gay argument. the last sentence was a last minute edit which i didn't even think through, so i'm not bothered that its a bit inconsistent and that i didn't choose my words carefully

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Shame too, since it was the only bit you did write, given you said the rest was from wiki.

Anyway, just so long as you know what you meant, who cares what its intended audience thinks, eh.

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Stop being me, that's the only thing I'm actually good at.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

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Originally Posted by manker

Shame too, since it was the only bit you did write, given you said the rest was from wiki.

Anyway, just so long as you know what you meant, who cares what its intended audience thinks, eh.

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Stop being me, that's the only thing I'm actually good at.

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Fuck Sake, I think I may be the main charcter in cyber fight club.

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http://www.heykoop.nl/200510071817.jpg

Did I post that.

I am more inclined to believe that there was/is an intelligent being that always has been in existence than a rock and what makes up that rock.

When some question who created the creator, it makes more sense to me that the creator was this starting point and not some particles popped in by.....no one.:ermm:

To go further, the fact that physical rules govern what goes on in the natural world had to have a starting point other than "that's just how it is."

Not to say that a creator wrote in a rule book, "Gravity acceleration on Earth = 9.8 m/s" but the initial physical laws that made it end up that way (for the time being) had to be started by an intelligent being, imo.

As a tangent, I believe none of this (besides gravity of course) should be taught in science class. It does not and cannot advance science, only philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Busyman™

I am more inclined to believe that there was/is an intelligent being that always has been in existence than a rock and what makes up that rock.

When some question who created the creator, it makes more sense to me that the creator was this starting point and not some particles popped in by.....no one.:ermm:

To go further, the fact that physical rules govern what goes on in the natural world had to have a starting point other than "that's just how it is."

Not to say that a creator wrote in a rule book, "Gravity acceleration on Earth = 9.8 m/s" but the initial physical laws that made it end up that way (for the time being) had to be started by an intelligent being, imo.

As a tangent, I believe none of this (besides gravity of course) should be taught in science class. It does not and cannot advance science, only philosophy.

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but what was there before this intelligent being?

the fact is, the concept of the beginning (and the limits) of the universe are inconceivable.

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

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Originally Posted by Busyman™

I am more inclined to believe that there was/is an intelligent being that always has been in existence than a rock and what makes up that rock.

When some question who created the creator, it makes more sense to me that the creator was this starting point and not some particles popped in by.....no one.:ermm:

To go further, the fact that physical rules govern what goes on in the natural world had to have a starting point other than "that's just how it is."

Not to say that a creator wrote in a rule book, "Gravity acceleration on Earth = 9.8 m/s" but the initial physical laws that made it end up that way (for the time being) had to be started by an intelligent being, imo.

As a tangent, I believe none of this (besides gravity of course) should be taught in science class. It does not and cannot advance science, only philosophy.

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but what was there before this intelligent being?

the fact is, the concept of the beginning (and the limits) of the universe are inconceivable.

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There was nothing before this being.

The being has been around forever and will be.

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Originally Posted by Seedler

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

but what was there before this intelligent being?

the fact is, the concept of the beginning (and the limits) of the universe are inconceivable.

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There was nothing before this being.

The being has been around forever and will be.

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My point is that you can't comprehend anything before this being, there must have been something, if not, why did it take this being so long to create the universe, and what was there before the universe was created? As I said, it's an inconceivable idea.

I think (been a while since I studied philosophy:wacko: ) it was Plato who said everything must have a beginning and an end.

edit: Also, where does this being exist, because if it created the universe, it must have to be somehwere outside the universe.

Sorry, I just checked that Plato thing.
According to Plato, everything in the Universe had to have sprung from some initial principle, which must, by definition, have been something capable of springing into motion by itself.
If that is the case, what was there before this initial principle? There cannot have just been nothingness, as nothingness itself is something.