Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
no_bother
Why dont we get a veteran anti-traders group?
you know why i don't like the term "anti-trader", because it's used from the trading perspective. it implicates that the majority are traders and you as a minority are against it.
it's normal not to trade. you don't have to be labeled "anti", because you don't do it.
nobody would call you an anti-rapist, anti-racist, anti-thief, anti-criminal, anti-torturer unless you are a small counterpart amongst them.
the term anti usually describes being against something that is common practice.
if i was a member of a cheating forum and stood up against cheaters there, they would most definitely label me an anti-cheater for example. if i told people in a smoker lounge how bad smoking is, they'd call me anti-smoker.
it would be the same when you call a soldier an anti-pacifist, someone who enjoys a steak an anti-vegetarian,
on fst it's the traders who are the minority. they're the ones who are abnormal.
they are anti. anti-tracker rules, anti-respect for the inviter, anti-community.
the term anti-trader always comes from the trading point of view.
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Polarbear
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Originally Posted by
no_bother
Why dont we get a veteran anti-traders group?
you know why i don't like the term "anti-trader", because it's used from the trading perspective. it implicates that the majority are traders and you as a minority are against it.
it's normal
not to trade. you don't have to be labeled "anti", because you don't do it.
nobody would call you an anti-rapist, anti-racist, anti-thief, anti-criminal, anti-torturer unless you are a small counterpart amongst them.
the term anti usually describes being against something that is common practice.
if i was a member of a cheating forum and stood up against cheaters there, they would most definitely label me an anti-cheater for example. if i told people in a smoker lounge how bad smoking is, they'd call me anti-smoker.
it would be the same when you call a soldier an anti-pacifist, someone who enjoys a steak an anti-vegetarian,
on fst it's the traders who are the minority. they're the ones who are abnormal.
they are anti. anti-tracker rules, anti-respect for the inviter, anti-community.
the term anti-trader always comes from the trading point of view.
Ask skiz or detale where 70% of this sites traffic is....
Majority are traders ;)
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Detale
It's not that complicated at all. FST is not a tracker and we have our own set of rules. Not "go by the rules you like", Follow the tracker rules. We abbreviate Tracker site names as a courtesy not as a means of security. "rape and pillage"? A bit strong no? Why not get your facts a little clearer before posting obvious propaganda ;)
Uhmmm.... how is this propaganda??... its facts, anyone who's been here a while knows this.. I think PBs terms rape and pillage just about sums up adequately the goings on here when it comes to trade.. also.. your statements are a bit misleading Detale.. you say follow tracker rules... but yet, you and other staff as well as countless "OTHERS" have stated time and time again, that tracker rules don't apply here here at FST... :whistling
so which is it? follow tracker rules..??? or follow fst rules...??? which fst rules are "go by the rules you like" more or less.. :dry:
you folks need to make a decision on what you tell folks .. cause i find this a being a double standard.. :frusty:
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Originally Posted by
Detale
As long as you stipulate in the giveaway that the invite is not ever to be traded you are protected
by whom...? :ermm:
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Originally Posted by
Detale
Ultimatly YOU are responsable for who you invite and no one else. We cannot police the internet by upholding the rules of every tracker out there.
maybe not Detale, but you can start by not waving the welcome flag for all traders to follow..
heh.. i though dupe accounts we not allowed here...??? oh wait, yeah silly me.. that other account must be his "TRADERS" account... in that case leave him alone Detale.. he's a good old boy! :sick:
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Polarbear
...by stating solid facts.
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Originally Posted by
Detale
As long as you stipulate in the giveaway that the invite is not ever to be traded you are protected.
in what way?
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Originally Posted by
Detale
Ultimatly YOU are responsable for who you invite and no one else.
... unless you are a trader, because then fst will take the responsibility by making sure the "dishonest" ones get disabled.
simple question: i make a giveaway and demand that the account is not to be traded on fst. the invitee is trying to trade it nevertheless. what will happen to him?
Solid facts? Not exactly. The thing is that if they clearly say in a trade that the invite is not to be "re-traded" and then they do they will usually be disabled for not keeping up their end of the agreement.
LOL Even traders are responsible for whom they invite PB, and Yes a dishonest trader will be disabled.
As I said if you made a trade or even a giveaway and stipulated that it was not to be re-traded and the person did this to you you could report then and they would most likely be disabled at least thats they way I would go on it. Way back when I was a nubby little trader it happened to me and I lost some invites and accts, shit I think I may have even traded a FSC invite at one time.
As far as you taking a swipe at us Why? Well obviously I know why but I guess what I'm saying is why do you have your balls twisted now? Did someone piss in your cereal again PB??
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Originally Posted by
jasperr
Uhmmm.... how is this propaganda??... its facts, anyone who's been here a while knows this.. I think PBs terms rape and pillage just about sums up adequately the goings on here when it comes to trade.. also.. your statements are a bit misleading Detale.. you say follow tracker rules... but yet, you and other staff as well as countless "OTHERS" have stated time and time again, that tracker rules don't apply here here at FST... :whistling
so which is it? follow tracker rules..??? or follow fst rules...??? which fst rules are "go by the rules you like" more or less.. :dry:
you folks need to make a decision on what you tell folks .. cause i find this a being a double standard.. :frusty:
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Originally Posted by
Detale
As long as you stipulate in the giveaway that the invite is not ever to be traded you are protected
by whom...? :ermm:
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Originally Posted by
Detale
Ultimatly YOU are responsable for who you invite and no one else. We cannot police the internet by upholding the rules of every tracker out there.
maybe not Detale, but you can start by not waving the welcome flag for all traders to follow..
heh.. i though dupe accounts we not allowed here...??? oh wait, yeah silly me.. that other account must be his "TRADERS" account... in that case leave him alone Detale.. he's a good old boy! :sick:
WOW where to start with this one. Ok well I do think rape and pillage is an extremely strong term to describe this. Again when I was a nuub tarder (not a typo)I only traded to become a member not to DL as much as I could and pillage the site. I just wanted to be a member and I didn't know any other way. It is propaganda saying these things with NO PROOF these are only opinions not facts, trying to change peoples ideas. You said "anyone who's been here long enough" well I've been here longer than you and I'm still not 100% convinced. There are great arguments on both sides none of which I care to rehash as I've had my fill of debate this month. But the FACT here is that these are his opinions not facts.
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Detale.. you say follow tracker rules... but yet, you and other staff as well as countless "OTHERS" have stated time and time again, that tracker rules don't apply here here at FST... :whistling
Tracker rules do not apply when site staff quote them to us asking us to do something that is against our rules we may choose to help them but we are by no means obligated to do so. Tracker rules apply to the members of said tracker, again it's not rocket science man.
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so which is it? follow tracker rules..??? or follow fst rules...??? which fst rules are "go by the rules you like" more or less.. :dry:
you folks need to make a decision on what you tell folks .. cause i find this a being a double standard.
LOL OK follow both sets of rules. Follow the trackers rules or there could be consequences from that trackers staff. Follow FST rules or there could be consequences from FST staff. What don't you get? The rules don't go against one another. We leave it up to the members here to trade or not. If they trade and get caught that's it, don't come crying to us about it. Also it seems to me you're kind of telling us how to run our site by saying "you folks need to make a decision on what you tell folks" we don't NEED to do a god damn thing. It is posted but the sad fact is many people don't read it or don't care. You will notice I have never once told any staff member how to run their site as I firmly believe it's their site their rules even if I don't like it or agree with them.
So many site staff blame FST for trading but the truth is that trading will exist with or without FST. If it were not true then we would be the only place you could trade an invite on all of the interwebs and since that is FAR from the case here. WE are not to blame, you know who to blame? The members of YOUR site who come to trade the invites/accts. Someone has to have an invite in order to trade it right?? Do I agree with trading ? No the fact is I personally don't like the idea of it but I also believe in personal choice.
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As long as you stipulate in the giveaway that the invite is not ever to be traded you are protected
Well maybe protected is the wrong word. I just meant that if you stipulate it before hand then we can disable the guy who does not hold up their end by re-trading.
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heh.. i though dupe accounts we not allowed here...??? oh wait, yeah silly me.. that other account must be his "TRADERS" account... in that case leave him alone Detale.. he's a good old boy! :sick:
Wow you're on a roll today eh? Oddly enough this is one of the rules here I don't agree with. I also don't think proxies should be allowed but thats neither here nor there.
OK yes dupe accts are allowed at FST but only one of those accts is allowed access the BT section as to prevent having one trade and one non trade acct. If anyone is found to be doing this they are usually disabled. FST is bigger than just the BT section you know. This is old news BTW so again research before you post to keep youself from sounding foolish ;)
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Originally Posted by
fatcat69
Ask skiz or detale where 70% of this sites traffic is....
Majority are traders ;)
You chubby little pussy :P
Now in case I haven't said this one enough
I have NO idea how much traffic is in what area nor do I give a shit. I could care less how much or how little the site makes as I get none of it.
Now FC if I don't know how the hell would you know? I can say the majority are not traders as we have tonse of people here who don't even go into the BT section at all anymore. FST is not just a BT forum. I do this because I believe in FST and I genuinely want to help people enjoy this hobby of ours. Lets remember guys it IS a hobby not a lifestyle.
SIDE NOTE: I have a splitting headache and have been working on this post for a while now. if I missed a point or something makes no sense I'll fix it tomorrow.
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Albo Da Kid
We should have a special section dedicated to coaching beginners for their first 30 days. A section where good members hang out only. Like an Anti_trading Group section you know what I mean??
Once they get their first star then they can go to the request section knowing what to expect.
http://www.ucscfootball.com/lol.JPG
the best post on the thread so far, and i've read them all carefully. i guess you will all soon know why it is like that.
must... refrain... don't start typing...
i wanted to write a long post about this thread, with some nice lulz pics, but it's too late here, past 7am, and i'm tired...
but, i'll be back at this thread later. kisses for the girls. hugs for the boys.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Fm0WUXzm-z...Bbe%2Bback.jpg
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Cabalo
LOL...even the sharks are laughing. ATG ftw. Only Trustworthy torrenters and Anti_traders can get in...:lol:
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Detale
The thing is that if they clearly say in a trade that the invite is not to be "re-traded" and then they do they will usually be disabled for not keeping up their end of the agreement.
that only underlines what i said. traders are protected.
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Originally Posted by
Detale
As I said if you made a trade or even a giveaway and stipulated that it was not to be re-traded and the person did this to you you could report then and they would most likely be disabled at least thats they way I would go on it.
i was talking about giveaways. again my question: when somebody gives away an invite and states that the account is not to be traded on fst. will there be consequences for the invitee if he does so regardless. can he be reported and will he be punished according to fst rules (not what you would do)? yes or no?
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Originally Posted by
Detale
As far as you taking a swipe at us Why? Well obviously I know why but I guess what I'm saying is why do you have your balls twisted now? Did someone piss in your cereal again PB??
when you discuss with me, please keep the argument on a factual level. don't become personal.
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Polarbear
the following may sound obvious to many, but is something that newcomers aren't aware of too often.
when you give a free invite to help someone on fst, here's what can happen:
the person you invited may open a trade thread and trade his new account for something else just hours after he created it. you will end up with a trader in your invite tree, who you never wanted to invite. a complete different person, a stranger, a cheater, just anyone. keep in mind that on most trackers you're responsible for the person you invite.
your invitee can also give away the account to someone else, which has the same result.
now you might say: wait a minute, that's pretty lame. is there something that fst is gonna do about that?
answer: no, this behaviour is perfectly fine with fst rules. there's nothing that can be done about it.
in fact quite the contrary. the trader wo misuses the account you provided him with will be protected and supported. fst offers middlemen for his deal to make sure everything goes smoothly and he gets what he wants.
on top when his deals go wrong, he (unlike you) can report his trade partner for being a scammer and fst will punish him according to the rules. fst rules protect betrayed traders, but they do not protect you. happy times for the trader, tough luck for you.
please keep this in mind the next time you're going to invite somebody on fst.
why dont you complete your nice advices by :
-you have to know giveaway invites in public forum (like here at FST ) is againts the tracker rules , read rules and FAQ (of 99% of trackers) , and i think its the most important advice they should know ;)
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Polarbear
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Originally Posted by
Detale
As far as you taking a swipe at us Why? Well obviously I know why but I guess what I'm saying is why do you have your balls twisted now? Did someone piss in your cereal again PB??
when you discuss with me, please keep the argument on a factual level. don't become personal.
Yea Detale. PolarBear is not what you think he is. He's a good user and a Trustworthy torrenter. This is why I suggested an ATG section earlier. For dedicated users like me and PB. Look here if you don't believe me:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9908/71974185xt0.jpgLuL
Re: some information for newcomers about giveaways
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Originally Posted by
Albo Da Kid
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Originally Posted by
Polarbear
when you discuss with me, please keep the argument on a factual level. don't become personal.
Yea Detale. PolarBear is not what you think he is. He's a good user and a Trustworthy torrenter. This is why I suggested an ATG section earlier. For dedicated users like me and PB. Look here if you don't believe me:
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9908/71974185xt0.jpgLuL
:glag:
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Originally Posted by
predateur
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Originally Posted by
Polarbear
the following may sound obvious to many, but is something that newcomers aren't aware of too often.
when you give a free invite to help someone on fst, here's what can happen:
the person you invited may open a trade thread and trade his new account for something else just hours after he created it. you will end up with a trader in your invite tree, who you never wanted to invite. a complete different person, a stranger, a cheater, just anyone. keep in mind that on most trackers you're responsible for the person you invite.
your invitee can also give away the account to someone else, which has the same result.
now you might say: wait a minute, that's pretty lame. is there something that fst is gonna do about that?
answer: no, this behaviour is perfectly fine with fst rules. there's nothing that can be done about it.
in fact quite the contrary. the trader wo misuses the account you provided him with will be protected and supported. fst offers middlemen for his deal to make sure everything goes smoothly and he gets what he wants.
on top when his deals go wrong, he (unlike you) can report his trade partner for being a scammer and fst will punish him according to the rules. fst rules protect betrayed traders, but they do not protect you. happy times for the trader, tough luck for you.
please keep this in mind the next time you're going to invite somebody on fst.
why dont you complete your nice advices by :
-you have to know giveaway invites in public forum (like here at FST ) is againts the tracker rules , read rules and FAQ (of 99% of trackers) , and i think its the most important advice they should know ;)
this is one of the rare occasions i tend to agree with you.
