Direct Downloads vs Newsgroups

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Originally Posted by Sonnentier

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Originally Posted by beansis

Well I probably wont upload anything until I get an actual newsprovider with SSL

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How does SSL protect you from legal action? I doubt they wiretap you, would rather demand information from the newsprovider.

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It's just one less "dibby dobber" to worry about. Let me put it simple:

If I go to the shop, when I should be a work and talk to a few people along the way that's not SSL, but if I just go straight to the shop that is SSL :wacko:

I don't this a Usenet provider will give out personal information so easily :shutup:

Wait so are you guys saying that if I use JBin Up
I dont need to have an usenet provider that offers SSL encryption to actually upload using an SSL encrypted connection??? That doesn't sound right, especially since all I have is free ipv6

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Originally Posted by beansis

Wait so are you guys saying that if I use JBin Up
I dont need to have an usenet provider that offers SSL encryption to actually upload using an SSL encrypted connection??? That doesn't sound right, especially since all I have is free ipv6

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If you want to upload, I'd suggest getting a non-expiring block acct (with SSL) from somewhere like usenetnews (cheapest is 2gb for $2), and use that just for uploading. It will never expire and you can upload as much as you want. Also, in the rare even your posts are flagged for takedown or something and usenetnews wants to take "action" all you will lose is the block acct. You can then go get another from somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by EyeBaller

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Originally Posted by beansis

Wait so are you guys saying that if I use JBin Up
I dont need to have an usenet provider that offers SSL encryption to actually upload using an SSL encrypted connection??? That doesn't sound right, especially since all I have is free ipv6

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If you want to upload, I'd suggest getting a non-expiring block acct (with SSL) from somewhere like usenetnews (cheapest is 2gb for $2), and use that just for uploading. It will never expire and you can upload as much as you want. Also, in the rare even your posts are flagged for takedown or something and usenetnews wants to take "action" all you will lose is the block acct. You can then go get another from somewhere else.

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Sounds like a good idea. . .:shifty:

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

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Originally Posted by AdamRav

Only downside is that the retention is only 7 days.

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Ouch, honestly it's probably worth switching ISP's or buying for the service. My ISP (not in the UK) offers a 'Premium' usage from Astraweb of which the retention is at its highest.

Previously they had the option to chose between Astraweb and Giganews :w00t:

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I aint saying anything bad about the service

They are the best in the UK in my opinion

and i think no other ISP in the UK offer free usenet access

This is what they offer

-Unlimited Usage
-50 Connections

No SSL though!!!!

I pay AstraWeb for the service

Im on the UNLIMITED DSL Plan for 11$ a month

With my line i can download 30gb in a night so you do the math
So well worth the money in my opinion

i must admit that directdownloads has it all,but you must be
member of various forums to find stuff and if you dont have premium
accounts its takes time to leech even if you use jdownloader.
usenet is good for top 50 tv shows and its easy to search.

uploading: If you look in the right places you can get away without uploading anything.

security: Dunno, my guess is DDL since you dont pay them or leave any personal info.

downloading: DDLs require wait times and captchas and the speeds are usually capped to prevent abuse. usenet is always fast.

ease of use: Jdownloader is great for DDLs like RS and makes it simple, clicking around the web pages is not as fun. NZB requires a tiny bit more initial setup but works great and automatically after.

expense: Downloading NZBs will always cost a little money to get it done fast and uncapped.

content: Cant tell, they both offer tonnes of stuff.

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Originally Posted by ploopsy

uploading: If you look in the right places you can get away without uploading anything.

security: Dunno, my guess is DDL since you dont pay them or leave any personal info.

downloading: DDLs require wait times and captchas and the speeds are usually capped to prevent abuse. usenet is always fast.

ease of use: Jdownloader is great for DDLs like RS and makes it simple, clicking around the web pages is not as fun. NZB requires a tiny bit more initial setup but works great and automatically after.

expense: Downloading NZBs will always cost a little money to get it done fast and uncapped.

content: Cant tell, they both offer tonnes of stuff.

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How do you figure DDL is more secrue? Rapidshare has a pending case aganist it, and is also giving uploader (and probably downloader) info over to authorities.

News provides offer more security, the only way anyone is going to say anything is if the ISP subponeas the info...News providers fall under the "Common Carrier" law, just like a phone company isn't liable, and can't be shut down.

Content wise: I favor forums for older/obscure content(and especially music). In my opinion there's really no comparison between the two for the harder to find stuff. But...ng's is the better method for new content. You'll find the files on indexers pretty much immediately after pre. On forums you can be waiting quite a while.

As for security: I feel very secure downloading with either method.
And expense: Both cost money(if you want the full benefits out of each method) but both are cheap.

Uploading: I really can't say since I haven't upped to ng's yet. But uploading to filehosters are easy. It's just a pain when you have a slow upload speed and wanting to up anything over a gb or two.

So for me it's pretty much a toss up between the two. I use both methods and love them both. I use forums for music and anything older, and newsgroups for new and big files(season packs, etc).

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Originally Posted by SonsOfLiberty

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Originally Posted by ploopsy

uploading: If you look in the right places you can get away without uploading anything.

security: Dunno, my guess is DDL since you dont pay them or leave any personal info.

downloading: DDLs require wait times and captchas and the speeds are usually capped to prevent abuse. usenet is always fast.

ease of use: Jdownloader is great for DDLs like RS and makes it simple, clicking around the web pages is not as fun. NZB requires a tiny bit more initial setup but works great and automatically after.

expense: Downloading NZBs will always cost a little money to get it done fast and uncapped.

content: Cant tell, they both offer tonnes of stuff.

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How do you figure DDL is more secrue? Rapidshare has a pending case aganist it, and is also giving uploader (and probably downloader) info over to authorities.

News provides offer more security, the only way anyone is going to say anything is if the ISP subponeas the info...News providers fall under the "Common Carrier" law, just like a phone company isn't liable, and can't be shut down.

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Good point i did not think of that. As I am more of a leech I never thought about how unsafe uploading to rs may be.