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Originally Posted by Tv Controls you

dvdasacd you are one to easily critique every tacker and say your not content with mediocrity.
I think you should get some experience in running a tracker to really understand the responsibility and dedication it takes to make it all happen.

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I know I'm always so critical, it's my nature...I may go overboard with it sometimes...and I fear it sometimes comes across as arrogant :unsure:...just don't get me wrong, there are LOTS of GREAT trackers out there. Including new ones, too.....with BTN, I quietly thought at first it was going to be a waste of time (for a certain reason I won't say, but some people might be able to guess), but then within a few days it turned around into me LOVING the place and thinking it's well on the way to being the best TV tracker out there. On sheer awesomeness in pretty much every way. Now I'm using the phrase "it's like the BTN of <insert niche here>."

So no it's not some automatic critique of new sites, or sites in general...there's a ton of great trackers out there. And I also recognise that a tracker's not all about looking amazing, or having unique content or even a _lot_ of content (or good pretimes etc). Most "good" trackers out there (in my view) actually don't have a lot of those traits - but they might have a loyal community that continues to go there everyday, for whatever reason(s). And that's enough for it to be a good tracker.

But there's 1000% more fail trackers out there too. You see these sites come and go and after time it's not hard to predict, with pretty good accuracy, whether something's going to fail or not. And fail doesn't have to mean closing down...if the owner has money to keep hosting the site it'll just be a ghost-town as long as he keeps paying for it...several sites are like that. And they are failsites to me.

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Also the fact that you weren't a member of FTWR drops all credibility for your posts, as you have no idea how the tracker was ran.
The only thing you know about is how it went under.

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Credibility is up to you to decide, FST allows free speech which is great. If you don't care what I say then it doesn't matter to you. Also, I might be wrong, for all you think. Perhaps you've expressed that, and that's fine with me. :cool: I'll still be a loudmouth though :P

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

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Originally Posted by pro267

Also, to comment on a previous post, while filesharing in Canada is legal, running a tracker is not.

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You'd have to find what whatman has said (maybe in his what.cd 2nd anniversary interview). He's sent emails back to rights holders saying there's nothing he's going to do about their complaint because it's not illegal where the site is hosted. It's some technicality - in how the torrent files are stored (or not stored, actually) on the server. i think.

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July '08 ruling in Canadian court, forcing the shut down of Quebec Torrent:
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/ca...c-torrent-site

I rest my case.

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Originally Posted by pro267

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

You'd have to find what whatman has said (maybe in his what.cd 2nd anniversary interview). He's sent emails back to rights holders saying there's nothing he's going to do about their complaint because it's not illegal where the site is hosted. It's some technicality - in how the torrent files are stored (or not stored, actually) on the server. i think.

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July '08 ruling in Canadian court, forcing the shut down of Quebec Torrent:
http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/ca...c-torrent-site

I rest my case.

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Yes but were they hosting torrent files on their server? It's all in the technicalities, by the looks of things...legal matters always are.

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

You're the one who I think I can detect some anger (at FTWR's demise) in. Am i right? From your first post, it sounded really bitter. Thing is, i don't have anything wrong with that, we're all human beings, not vulcans, my only problem was you shifting the primary blame from what the real cause was. See I think it important for people to know, and for others to learn from it - I'm motivated by the desire to run a tracker well, and to see others to do the same. This is why I'm so loud-mouthed about what I think are "failsites", too. I'm just sick of them, we should strive for excellence, not be content with mediocrity. In this age of tracker saturation it's a waste of time caring for what's not the best ("best" is subjective but whatever that means to you, apply it). So a skeptical judgement when you see or hear about a new site should be always held, imo.

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There was never any anger on my part, feel free to quote any part where I sound bitter ? I was amazed at the tone of your posts, and your anger (from your first post) at the failure of ftwr. I know the staff well, I know alot more about the demise of ftwr than you, and I also know of the reliability problems with their host which you continually discount. That you were not a member and yet you still have these strong feelings strikes me as odd more than anything else,that isn't exactly a normal attitude.
As I have said you should take up your bafflement and disappointment with the staff of the site, I'm sure they would love to hear from you and your ideas on how to run a torrent site efficiently. Since you weren't a member and don't actually know who staffed this may be a problem but I am sure that if you wish to pm me I can give you their details, as I would actually enjoy watching that conversation.

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Originally Posted by Artemis

That you were not a member and yet you still have these strong feelings strikes me as odd more than anything else,that isn't exactly a normal attitude.

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Well that doesn't matter, does it (and neither does all the previous stuff in that paragraph which I don't need to quote)...that's a side criticism which I don't care about. All I care(d?) about in this thread is the logical argument we had. Which in the end, you more or less agreed with me in.

But now, I feel you're taking this little back and forth to a personal level (i.e., criticising me on a personal level when now we've finished our initial "debate" about who was primarily responsible for FTWR's demise) which is sad (IF I'M RIGHT, but I seem to be wrong in all my impressions of what you're feeling), because I'm certainly not taking it to a personal level. I haven't resorted to sarcasm like you now have. Emotive tone, yeah sure, but not sarcasm which is an indicator of strong negative personal attitude towards whoever you're directing the sarcasm.

See when I'm wrong in something (a logical debate (where it is NOT a matter of opinion but facts and logical reasoning), a personal decision, something I did or said to somebody), and realise that I was wrong, I am quick to admit it or apoligize or do whatever the appropriate action that's due. I've done it many a time and at many a place. Once again it's called humble pie. Just saying that as a general comment...

In any case, I've enjoyed this back and forth, as from my impressions of you (I've only ever known you from here) I've always thought of you as an intelligent dude with a good sense of humor too, and this back and forth hasn't changed that. In fact if it was some idiot or troll I wouldn't have bothered with the debate.

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As I have said you should take up your bafflement and disappointment with the staff of the site, I'm sure they would love to hear from you and your ideas on how to run a torrent site efficiently. Since you weren't a member and don't actually know who staffed this may be a problem but I am sure that if you wish to pm me I can give you their details, as I would actually enjoy watching that conversation.

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I have no point to take up my bafflement (n.b. I am NOT "disappointed" at FTWR's staff, only baffled as to why its reason had to happen in the first place) with them directly, why would I do that? My mind is already made up on the issue, there would be no point. You're welcome to link them to this thread if you think it important for them to read it, though. And I can be reached on most of the popular IRCs (p2p-net, what-network) under this very name.

Are you indicating that I might be some sort of chicken, fine with saying it here, but not to their face directly? I don't feel I need to prove I have "balls" to go to FTWR staff and share with them what is in my opinion, and as I have posted above, their catastrophic stupidity. I'm not a proud person, I'm not one to give in to some sort of vain purpose like that. If I were a close friend of theirs though, and would be talking to them on a regular basis already, I would give them a piece of my mind no less than I am declaring on this public thread right now. In that case, and especially if I were a previously "invested" FTWR member, I WOULD be angry....and at them. Furious, in fact. And disappointed. And then a little numb/stale. But hey it's just a torrent site, all good things must come to an end, you've got to move on when that happens, and I would have done that too, in time.

However if you paid me to do it I might :P. I could use some extra cash.....

My only hope (and guess), just for sanity's sake, is that they've changed their view on taking off-side backups for any other sites they're involved in, LOL. HDD failure is something you should *expect*, not something to be viewed as outrageous and unfair.

As a final epilogue to this post,
My name is the same everywhere, I speak my mind, I take my chances and and judge what I think won't have any consequences I don't want to happen, and a lot of the time people respect me for it (true respect is two-way). Others on the other hand may again, think I'm arrogant just because of my strong and vocal views, but I'd rather not give up what I believe in than be concerned with what people think of me. Again, that brings respect in itself... And those people who have a problem with that are probably people who I shouldn't bother with anyway.


As another final addendum to my musings.....I used to be so innocent and not think about matters like this, I don't really like seeing myself as my hardened bt identity that I now have (it's a little tiring to watch sometimes). Sometimes, I wish everything could just go back to my soft innocent bt "childhood" - the blissful downloading and uploading on demonoid and tpb, the simple friendships in file sharing that I had...sigh............can't really go back, can you...

funny how people go out of their way just to have the last word. that's what i call misplaced pride.

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Originally Posted by dvdasacd

Well that doesn't matter, does it (and neither does all the previous stuff in that paragraph which I don't need to quote)...that's a side criticism which I don't care about. All I care(d?) about in this thread is the logical argument we had. Which in the end, you more or less agreed with me in.

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Since you don't seem to grasp what I was trying to say when I say it pleasantly I will now be less subtle. The side criticism that you don't care about is my MAIN concern, I actually think you are a bit mental having a tantrum like your first post over a bit torrent site that you were not a member of. This is NOT sarcasm it is actually amazement that someone could get that wound up over a torrent site that they were not a member of.
I was also surprised at your arrogance in your little speech about running a torrent site correctly and that you look around at all the 'fail sites', who does that ? seriously, gloves off, I think your a fruit loop!

Well said artemis, I can't even respond to his posts as they are so ridiculous.

Thats like me saying bing is a terrible search engine, even though I never used it.
You have no experience on the site, nor do you know anything about FTWR.

If you make a tracker even half as reputable as FTWR I can respect your criticism.

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Originally Posted by slickerey

a vps is a slice of a server, so you can basically host a "small" tracker if you're with those guys.

I highly doubt they would say anything about it anyways.

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lol - i couldn't read all that in the last post (i started feeling sleepy) but it was prolly entertaining ass the rest of dvdasacd's responses. Talk about off-topic.