Bratva?

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Originally Posted by stoi

I love this experienced torrent user crap, and you make UK-T sound like the holy grail of torrent sites, ffs it was only a tracker.

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I was mentioning how they functioned,whether you like it or not

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Originally Posted by stoi

and seriously, how long does it take to get experienced in torrenting,takes a week max

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Getting experienced as in knowing how to torrent and knowing seeding back and stuff like that etc takes less than a week but unfortunately I dont see '1 week' experienced member getting invited to some good trackers out there.Why is that?Talking about your own site,how many '1 week' torrenters and 'noobs' get entry there? Why is the invite system so tight? Its a tracker after all right?

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Originally Posted by stoi

Experienced torrenters can be a right pain in the arse

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Experienced members are a pain in the ass because they are not the newbs they were once who were looking to get invited by pleasing people around them.They know better and hence they make opinions.

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Originally Posted by stoi

that tracker does it like this, why cant you do it like that, because we are not them sheesh.

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Maybe its because one of the trackers system is better and people like to see improvements in the tracker they like?

Well from what I heard, they closed down before because they got infiltrated, then they closed down again, because one of their members was selling DVDs and they closed as a precaution, so yes really trustworthy members, all I am saying is, it doesnt matter how small/secure/safe you think a tracker is, there will always be some undesirables get in.

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I was mentioning how they functioned,whether you like it or not

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One word, Oink, as soon he that got busted i think most trackers went underground, We are going to open again soon, but altinertia wants to get the tracker looking nice, and any bugs fixed first.

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Getting experienced as in knowing how to torrent and knowing seeding back and stuff like that etc takes less than a week but unfortunately I dont see '1 week' experienced member getting invited to some good trackers out there.Why is that?Talking about your own site,how many '1 week' torrenters and 'noobs' get entry there? Why is the invite system so tight? Its a tracker after all right?

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I dont mind opinions, i just hate, such and such a tracker does this, why dont you, i dont care what other trackers do, just like i am sure they couldnt give a toss what we do. and that answers both of your quotes.

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

sheesh,completely misunderstood and then kept on ranting.Not everything is to do with levels and rarity you know.There are things called friendship and trust as well.It seems you are more concious of rarity when I didnt even mention something like that.Just curious,are you in the above mentioned trackers?

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Oh please, I understood it perfectly. I wasn't aiming it at you at all, more at the member who was calling backie out for being a UK-T member. That and the fact that people do measure your "success" by how many levels you have under your belt. If nobody did, the TPS Captain forum wouldn't be so lust worthy, THIS forum wouldn't exist, the above comment wouldn't be made, you see what I mean.

Now for a comment aimed at what you said:

As for the friendships/trust, that's a joke too. Maybe given the times it's a bad example, but look at where wall-e got, simply because trackers were happy he isn't screwing them over, or some other sort of that mentality. How many trackers would actually be "friendly" with an ex-trader. Whether you believe it or not, they are getting on his good side, not the other way around.

Let me give you an example that the friendship crap is out of the question: If you so much as requested FTN/FSC/iTS/whatever tracker you were looking for when ScT was going down, you had someone helping you out. I dropped one request for BCG (no offense, stoi) and got about 10 PM's, all ready to send me the referral code (blissful November, before the referral shortage). Coming from me: I don't have that many "friends" in the BT world. Do I talk to people? Yes. Do I joke with people? Yes. Do I trust people? No. For all you care everyone around you could be wearing a mask, and I don't understand "friendship" in online terms. Trust/respect? Perhaps. However, I still get in wherever I want, because some people fancy big numbers.

To answer your last question, I was a member of UK-T for a day (before it went down). I still am a noob.

PS: Sorry if anyone reading this knows me and feels offended that I don't understand an online friendship.

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its new site of torrents.
it is going to work bit like cn, but with no "i'm God" secrecy.

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Wrong

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A Western Samoa Domain that always instills me with confidence. Western Samoa along with Tonga, Tokelau and others basically giveaway the Domains in the hope that the increased internet traffic will generate cashflow.

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Actually a WS domain costs more than a .com, generally thats the way it works with the barely used TLDs. If fuckers didn't take the god damn .com .net .org for bratva and sit on it for 10 yrs hoping it would sell, I would have gotten one of them.

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I doubt it. Backie's all about freedom and (from what I've heard) he'll let you get away with just about anything he wants. He has been in trackers such as UK-T and the likes, but I want to see if they actually have what it takes to run a tracker. It's not an easy task. Having to find traders and ratio cheaters will be the hard part for them, but why does it have to worry us?

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Shit if I run a tracker I ain't gonna be worrying about no god damn traders or cheaters. One single rule "No uploading viruses/malware/adware." is the way I would roll.

To be honest you guys are most likely gonna be disappointed in what goes up on the 1st.

You and me are different

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

That and the fact that people do measure your "success" by how many levels you have under your belt.

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thats not the case in FST.One reason I like this place.also you cant avoid people like that and you should not be hurt as well,they are morons anyway.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

Let me give you an example that the friendship crap is out of the question: If you so much as requested FTN/FSC/iTS/whatever tracker you were looking for when ScT was going down, you had someone helping you out. I dropped one request for BCG (no offense, stoi) and got about 10 PM's, all ready to send me the referral code (blissful November, before the referral shortage).

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You showed them your epeen and some other morons gave you invites.So?How does that make friendship crap?And who told you that friendship is all about invites?

BCG:

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Invites are called referrals and they are given automatically to members that meet the following requirements:

Torrents with a Global Ratio of 1 >= 50
Torrents with an Actual Ratio of 1 >= 25
Torrents with an Actual Ratio of 1.5 >= 10
Torrents with an Actual Ratio of 2 >= 5
Your own uploaded torrents, this encompasses requests filled and own torrents in your table >= 2
Average Seeding Time >= 10 days
Member 6 months
50 gig downloaded

There is also a referral request thread in the forums for which you would need:

- at least a member for 6 months
- no HnRs
- up to 2 "seeded HnRs"
- actual ratio of 0.5 <-- this may be changed sometime depending on the number of requests
- none of your old referrals may be Kitty Litter or worse (banned, etc.).
- not more than 1 orphaned account or unused account (ie. referred someboy into the site and that person doesn't even have a single torrent downloaded)
- 1 referral per month (with special announced days adding up the usual count....like birthdays or whatever)
- not too many warnings in your history <-- This can only be checked by staff
- 25 completed torrents
- Having said thanks on your torrents.
- 10 days average seeding time OR several uploaded torrents
- have at least a few forum posts....so that this request is NOT your first. And those post should be from the month BEFORE this request takes place. -------> changed to at least 30 spread in a good manner, ie. not all from last month or last week when you decided to get referrals via requesting.

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So as long as you are a potential member you can be a member of BCG.And BCG has no hush hush rules so people are free to invite members as well.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

However, I still get in wherever I want, because some people fancy big numbers.

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Dont put fsc on the same boat as others.

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Originally Posted by AbyBeats

You showed them your epeen and some other morons gave you invites.So?How does that make friendship crap?And who told you that friendship is all about invites?

Dont put fsc on the same boat as others.

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You're reading way too deep in my post, when I laid it all out there. I never said friendship is all about invites.

Once you stop trying to misconstrue the meaning of my post, you'll find that in my opinion, "Friendship is crap" simply because of the reasons I outlined above. People invite people based on their ratios, their reputation, where they ask, and what mask they wear. Do some get in based on personality/friendliness? Of course, I would never deny that. But most people wear a mask, act benevolent, act helpful or act in some certain way to get to their ends. Can you deny that? There are a lot more people inviting "friends" based on their seedboxes, rather than on how much of a genuinely pleasant addition they would be to the community they're being invited to. You can't deny that one, either. When I said "friendship is crap" I didn't mean the concept of friendship, rather that the concept that "friendship used as a reason for invitation is crap" simply because you can never actually know the person you are inviting. As seen by recent TPS events, people who were respected everywhere, showed a different side to themselves that nobody knew about.

As for FSC, I'm not going to judge, but I'm going to throw this out simply: As an honest person, I will admit to looking at the screenshots on peekinsi.de and I have (as I already knew I would) seen all the usual names there, Lex/Krycer etc. Now, I'm not jabbing at anyone but were these members invited there because of the "You're such a close friend of mine I want you to be here with me, and enjoy this tracker as much as I do" mentality or were they invited because "Oh man, you're such an active person on **** tracker, I'd love if you showed some activity here." Only their inviters/staff/whoever know, but if you peel back a few layers of honesty, you'll find it's the latter.

PS: I'm not "friendless"; I've occasionally met people that I heartily enjoy speaking to on the torrent scene. Two stick out in mind especially, where I ended up regretting not knowing them in real life/going for drinks etc.

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

friendship used as a reason for invitation is crap

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Now that I agree with.

and I agree with you on the latter as well.there will always be cases like that also."No community is immune to hard core collectors" :P.sorry man I cant even read properly.11:30 here and slee

P.S: Discussions went way of topic.Anyway lets see what Bratva is.lol

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Originally Posted by ringhunter

friendship used as a reason for invitation is crap

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Now that, I disagree with.

Online friendship, perhaps, but not plain old "friendship". I can speak of a handful of my friends who have been invited by me to various trackers, not because of their uber leet ratios/seedboxes/sexual favors, but because they're my friends. To further my point, half of these friends of mine had never belonged to a private tracker, yet alone had any experience with using bittorrent. I had no reason - aside from friendship - to invite them; in fact I took a chance on every one. I put faith in my friends that they could become great members - with my help/guidance - and they haven't let me down. I'm not unwilling to invite people that I have a friendship with, regardless of their status online or what they can bring to the table.

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Shit if I run a tracker I ain't gonna be worrying about no god damn traders or cheaters. One single rule "No uploading viruses/malware/adware." is the way I would roll.

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Not trying to tell you how to run a tracker, and th trader argument i can understand, but not going after cheaters at all will just end in disaster.

If I am a honest member, why would i upload on a torrent, if most others that are downloading it/seeding it are cheating their ratio.

If I am an uploader, likewise, why should i waste my upload if most of the downloaders are cheating.

Cheating doesnt just get them a higher ratio you know, it totally slows swarms down (because they dont upload), and because they cheated, they hit and run, so torrents wont last 2 minutes.

Basically you will have a few seeders, and loads of leechers, ut thats not because you are popular, its because most seeders are cheating.

It will come to a point, where the torrents just grind to a halt, the seeding cheaters will not be uploading to the cheaters that are downloading lol maybe it will be a good lesson to them though, and show that cheating does harm trackers, and they only do it so they dont have to seed properly, and for e-penis.

At least put the scare factor in, even if you do nothing about it, but peronally, if you flaunt that you dont give a shit about cheaters, i wouldnt go anywhere near your site (as a normal good member, not as another tracker owner, as i wont join anyway, i dont join anywhere else)

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Originally Posted by stoi

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Shit if I run a tracker I ain't gonna be worrying about no god damn traders or cheaters. One single rule "No uploading viruses/malware/adware." is the way I would roll.

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Not trying to tell you how to run a tracker, and th trader argument i can understand, but not going after cheaters at all will just end in disaster.

If I am a honest member, why would i upload on a torrent, if most others that are downloading it/seeding it are cheating their ratio.

If I am an uploader, likewise, why should i waste my upload if most of the downloaders are cheating.

Cheating doesnt just get them a higher ratio you know, it totally slows swarms down (because they dont upload), and because they cheated, they hit and run, so torrents wont last 2 minutes.

Basically you will have a few seeders, and loads of leechers, ut thats not because you are popular, its because most seeders are cheating.

It will come to a point, where the torrents just grind to a halt, the seeding cheaters will not be uploading to the cheaters that are downloading lol maybe it will be a good lesson to them though, and show that cheating does harm trackers, and they only do it so they dont have to seed properly, and for e-penis.

At least put the scare factor in, even if you do nothing about it, but peronally, if you flaunt that you dont give a shit about cheaters, i wouldnt go anywhere near your site (as a normal good member, not as another tracker owner, as i wont join anyway, i dont join anywhere else)

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Well I personally have noticed how fucked up the ratio system is. (Ratioless system on most sites is fucked too.) Basically with the ratio system, you need to have a plus ratio. Problem being for every byte uploaded a byte needs to be downloaded. This results in valuable leech users being banned because they can't upload and sites being full of ratio whores. Attempts to fix that problem with freeleech torrents just results in only torrents that get any movement being the freeleech torrents and everything else getting hardly any.

I personally would go for a different system where faking your upload wouldn't matter.