I don't like Obama's proposal that Israel should return to its pre-1967 borders

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Your next step might be your last.

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Or theirs................

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Originally Posted by whatcdfan

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Originally Posted by j2k4

Your next step might be your last.

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Or theirs................

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Sorry, I don't see an upside.

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Originally Posted by megabyteme

It was the members of the LoN who stopped it, though.

The Palestinians were not active players in the Holocaust, why take their land? Prior to the Settlement, the Palestinians were not terrorists. Granted, wars had been fought hundreds of years prior over that land, but the Jews lost. And lost it way before modern times.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

But the State of Israel cannot exist without a land.

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No group can exist without "a land". :pinch:

Other than Bible prophecy, was there any reason that the Jewish settlement had to be there? Why not resettle the population of homeless in the areas taken by Hitler? For that matter, why not settle them in New Jersey, or Detroit since these people seem to favor living in the most sad, hostile lands?

Move on. You (the Jews) are camping in someone else's back yard, and you have "outstayed" your welcome.

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You said it yourself that the Jews had lost the war over the land, which means they live there again not just because of some Biblical prophecy, but because they regained the land they had lived on during the ancient times. Also, as I said before, there was never an independent Arab state in Palestine, but there was an independent Jewish state in that area during the ancient times. Also, what do you mean by saying that Palestinians were not terrorists "prior to the settlement"? Are you saying that now they have a moral right to be terrorists? Terrorists kill innocent people, so obviously, no one has a "moral right" to be a terrorist. I am not sure I understood your argument about the homeless, so I can't comment on it...
I am not against the creation of a Palestinian state though.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

The League of Nations' actions were not able to prevent the Holocaust. It's obvious that throughout the world history, the Jews suffered more than the Arabs and even though the majority of the Palestinians are probably good people, their leaders are often terrorists.

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I have wondered about this.

If you really were concerned about being killed off from another Holocaust, then why in the world would you concentrate most of your population in a little tiny piece of land where your neighbors hate you and want to kill you?

Wouldn't it make more sense to spread your people all over the world, so if some get killed off in one area, there are still others living in other parts of the world, so your genes will survive into the next generation?


The whole "Holocaust" subject is a bit of touchy subject with some of my Austrian relatives.

I said that I would not comment further on this subject, but you know me.:whistling

Who are/were the Israelites?

Before 1250 B.C. (Before Computers) the Israelites were a nomadic tribe in the area around Jordan.


1250 BC: Israelites began to conquer and settle the land of Canaan on the eastern Mediterranean coast.

We can assume from this that the land originally belonged to the Canaanites (Possibly the modern day Palestinians)and definitely not the Israelites.

The Canaanites are not the modern day Palestinians. The Canaanites became extinct a long time ago.

The only thing wrong with my statement was the spelling of definitely. :rolleyes:

But you can't be right if you think there is a possibility the Canaanites are the modern-day Palestinians.

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Originally Posted by bigboab

The only thing wrong with my statement was the spelling of definitely. :rolleyes:

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Nice deflection.

I counted at least three mis-spellings.:)

Where did they go to? No tribe suddenly becomes extinct without leaving traces. Maybe they are like the Israelites and were dispersed all over the world.