Howard Shipman Found Hanged In Cell

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Originally posted by 1234@14 January 2004 - 12:58
You came into this thread and insulted people, including people affected by his crimes like me. Don't try and pass that blame off to me, just apologise and leave the thread if you can't behave.

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I insulted no one, 1234.

You have the over-developed sensitivity of adopted victimhood.

Regarding your last:

Have you become a mod without my noticing?

First, you pronounce that I am on thin ice ("VERY thin ice", if I remember correctly) then demand I traverse the ice in order to leave so that I might satisfy your pique?

Not bloody likely.

Again, my sincerest thoughts and condolences to the victims and their families.

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I insulted no one, 1234.

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You know this how .... ?

You insulted me, by saying I had a mushy brain. Or are you trying to deny what your wrote? You also used a thread about a mass murderer and his victims to push your political viewpoint and spout insults about imaginary dilemnas.

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You have the over-developed sensitivity of adopted victimhood.

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Adopted victimhood? Ok you just insulted me again. Did you not read my post? I am from one of the towns where he murdered 100's of people, some of whom we suspect are in my family. Who the **** do you think you are talking about "adopted victimhood"? If this conversation was taking place in real life, you'd need a damn ambulance at this point. This wasn't personal before, but you can bet it is now. I will make it my business to ridicule every worthless post you make and, contrary to what I normally do, I will report every post where you insult/belittle/swear or anything else that will get you banned.

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Have you become a mod without my noticing?

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If I had, you'd notice by your inability to post.

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First, you pronounce that I am on thin ice ("VERY thin ice", if I remember correctly) then demand I traverse the ice in order to leave so that I might satisfy your pique?

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Where did I say that in this thread? Of course after your last post I do indeed think that. As for pique, if some idiot such as yourself attempts to belittle other peoples grief and incite people in a thread about a mass murderer then yes people get annoyed.

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Not bloody likely.

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Then you'd better proof read everything you post a few times as I will be checking it to see if I can get you banned. Then I will get your next login banned, and the one after that.

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Again, my sincerest thoughts and condolences to the victims and their families. 

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I accepted your apology last time out of good grace, this time you can shove your incredibly insincere apology and meaningless condolences up the same place you pull your idiotic statistics out of.

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I am not a victim, nor to the best of my knowledge are any of my family or friends, other than the fact that the whole of society suffers when it finds such as him amongst it.

So it probably goes for nothing, but I have not seen you post anything offensive enough for the reactions which your posts appear to have invoked.

I believe I have said this elsewhere (sorry hobbes) it is not for us to judge another mans pain. If people genuinely feel this strongly then it is a matter for them.

However that means they are reacting based on their own emotional response, which for the outsider (like me) may appear dis-proportionate to the words of others.

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So it probably goes for nothing, but I have not seen you post anything offensive enough for the reactions which your posts appear to have invoked.

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So you don't think him saying "the over-developed sensitivity of adopted victimhood" is offensive to people who lost relatives? What is adopted about our victimhood?

You don't like me as we have opposite opinions on most things it appears. Ignore that for a moment and imagine if Dahmer had eaten your relatives, then this piece of refuse says your grief is an adopted affectation. Are you seriously telling me your wouldn't be damn annoyed at his insensitivity and appalling bad taste?

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However that means they are reacting based on their own emotional response, which for the outsider (like me) may appear dis-proportionate to the words of others.

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There is nothing disproportionate about it. He insulted the memory of my lost relatives and the grief my family feels for them.

Although not really wanna interfer let me remind you of these rules here in world events (Rules of engagement) please, don't get personal! and try to respect eachothers opinion without tearing the blood underneath the nails of the other ;)

have fun B)

oh on topic, too bad people (relatives of victims) will never know all now, a sad ending to a big tragedy... for all involved :(

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Originally posted by 1234@14 January 2004 - 21:13

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So it probably goes for nothing, but I have not seen you post anything offensive enough for the reactions which your posts appear to have invoked.

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So you don't think him saying "the over-developed sensitivity of adopted victimhood" is offensive to people who lost relatives? What is adopted about our victimhood?

You don't like me as we have opposite opinions on most things it appears. Ignore that for a moment and imagine if Dahmer had eaten your relatives, then this piece of refuse says your grief is an adopted affectation. Are you seriously telling me your wouldn't be damn annoyed at his insensitivity and appalling bad taste?

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However that means they are reacting based on their own emotional response, which for the outsider (like me) may appear dis-proportionate to the words of others.

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There is nothing disproportionate about it. He insulted the memory of my lost relatives and the grief my family feels for them.

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Not really sure what someone called Dahmer eating my relatives has to do with this, other than to inflame an already emotionally tense situation.

If you really want my opinion, if I were related to someone who was the victim of Dr Shipman (the actual person we are discussing) then I would not be discussing it on a trivial, peer to peer, file sharing internet forum. For the precise reason that I may get a reaction which would upset me in real life. Things have happened in my life which have been very traumatic, they will not be discussed here. It is however a matter for you if you want to discuss your real life traumas here.

If you chose to react the way you have and openly declare a vendetta against another member, then that is a matter for you. However I suspect your apparent hatred will do you more harm than him.

Oh and for the record I was expressing my opinion. It was done in a reasonable, non-offensive and non-inflammatory way. As to me not liking you, I can honestly say (and I truly mean this) that I cannot recall ever having argued with you.

I didn't choose for this topic to be posted, just as someone who might know people from the WTC don't choose for 9/11 topics to be posted. However I responded in the same manner as another poster who lost relatives.

If anyone has a right to discuss his death, it is me and that other poster.

As for expecting to be insulted, nope not really. This is a tightly mod'd board and I would expect the kind of crap j2k4 is posting here to be quickly pulled and knuckles rapped. It is hardly expected that someone would be as deliberatly offensive as he has been in such a thread as this.

As for the "vendetta" - I now see it as my duty, in my time on this board, to stop him doing it again to anyone else. All I will do is hold him to the rules of the board, nothing more.

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Originally posted by 1234@14 January 2004 - 22:07
I didn't choose for this topic to be posted, just as someone who might know people from the WTC don't choose for 9/11 topics to be posted. However I responded in the same manner as another poster who lost relatives.

If anyone has a right to discuss his death, it is me and that other poster.

As for expecting to be insulted, nope not really. This is a tightly mod'd board and I would expect the kind of crap j2k4 is posting here to be quickly pulled and knuckles rapped. It is hardly expected that someone would be as deliberatly offensive as he has been in such a thread as this.

As for the "vendetta" - I now see it as my duty, in my time on this board, to stop him doing it again to anyone else. All I will do is hold him to the rules of the board, nothing more.

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What you chose to do was post personal details on a trivial forum. The fact that the opportunity was there did not force you to do so. That was a matter entirely for you.

I do not think he has been particularly offensive, this is my opinion and I fully support your right to hold an entirely opposite one. Compared to a lot of what I have seen here his posts did not even reach the innocuous, like I said earlier if your own sensitivity saw it differently, than that is to be expected. However your judgment is subjective.

When you say you will hold him to the board rules, how do you propose to do this. Presumably by using the same reporting system under which I have reported you.

He chose to be offensive, he must learn there are repercussions. You might not have found it offensive, but that is utterly unimportant.

Yep I will report him for board violations.

I am aware you reported me, though I am also aware of why :) Lets see who's report is taken more seriously.

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Originally posted by 1234@14 January 2004 - 16:58
You came into this thread and insulted people, including people affected by his crimes like me. Don't try and pass that blame off to me, just apologise and leave the thread if you can't behave.

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1234, i know that this is a sensitive topic, but there is a concept you need to learn:

you are a n00b and that means that
you are <span style='font-size:30pt;line-height:100%'> in no position to tell us what to do or what not to do</span>

by telling ppl to leave ur thread, u acknowledge that you are an asshole