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I'm not trying to "waist" (sic) your time, I'm trying to understand what I see not what you think you know.

I can turn several klite master uploaders PLs of 1000 into PLs of 10k+ at flick of a check and they ALL change.

I don't need two computers and it all happens on the same supernode with the same entries in my traffic window.

Get several uploaders with KLmaster 1000 showing then change to show real PL.

Immediately cancel all uploads.

Watch them reconnect and their actual PLs change.

I've just tested it again with ten (10) klmaster 1000 uploaders in my traffic window and they all changed to a PL of 10k+.

NB only three (3) had generic user names, the remaining seven (7) had discrete user names.

I don't have the knowledge or wisdom to hack PLs and these users are unlikely to have had time to hack their PLs.

Now, please don't you waste my time and everyone elses by jumping on my posts until you are sure of your facts.

PS I've now got 15 (fifteen) uploaders in view with a PL of 10k+ and I've just turned them all back to KLmasters 1000 by using the above method!!

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or it is generally possible to see other users real PLs.

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That's what I said (or meant to say).

I say yes, MM says no - take your pick.

To see them check BOTH "constant PL 1000" and "show real PL".

Perhaps you would let us know what you see?

so you don't need facts because of what you think you are looking at??? :blink:


ok what ever you say boss. :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

Welcome to the wonderful world of Musleman.

There are only two rules - Rule 1 Musleman is always right, Rule 2 When Musleman is wrong refer back to Rule 1.

It is not what I THINK I see it is what I KNOW I see.

I see uploaders with PLs of 10k+ when I have "Constant PL 1000" AND "show real PL" both tagged.

If I then untag "show real PL" and cancel all the uploads they all restart as KLmaster 1000.

The above are facts not opinion or assumption and I can keep toggling them back and forth to my hearts' content.

None of the above is in the least bit important and has no influence on anyones ability to download or upload.

Over now to Musleman for the last (presumably dismissive) word.

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Originally posted by oldjagman@10 May 2004 - 11:30
Welcome to the wonderful world of Musleman.

There are only two rules - Rule 1 Musleman is always right, Rule 2 When Musleman is wrong refer back to Rule 1.

It is not what I THINK I see it is what I KNOW I see.

I see uploaders with PLs of 10k+ when I have "Constant PL 1000" AND "show real PL" both tagged.

If I then untag "show real PL" and cancel all the uploads they all restart as KLmaster 1000.

The above are facts not opinion or assumption and I can keep toggling them back and forth to my hearts' content.

None of the above is in the least bit important and has no influence on anyones ability to download or upload.

Over now to Musleman for the last (presumably dismissive) word.

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but you have no way of knowing those are the same exact people :blink: :blink:

that is an assumption on your part. you have no way of proving that. :blink: :blink:

just because its the same user name and the same file :frusty: :frusty: if i had a penny for every time that happened i would be so reach i don't even think there is a name for it.

welcome to the world of oldjagman, where facts don't matter, as a matter of fact, fact are what his assumptions are, and if you disagree then you are obviously wrong.

excuse me if i fail to recognize your assumptions as facts just because you swear by them.

facts are facts and assumptions are assumptions. :frusty: :frusty: :frusty:

Ok, let me try to explain this in simple terms.

I have 15 people shown in my traffic window.

12 of these are shown as KL Master 1000.

In K++ Advanced options I now check "show real PL"

I now cancel all downloads.

The cancelled entries all restart.

They never leave my screen.

They do not change order.

The user names do not change.

The files being uploaded do not change.

The amount uploaded resumes from where it left off.

12 KL Masters become unclassified with PLs in the 12000 to 15000 range.

Now some would argue that this is not a statistically significant sample but it is one hell of a coincidence if other users with precisely the same user names replace those I have cancelled, in precisely the same order, are uploading the exact same file from me and have the same amount of data downloaded.

Incidentally, we are not just talking Lord of the Rings, the Matrix Trilogy or Star Wars here. The files requested in the sample include Rashomon, Yojimbo, The Seventh Seal and Citizen Kane (not the most popular of tastes in P2P circles).

Tip: Set your computers clock at thursday 01:59am and restart KL :rolleyes:

Gotcha! So that's how it's done. KLite is set up to reset all constant PL1000s to 19210 at a given time each week. I'm on GMT - summer time - so it reset mine at 0100 hours on my clock.

And everybody got the same number to start off! (I know this because I have their "real PLs" in view).

I suppose (I mmusn't say "assume" cos it's a dirty word) the idea is that this ensures noone can drop below 1000 in the space of a week.

Thanks for adding to the sum of human knowledge.

May your God go with you!

The reason is sharman have some kind of "protection" against PLs