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Yes, RIF indeed :huh:
why should anyone donate?
not saying this from a selfish anti american point of view. it's disgusting to see the government asking the civilians that they tax, to give them money to do the job the tax should pay for.
nice little civil war you got going down there :happy: power to the people!1! :01:
Thanks guys :)Quote:
Originally Posted by peat moss
@ Hank,
yes your Oil Companies sell to the highest bidder just like everyone else's does. Thats why you pay $70 a barrel, just like everyone else.
US is also the 15th largest exporter of Gas.
@ Peerzy,
Stop it already.
I havent read the last few pages, but from what i read prior to that..
Just about everyone that had transport and wished to left prior to the Hurricane, leaving all those that didnt have transport ie: The Poorest, to fend for themselves.
5 days after the hurricane, there is finally a convoy delivering Food and Water.. call me cynical that its the same day as Bush decides to get off his fat arse and visit.
However, for 4 days 1000's of people have been without food and water, in the richest country on Earth. Im bloody sure I and most people on this board (especially those with kids) would also be looting to survive.
There's also huge, uncontrolled crime, so id also be getting me a bloody gun to protect my familly from a lot of other desperate people!!! And so would you be, in the same situation.
It shocked the hell out of me yesterday, when the Mayor of New Orleans was telling the world that 95% of the looters were trying to find food and water.. that the President of the USA announced there should be zero tolerance on looting.
In other words, shoot those that want to eat and drink, let them wait 'till I get there with the convoy. Way to go... :ph34r:
Because those taxes pay for the infrastructure, not the business' that keep people alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by GepperRankins
Nor the little people that couldnt afford insurance (and those that the insurance companies rip off).
The donations to charity will help rebuild the community, not the bloody roads that the taxes will.
Hold up just one second Rat. You can’t eat tennis shoes, jewelry, Cadillac’s, electronics, firearms, and school buses all of which have been stolen. They are only going after the one, which are stealing to try to profit from this situation. The ones that armed and dangerous and terrorizing the people there are the people that the National Guard is going after. The people who are stealing food and water and not being targeted by the police.
I agree, that 5% are scumbags and deserve everything you can throw at them.
However, they are all looters.
Zero Tollerance only has one meaning in this context.
The Police, the Mayor and the National Guard... NONE of these people have mentioned zero tollerance. Only one guy...
BTW: If there were buses to be stolen, why werent they used to evaquate before the Hurricane?
Actually, i saw pictures of a depot full of school buses under water.. why werent they all used?
The buses that were stolen were actually high jacked while in route to take them to Houston. The people on the bus threatened the bus driver, he stopped the bus they commandeered the bus and god knows where they are now. This happened more than once so there are now some members of the guard have to accompany the buses.
i stay in houston , i would took one too if i was stranded , foodless, waterless and aint have nothin, now houston is now offically new orleans home. they doing all types of stuff down here, car jacking , its krazy down here for real for real
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
people are literally dying because of not getting food water and medicine,not taking baths , dirty clothes. now u tell me u wouldnt try to do anything to survive, i understand where u comming from , some are just looting for the want but some are looting for the need, i heard first hand stories , the gov't draggin their azzes to help them folks down there and one reason why is because they are black o yes i said it its because they are black point blank
I have just heard where over 60 countries have offered assistance. No offer has been turned down. I want to thank all who care. Even Sri Lanka. And they have definitely had their own disaster to deal with.
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Originally Posted by Rat Faced
RF, I am concerned that you believe no water and food was brought in by all means unavailable until today. I don't understand this belief, whether it is lack of news that you are receiving or what.
Leadership at the local level is crucial. If anything, this will be a wake up call to Governors to do everthing they can to prepare for and secure their state in such disasters until the assistance they are responsible for requesting (after all...they are the ones on site who are a lot better to ascertain their citizens needs.) arrive.
I also reiterate this is the worst disaster on record in the United States.
I found this, if anything it's raw and honest . Its a blog from people holed up in their office .
http://news.zdnet.com/Blog+offers+ra...&subj=technews
I find myself wondering what this thread would be like if Americans didn't post here.
Ok guys this is the assessment of the week that transpired.
The Governor of the state had no worst case scenario plan for any situation like this. She only had 7,000 troops to respond to what went is going on in N.O. even though there was a week to prepare. The Mayor of N.O. who is on TV ranting an raving about getting help also had no worst case scenario plan and he did ask the Governor for help in advance even though he had a week to prepare.
So now we have the situation that’s unfolding there right now and everyone’s crying that the Federal government isn’t doing enough when it’s the Governor of the state and the Mayor of the city who are running things here. The Feds relief took so long to get there because the people who are in charge of the state don’t have a clue as to who to do so they blame Bush because it’s convenient. The President can only respond to what the local officials ask for and they didn’t ask for huge numbers of National Guardsmen, Military police, food, and water to be pre positioned and ready to go as soon as the weather calmed down. Now they’re all crying Bush Bush but they are the one’s who sat around for a week.
Now we have a giant mess in the city of N.O. and no one is in control. Nobody knows what the hell is going on and no one here seems to want to take chare of this situation. Someone has to step forward and take control of this so there can be one person in charge who calls the shots. Right now what we have is to many cooks in the kitchen and everyone is pulling in different directions instead of together. After 9/11 Rudy Guilani was the man in control and he called all the shots. We desperately need someone to take the reins of this so everything can start to coordinate.
Something better happen and fast.
About the same. Some would post about about how ironic that catastrophe is, other would post messages of support.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
And others would ask how to donate. I can't access the american red cross site BBH posted the other day. Any other NGO I could give to?
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Originally Posted by peat moss
http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/4633/Des...in_New_Orleans
j2. i imagine if there were no americans in this thread we would all agree. :P
so now your government is probably responsible for breakdown of law and order and thousands dead, and more importantly they lost 20% of their oil production are they going to look into this global warming thing?
anyone want some pics?
I zipped all my friends sent me from new orleans and gulfport its 9.33 MB so someone should post some in this thread of they feel so inclined
http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0...M226BU6CFIIM8M
I don't have time to upload all these pics....
edit another link
http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3...R3GCIIPTN5BO8B
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Originally Posted by j2k4
Good point friend I think I'll skip this forum for awhile not what I thought sharing was about ,sadly its political differences and I do n't have time for that when it involves a nation hurting . :(
I liked everrose's reponce , you know who your friends are in times of trouble ...... :)
I took a look at them, sometimes I can't believe its America. The greatest coun try of em all. It's so close.Quote:
Originally Posted by muchspl3
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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
thanks for explanation, after watching cnn last night that is the explanation i concluded - it sounds like beaurocratic political game world.
When i heard the mayor speak in an interview with wwl radio i thought he was some rapper from the streets - very undiplomatic eloquence which i liked.("man,dude,assholes,bleep,bleep") with alot of blaming - he even says i don't know if ill have a job after this interview..
i tried to find a recording of the interview - but both wwl radio and cnn seem to have removed them maybe because it is so "passionate".- or as you call ranting & raving - very down to earth guy.
heres a cuter version - http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video...0%26deGMT%3A+2
When something like this happens in Australia, it's a federal emergency as well as a state one, all resources are put into place, immediately. Our cities are far more isolated than yours too, but all the wheels are set in motion at the same time.
That this should be the responsibility of the state Governor, and responded to federally by request, is a disgrace.
You're an Australian then, Cobber.Quote:
Originally Posted by whypikonme
Or did you emigrate there.
After a went home from work yesterday, I was still having a problem with the telphone central office getting an ISDN line to work for the DC mayor's video conference system.........
So I'm on the phone (at home ffs 'cause it wasn't a field problem) back and forth with DC government technicians trying to tell them to sit tight....
I call a Verizon (my company) central office technician to run a test to see if we see the video conference equipment up.......
While she doing that I tell her, "There are alot of people pissed at the slow response." Mind you I had just seen Kanye West's remarks...it was late.
She says, "Well most of the them down there are on welfare anyway and they are just looking for another hand-out."
Bitch. :angry:
I tell her that this is a disaster and has nothing to do with social welfare, it's the most basic welfare...survival.
Mind you I didn't curse the bitch out 'cause it's work (off-the clock work though). :ermm:
http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3378111Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%
B while I don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly she has a point. In a situation like this you have to want to help yourself and most of these people don’t want to. The majority that stayed even though they were told to leave for 2 or 3 days stayed because they thought that it would be safe, and if something happened someone would come to their rescue. Now they decided to stay and they didn’t stock up on water, food anything. They all figured that someone would be there for them if things got bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
Where I live the storm wasn’t supposed to be bad, which thank god it wasn’t. The day before the storm I bought a ton of water, bread, sandwich meats, can goods and so on just in case things got rough here. Turns out that I didn’t need any of it but you know what none of that stuff will go bad and I’ll use all of it. I’ve been though this many times and you absolutely have to do for yourself and not be dependent on someone coming in to help. It’s a survival mode that I go into before something like this. I think about what I need to do to survive for a couple of days if need be.
they couldn't afford to leave and had nowhere to stay outside the projects. they didn't want to risk having their homes looted. they probably couldn't afford to get emergency food as it was the end of the month and they had barely enough money to live on anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
You're absolutely right Hank...Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
They should have walked to the next state or stocked up on food they had no money for. :dry:
She has no point.
Who cares what you stock up on if you can't carry it to your roof top. Fuck off. Your fucking house isn't submerged smart guy. Some people don't have cars and SUVs.
Fact is it's very possible that the way you and that bitch ass CO tech look at it, the Prez might look at it and see from the news the most of the folk there don't have pink toes. :ohmy: Quite possible. :pinch:
I remember some African country that decided they didn't want Jews around anymore. Israel did 24 hr airlifts to get them out.
How the fuck can you "don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly" but "she has a point" anyway.
It's not like I quoted her for an entire paragraph. She made one statement.
What did I tell you? You have to want to help yourself.
Not all of those that stayed couldn’t afford to. A lot of people that stayed said that they thought that if they could survive hurricane Camille they could survive anything. They were wrong.
think about it busyman. "if i don't walk 300 miles in two days the government will give me money"Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
i know what i'd do
Oh damn they polled all those survivors. :ohmy: ...and they all said if "[If I] could survive hurricane Camille [I] could survive anything." :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
So the people that didn't get out should fuck off then 'cause they didn't walk to safety. Riiiight. Your dumbass comment fits only those who have the means.
The fact is we should be more about America than other countries.
Why the fuck didn't we tell the Iraqi's to help themselves in fighting Saddam?
Why the fuck are we losing more in (tax dollars and lives) in another fucking country fighting for freedom than some of our own domestic issues?
Mind you this has just started but it's a shit pattern.
Put American interests first then take care of other shit.
edit: and this shit is mostly because the levies broke. Who foresaw that?
You got elderly folks, women with newborns, etc....and then you've got
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Originally Posted by BigBank Hank
Listen I said that there were some that could have gotten out that didn’t. I know someone that lives in Biloxi and they have money and they didn’t leave even though we begged them to. Want to guess why? The house that they live in survived Camille. They survived the storm but the house didn’t. There were people in the city that could have left that didn’t is all I’m saying. Those people had money and chose to stay. Fats Domino is another example. He’s a very famous musician here in the state that’s very wealthy and stayed in his condo downtown.
Are you kidding me? Who saw that coming? People have been saying that for years and years now. Hurricanes aren’t something new here. Everyone in the whole damn city knew that the levees could not withstand a cat 4 storms on up, everyone. They were designed for storms up to cat 3 strength.Quote:
and this shit is mostly because the levies broke. Who foresaw that?
Ahaaaaa...I knew that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
Guess who denied the money to fix them years ago? :dry:
Bush merged FEMA with HLS after 9/11 so they competed for money. Guess who won?
This happened and our borders are still porous. :dry:
Look at this bitch shit
Bullshit comforting
Sorry Busyman, but I watched the news that night as well, and saw many who thought Katrina was a joke. They were partying to the last minute on Burbon St. A bunch claimed " The media is just hyping this up". At the time most of those comments were made, Katrina was a catergory 5 storm. My heart goes out to some of the people who got caught up in this without a choice ( mostly children and wife's of asshole husbands/fathers who thought they had all the answers) and to the poor of New Orleans who had no choice of where to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
i'm guessing 90% of those caught up didn't have a choice
Why does the u.s. need to decide whether they will "accept" the offers of help money supplies etc from foreign countries?
does politics always have to be this sneaky?
Sorry as well RP. Your first through third sentences get a "No :shit: ".Quote:
Originally Posted by RPerry
Your last is what I'm talking about quite obviously. :ermm:
I hope a couple news clips of partying don't give you the entire picture nor, in light of what has happened, should it matter.
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Originally Posted by 100%
I read the Swiss were offering their oil reserves , they have oil ?
The fact that the USA spends a lot on matters outside of the USA is contrary to the wishes of a lot of other people, not because of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Busyman
It is very much a matter of "your choice".
They also have a navy.Quote:
Originally Posted by peat moss