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Glag.
I worked for DEFRA for a bit. I'm hoping bird AiDs comes to England, so I can a summer job there again. Also so a bunch of gits will die.
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Nice one Doris,
I had a major run in with MAFF in 2000, I could not achieve my quota, so they revoked my Licence on my fishing vessel.
are you operator 159? ... she was nice and helpful
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No, but I called up a farmer and ended up pissing him off. I don't think karma has forgiven me for that.
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I'm sorry but I'll have to pick you up on almost every thing you said there...
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Originally Posted by manker
However, you seemed to be under the misapprehension that Welsh people don't want anything to do with the English people. Which seems odd as I'm sure there was a referendum back when I was too young to vote and we decided to stay part of the UK.
It depends which ones you speak to. True we did vote quite convincingly against devolution in 1979 but I feel it is only now that us Welsh are starting to nurture self-belief. The iron fist of previous Tory goverments have had such a tight grip on our country that it has made us insitutionalised, and has convinced many Welsh people that we could not govern ourselves - which is nonsense since there are many small countries in Europe that have boomed (relatively speaking) since gaining independence.
Besides, there's the language issue - this is a perfect example of English oppression. Being Welsh I assume you've heard of the "Welsh Not" - if you were English I would feel as though I'd have to explain it to you, since the English establishment have well and truly brushed that under the carpet. Most Welsh speakers I know (and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).
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I'm also curious as to why you asserted that 'Britain' is a Celtic word, as if it backed up your (correct) assertion that we were here first. It is debatable whether 'Britain' is a derivative of Celtic word or not, but if it was, then it is a reference to what the Celtic people called our island.
Wel it's quite simple really - along the ages (pre-Roman), the Celts became two divisions, Brythoneg (an ancestor of the Welsh language) and Goideleg (out of which Gaelic has come). These were names that one division used to descbribe the other, so Brython was a name for someone speaking Brythoneg, which has now evolved and split up into Welsh, Cornish and Breton (spoken in Brittany) so the fact that the Romans came here, noticed the word Brython and decided to call the island Brittania for a few hundred years until they buggered off again, bears little relevance to the argument.
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There is little evidence of the Celtic people migrating to the UK - indeed, our own culture and language probably pre-dates that of the true Celtic people ... altho' we did copy them a lot. It is much more likely that the people that the Romans pushed to the outer reaches of the British Isles when they invaded were original Britons. Most of whom had land in modern day England.
You're not making sense - the "original Britons" WERE Celtic - one was a branch off of the other. And as for there not being much evidence of Celtic migration, this island is awash with remnants of their existance here, such as the myriad of burial mounds, stone circles, and tomb stones, all characteristic of the Celtic ways.
I know that this must be really boring for those of you who don't care, and for this I apologise - I tried to end this in my last post.
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Ladies and Gentlemen
OK OK, I feel that I have made my point, so I will lower my defences, and leave the politics in favour of more light-hearted chit-chat...
As for the best british county, after my own area I would have to say that the Scottish county of Inverness is the most majestic in natural beauty.
Don't think I'm being anti-English again, because I've been to the majority of English counties along the years, but none of them really stand out as being something special. For a 'best county' I mainly go for the natural geography, not so much the man-made elements.
Inverness-shire is home of the Isle of Skye and Ben Nevis (the view up there is amazing!), not to mention the A87 from Fort William to the end of Skye, the most breath-taking stretch of road I've ever been on. If anyone fancies a road trip anywhere, it's highly recommended.
Anyone else know what I'm on about here?
Although the landscape in Devon and Cornwall might not be as majestic on as large a scale as Scotland, I defy anyone to say it these counties are not, in places, as beautiful. The dramatic North Cornish coast in summer, the rolling hills of the South Hams, the bleak beauty of Dartmoor or Bodmin, all winners in my book. Plus we've Trago Mills.
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Originally Posted by DorisInsinuate
Glag.
I worked for DEFRA for a bit. I'm hoping bird AiDs comes to England, so I can get a summer job there again. Also so a bunch of gits will die.
I have had many dealings with Defra on many occaisions and I couldn't agree more.
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This board is full with ex uk gov employees.
Defra are more chilled out, unlike MAFF, Thugs in black suits!
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This board is full with ex uk gov employees.
Defra are more chilled out, unlike MAFF, Thugs in black suits!
There's good eggs and bad eggs working for Defra. Everywhere has it's fair share of idiots.
I've met some pretty evil fishermen too in my most recent line of work. There was one man in Lowestoft who was a spectacularly unpleasant chap. :blink:
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(and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).
I don't know about the rest of your post, but I suspect you have been rather selective in the Scottish and Irish people you have spoken to with regard to whether we hate the "establishment", or it's "monarchy".
Taking the North of Ireland as an example, I think it's true to say that the majority of the population are loyalists / monarchist. Hence the Government they select for themselves, both as their Westminster MPs and in their Assembly.
Neither have I been aware any great upsurge in calls for independance or republicanism in Scotland. However you may be more aware of that than I.
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I'm sorry but I'll have to pick you up on almost every thing you said there...
It depends which ones you speak to. True we did vote quite convincingly against devolution in 1979 but I feel it is only now that us Welsh are starting to nurture self-belief. The iron fist of previous Tory goverments have had such a tight grip on our country that it has made us insitutionalised, and has convinced many Welsh people that we could not govern ourselves - which is nonsense since there are many small countries in Europe that have boomed (relatively speaking) since gaining independence.
Besides, there's the language issue - this is a perfect example of English oppression. Being Welsh I assume you've heard of the "Welsh Not" - if you were English I would feel as though I'd have to explain it to you, since the English establishment have well and truly brushed that under the carpet. Most Welsh speakers I know (and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).
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Originally Posted by manker
I'm also curious as to why you asserted that 'Britain' is a Celtic word, as if it backed up your (correct) assertion that we were here first. It is debatable whether 'Britain' is a derivative of Celtic word or not, but if it was, then it is a reference to what the Celtic people called our island.
Wel it's quite simple really - along the ages (pre-Roman), the Celts became two divisions, Brythoneg (an ancestor of the Welsh language) and Goideleg (out of which Gaelic has come). These were names that one division used to descbribe the other, so Brython was a name for someone speaking Brythoneg, which has now evolved and split up into Welsh, Cornish and Breton (spoken in Brittany) so the fact that the Romans came here, noticed the word Brython and decided to call the island Brittania for a few hundred years until they buggered off again, bears little relevance to the argument.
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Originally Posted by manker
There is little evidence of the Celtic people migrating to the UK - indeed, our own culture and language probably pre-dates that of the true Celtic people ... altho' we did copy them a lot. It is much more likely that the people that the Romans pushed to the outer reaches of the British Isles when they invaded were original Britons. Most of whom had land in modern day England.
You're not making sense - the "original Britons" WERE Celtic - one was a branch off of the other. And as for there not being much evidence of Celtic migration, this island is awash with remnants of their existance here, such as the myriad of burial mounds, stone circles, and tomb stones, all characteristic of the Celtic ways.
I know that this must be really boring for those of you who don't care, and for this I apologise - I tried to end this in my last post.
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
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I'm sorry but I'll have to pick you up on almost every thing you said there...
It depends which ones you speak to. True we did vote quite convincingly against devolution in 1979 but I feel it is only now that us Welsh are starting to nurture self-belief. The iron fist of previous Tory goverments have had such a tight grip on our country that it has made us insitutionalised, and has convinced many Welsh people that we could not govern ourselves - which is nonsense since there are many small countries in Europe that have boomed (relatively speaking) since gaining independence.
Besides, there's the language issue - this is a perfect example of English oppression. Being Welsh I assume you've heard of the "Welsh Not" - if you were English I would feel as though I'd have to explain it to you, since the English establishment have well and truly brushed that under the carpet. Most Welsh speakers I know (and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).
Wel it's quite simple really - along the ages (pre-Roman), the Celts became two divisions, Brythoneg (an ancestor of the Welsh language) and Goideleg (out of which Gaelic has come). These were names that one division used to descbribe the other, so Brython was a name for someone speaking Brythoneg, which has now evolved and split up into Welsh, Cornish and Breton (spoken in Brittany) so the fact that the Romans came here, noticed the word Brython and decided to call the island Brittania for a few hundred years until they buggered off again, bears little relevance to the argument.
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Originally Posted by manker
There is little evidence of the Celtic people migrating to the UK - indeed, our own culture and language probably pre-dates that of the true Celtic people ... altho' we did copy them a lot. It is much more likely that the people that the Romans pushed to the outer reaches of the British Isles when they invaded were original Britons. Most of whom had land in modern day England.
You're not making sense - the "original Britons" WERE Celtic - one was a branch off of the other. And as for there not being much evidence of Celtic migration, this island is awash with remnants of their existance here, such as the myriad of burial mounds, stone circles, and tomb stones, all characteristic of the Celtic ways.
I know that this must be really boring for those of you who don't care, and for this I apologise - I tried to end this in my last post.
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
Babycham is a great slave, but a poor master.
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Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
I don't know why but I can't stop giggling at that.
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Originally Posted by manker
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
I don't know why but I can't stop giggling at that.
Manker won't be in the morning. Look at at all the grammer mistakes :pinch:
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Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
Hmm, many typing errors in the above passage. I would suggest a diagnosis of one's own problems before offering others your medicinary wisdom.
You disappoint me. I thought we were having a debate here - I refuse to lower myself to your infantile level of humour.
Besides, how can you say that events of thousands of years ago are "FDact"? We do not have fact to support my claim or yours, we only have evidence and expert advice from historians/archeologists.
Now, there goes my 5 posts - in a few days I can post on the Invites request thread. Good little banter there!! Cheers.
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Why do all my threads turn into arguments about Welsh history? :(
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Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
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Originally Posted by manker
Seriously, I think you might have brain aids.
I know for a fact that what I said earlier was right and if you'tr tryig to refute it, then braain aids is the obvious cause.
Not that I can rekmemnber what I said earler but it was right. FDact.
Hmm, many typing errors in the above passage. I would suggest a diagnosis of one's own problems before offering others your medicinary wisdom.
You disappoint me. I thought we were having a debate here - I refuse to lower myself to your infantile level of humour.
Besides, how can you say that events of thousands of years ago are "FDact"? We do not have fact to support my claim or yours, we only have evidence and expert advice from historians/archeologists.
I was drunk, dick 'ed.
Your point of view differs to mine - my understanding of history is that the Celts are a continental race of ancient people that did not migrate to our shores. This view is a fairly modern one and has been written about extensively over the past ten years or so.
The evidence of which you speak is circumstantial at best, the art and traditions detailed in Welsh history were copies of true Celtic art.
I've noticed many older Welshmen (My Dad, for example) and women really don't like this POV - preferring the romantic cliche of being descendents of a Celtic race. Sadly, according to me and eminant archaeologists such as Richard Rudgley, this isn't the case.
If you prefer to dwell upon past historical presumptions, that is a matter for you - I'd rather look at the evidence (or lack of, concerning Celtic settlements in Wales) and make my own mind up.
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Originally Posted by Cheese
Why do all my threads turn into arguments about Welsh history? :(
Shut it, Pennycomequick boy :dry:
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Now, there goes my 5 posts - in a few days I can post on the Invites request thread. Good little banter there!! Cheers.
Good luck getting the invites and thanks for all you have contributed to this forum.
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Why do all my threads turn into arguments about Welsh history? :(
Shut it, Pennycomequick boy :dry:
:lol: - I vaguely remember that argument, something about Pennycomequick being an ancient Welsh settlement.
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Shut it, Pennycomequick boy :dry:
:lol: - I vaguely remember that argument, something about Pennycomequick being an ancient Welsh settlement.
Yeah, I think I got pwned by Billy :dabs:
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:lol: - I vaguely remember that argument, something about Pennycomequick being an ancient Welsh settlement.
Yeah, I think I got pwned by Billy :dabs:
You'll have to narrow it down more than that.
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Yeah, I think I got pwned by Billy :dabs:
You'll have to narrow it down more than that.
Feck awf :lol:
Billy (as decaftar) said that 'Pennycomequick' was a Welsh word, I said feck off, Billy said nothing but then Chebus googled and found that on some obscure etymology site, 'Pennycome' is Welsh for 'head of the valley'.
Chebus :dabs:
The thread has now been deleted - presumably because it sullied my reputation :snooty:
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If I might throw my tuppence in
"Celtic" is a convenient short hand for the Western peoples of Europe - the Galcians, Bretons, Cornish, Irish, Scots and Welsh. Recent DNA studies have suggested a common ancestory that is remarkably old for this area and these people.
The La Tene iron age culture of central Europe encapsulates a very particular artistic and cultural style which is certainly picked up in "Celtic" work of the same period. However, this does not mean that these Western areas were colonised by the La Tene culture people. The evidence is to the contrary and it is now generally considered that the builders of the stone megaliths and burial tombs like Maeshowe and Newgrange went on uninterupted to become the "Celtic" peoples of the Western fringes who traded and interacted with mainland Europe. Irish mythology talks about the Dana coming from Galacia to Ireland and it seems probable that the peoples that settled these areas after the ice age were from very old European stock. Europe was subject to many ravages and movements of people. The Western fringes became the last outpost of La Tene art and culture and many would argue defined it, making it their own.
The term Celts was coined by the ancient Greeks and is unlikely to be a term these people used themselves. The Romans called the Caledonians Picts but records suggest they called themselves the Cruithne or the Prydyn (where Briton comes from)
Least that is my view :)
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You'll have to narrow it down more than that.
Feck awf :lol:
Billy (as decaftar) said that 'Pennycomequick' was a Welsh word, I said feck off, Billy said nothing but then Chebus googled and found that on some obscure etymology site, 'Pennycome' is Welsh for 'head of the valley'.
Chebus :dabs:
The thread has now been deleted - presumably because it sullied my reputation :snooty:
I find that Google is better for searching for older threads, don't tell Skizo I said that though.
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Originally Posted by Biggles
If I might throw my tuppence in
"Celtic" is a convenient short hand for the Western peoples of Europe - the Galcians, Bretons, Cornish, Irish, Scots and Welsh. Recent DNA studies have suggested a common ancestory that is remarkably old for this area and these people.
The La Tene iron age culture of central Europe encapsulates a very particular artistic and cultural style which is certainly picked up in "Celtic" work of the same period. However, this does not mean that these Western areas were colonised by the La Tene culture people. The evidence is to the contrary and it is now generally considered that the builders of the stone megaliths and burial tombs like Maeshowe and Newgrange went on uninterupted to become the "Celtic" peoples of the Western fringes who traded and interacted with mainland Europe. Irish mythology talks about the Dana coming from Galacia to Ireland and it seems probable that the peoples that settled these areas after the ice age were from very old European stock. Europe was subject to many ravages and movements of people. The Western fringes became the last outpost of La Tene art and culture and many would argue defined it, making it their own.
The term Celts was coined by the ancient Greeks and is unlikely to be a term these people used themselves. The Romans called the Caledonians Picts but records suggest they called themselves the Cruithne or the Prydyn (where Briton comes from)
Least that is my view :)
Having read that with great interest - who's right.
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Originally Posted by meirionwyllt
(and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).
I don't know about the rest of your post, but I suspect you have been rather selective in the Scottish and Irish people you have spoken to with regard to whether we hate the "establishment", or it's "monarchy".
Taking the North of Ireland as an example, I think it's true to say that the majority of the population are loyalists / monarchist. Hence the Government they select for themselves, both as their Westminster MPs and in their Assembly.
Neither have I been aware any great upsurge in calls for independance or republicanism in Scotland. However you may be more aware of that than I.
Fair point indeed. But I sense that independence is an issue that one either passionately supports, or is largely indifferent towards (or quietly against).
Generally only nationalists will feel passionate enough about independence to talk about the issue socially. I can't imagine two non-nationalists saying to each other "Oh I'm glad that we are a part of the UK - wouldn't want it any other way". Although that is what they're thinking, they won't bother saying it because people generally only talk politics if there's something they're not happy with (myself included). I assume that you are against independence (I respect your opinion 100%), so I doubt that you spend much time talking about it because that's the status quo, and for that reason perhaps you are less likely to come accross those that are in favour of independence. On the other hand, I do feel passionately in favour of it, and talk to a lot of people about it, and more often that not, people agree with me. I must re-assert that this happens a lot in Scotland and Ireland too, probably since they are in a similar situation.
But another reason for our difference in findings may be due to the simple fact that we generally spend our time conversing with those that are like-minded to ourselves, so it's natural that our friends will have similar opinion to us.
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Originally Posted by Biggles
Irish mythology talks about the Dana coming from Galactica to Ireland
Fantastic, I bet if Starbuck put her mind to it, she could spawn an entire race from a relatively small gene pool.
Just kidding. Good post, Les. I think we're in agreement :)
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should i read this entire thread in order to find a reason to post?
yes?
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No?
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Originally Posted by JPaul
I don't know about the rest of your post, but I suspect you have been rather selective in the Scottish and Irish people you have spoken to with regard to whether we hate the "establishment", or it's "monarchy".
Taking the North of Ireland as an example, I think it's true to say that the majority of the population are loyalists / monarchist. Hence the Government they select for themselves, both as their Westminster MPs and in their Assembly.
Neither have I been aware any great upsurge in calls for independance or republicanism in Scotland. However you may be more aware of that than I.
Fair point indeed. But I sense that independence is an issue that one either passionately supports, or is largely indifferent towards (or quietly against).
Generally only nationalists will feel passionate enough about independence to talk about the issue socially. I can't imagine two non-nationalists saying to each other "Oh I'm glad that we are a part of the UK - wouldn't want it any other way". Although that is what they're thinking, they won't bother saying it because people generally only talk politics if there's something they're not happy with (myself included). I assume that you are against independence (I respect your opinion 100%), so I doubt that you spend much time talking about it because that's the status quo, and for that reason perhaps you are less likely to come accross those that are in favour of independence. On the other hand, I do feel passionately in favour of it, and talk to a lot of people about it, and more often that not, people agree with me. I must re-assert that this happens a lot in Scotland and Ireland too, probably since they are in a similar situation.
But another reason for our difference in findings may be due to the simple fact that we generally spend our time conversing with those that are like-minded to ourselves, so it's natural that our friends will have similar opinion to us.
I think you will find, certainly for Ireland, that remaining part of the UK is a subject dear to the hearts of a great many of it's citizens. For another part of it's population leaving it is just as great an issue. Indeed I would suggest that it is by far the most important issue, in political terms. Let's face it, thats what their elections, for both Westminster and Stormont, are based upon.
With regard to my own position, I am currently not really that fussed with regard to further independence. Devolution suits me for now. I think that is the case for the majority of Scots. However I am totally against the monarchy, or indeed anything else which is not elected.
I suspect our findings differ because I am a Scot, living and working in Scotland and visiting Ireland as part of my work. You on the other hand are a Welsh chap. I couldn't possibly comment on what percentage of the Welsh speaking population seek independance. Maybe that's the culturally important point here, Welsh speakers have been brought up a certain way. Englishmen born in Wales, like manker, haven't
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Englishmen born in Wales, like manker, haven't
Ouch - I can feel the pain from here. :ph34r:
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Les,
What's your take on
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Most Welsh speakers I know (and every Scottish and Irish person I've met) hate the establishment and really don't want anything to do with it, or its monarchy (but that's another story).
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It's pish, my Gran speaks Welsh and she absolutely adores the Queen and the Royal family.
I realise this is only anecdotal evidence but it's better than a sweeping generalisation :smilie4:
Edit: thinking about it, she is the only Welsh speaking person I know.
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Originally Posted by manker
It's pish, my Gran speaks Welsh and she absolutely adores the Queen and the Royal family.
I realise this is only anecdotal evidence but it's better than a sweeping generalisation :smilie4:
Edit: thinking about it, she is the only Welsh speaking person I know.
So it would be fair to say that you, as an independant witness, have spoken to every Welsh speaker you know and to a nan they are unionists and monarchists.
That seems pretty conclusive to me.
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Originally Posted by JPaul
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Originally Posted by manker
It's pish, my Gran speaks Welsh and she absolutely adores the Queen and the Royal family.
I realise this is only anecdotal evidence but it's better than a sweeping generalisation :smilie4:
Edit: thinking about it, she is the only Welsh speaking person I know.
So it would be fair to say that you, as an independant witness, have spoken to every Welsh speaker you know and to a nan they are unionists and monarchists.
That seems pretty conclusive to me.
That's about the size of it.
There was this ginger kid in junior school who had a stutter, but could speak Welsh - I haven't actually managed to gauge his opinion on this issue but then I've not spoken to him for nigh on twenty years.
So I don't really know him anyhow.
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Oh, there is this mad bloke from down the road that used to shout at us as kids, in a language we thought was devil-speak.
Turns out, it was Welsh - I've not asked him either :dabs:
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So it would be fair to say that you, as an independant witness, have spoken to every Welsh speaker you know and to a nan they are unionists and monarchists.
That seems pretty conclusive to me.
That's about the size of it.
There was this ginger kid in junior school who had a stutter, but could speak Welsh - I haven't actually managed to gauge his opinion on this issue but then I've not spoken to him for nigh on twenty years.
So I don't really know him anyhow.
Did he stammer when speaking Welsh.
I s'pose it would be really hard for you to tell.
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I would guess that there are probably more Scots, Welsh and Irish that are anti-establishment in the traditional sense that Conservatives, Queen and Church of England were seen as inter-changeable. The Labour movement was non-conformist and luke warm (at best) to Land and Privilege. So there is a tradition there, especially as the strongest support for the Labour movement came from Wales and Scotland.
However, the original statement is too strong. For every Keir Hardy there is a Donald Findlay. :ph34r: Nevertheless having worked in the south of England for a few years it would be fair to say that we non-Angles are a tad more Bolshie and far less Royalist (nothwithstanding the Beast of Bolsover). The Golden Jubilee went pretty much unnoticed up here but every second house down south seemed to be decked in bunting. The main error of the statement was that it suggested a degree of passion for republicanism. The average Scot is not for royalty or republicanism - he is mainly for a pint. :lookaroun
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Oh, there is this mad bloke from down the road that used to shout at us as kids, in a language we thought was devil-speak.
Turns out, it was Welsh - I've not asked him either :dabs:
Maybe he was inviting you in for a suite.
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Originally Posted by Biggles
I would guess that there are probably more Scots, Welsh and Irish that are anti-establishment in the traditional sense that Conservatives, Queen and Church of England were seen as inter-changeable. The Labour movement was non-conformist and luke warm (at best) to Land and Privilege. So there is a tradition there, especially as the strongest support for the Labour movement came from Wales and Scotland.
However, the original statement is too strong. For every Keir Hardy there is a Donald Findlay. :ph34r: Nevertheless having worked in the south of England for a few years it would be fair to say that we non-Angles are a tad more Bolshie and far less Royalist (nothwithstanding the Beast of Bolsover). The Golden Jubilee went pretty much unnoticed up here but every second house down south seemed to be decked in bunting. The main error of the statement was that it suggested a degree of passion for republicanism. The average Scot is not for royalty or republicanism - he is mainly for a pint. :lookaroun
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