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how to get invites without trading... hmmm... maybe prove to that person that you are someone worth of giving an invite to, not just someone who's traded their way into some account that possibly in this day in age they didn't even start themselves... Just because you have invites doesn't make you a trust worthy person... but i can see from your +13 trade rep that this concept is lost on you, since you are more like a used car salesman of getting invites... looks like business is looking up...
I really do not see your point, sorry. By providing invites you ARE proving trusthworthy to the opposing member. I guess you will never know the value of good sites. Spread the demonoid love!Quote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
by providing invites to anyone who comes along with something else you want in no way is thinking in the best intrest of the site... say you invite 5 people because they can get you an invite to the latest and greatest 1337 tracker, and 3 turn out to be cheats, how did you help? And i believe i better than you understand the value of good sites, i am a member of many such good sites and got them the old fashioned way, i was active in many different torrent communities and gained the respect of other members and even being staff at some, and in such received invites to other trackers... so in essence I had to prove that i was worthy of an invite, and not because i could get them into some other 1337 tracker...
Yeah i can understand where you are coming from. But a lot of members here have got a lot of respect for trackers and they did not deserve this one bit. Whichever way you look at it, to trade both members have to have some form of respect for each other. Nobody would just hand invites away to a nice tracker like this. Free invites are only given to sites like TL or ones that opened signups recently.
I would give out invites for free to a site like this, to people i trust will do the site some good, I think your still missing the point of invites, I dont trade invites, i give away any invites I have to people i TRUST to do the site good. I will agree that i am sure there were many members affected that we're very decent people and good members, but unfortunately someone broke the rules, and they in some way were indeed linked to those people, hopefully those decent people will be able to get on the tracker again someday, but it is not the staff of the site you should be upset with, it is all those that are openly and freely breaking the site rules on sites such as this every single day that are the problem... These are the consequences unfortunately when the rules of a site have been broken to such an extent were people feel that they are justified in some way in doing so... they dont seem to understand they have no right to be there, it is a private site, and being there is a privilege, and does come with rules and responisbility...Quote:
Originally Posted by gamer4eva
Everyone keeps talking about some agreement between FTWR and FST. What is this agreement, in detail?
Not everyone that has a good trading rep is a trader. Look at my rep, what is it now 18? I have not traded invites or accounts with anyone. I give my invites freely to people who I feel would be good members of various private forums. Because of all this recent banning I don't think that I will ever give invites to any tracker rated a +3 or more here, in fear of loosing my account.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
Let me tell about the old days when you actually had to work to earn an invite I mean I had no less then 500 posts on some trackers before I even ever got considered for an invite to another tracker.
Trading did not exist back then but if you showed your worth to the community invites would come your way and the more you contributed the more respect you gained and once you earned that guess what, you could ask for any private tracker you wanted and you would be let in without even blinking an eye.
Yes I know I said I would'nt post anymore on this thread :P but this my final post.
im sorry dvhrld i didn't mean to imply that everyone with a positive trading rep is a leech on the system, but users like you and I who willingly GIVE invites to people we know and trust are a dying breed it seems...
and to DKre8ive1 those days almost seem so long ago now with the sad state of affairs, I recognize your SN from a host of trackers, and instantly recognize you as someone that is trustworthy... and I much the same in my own circles have become quite well known, and as such have gained respect amongst my fellow torrentors, not quite in the same league as you, but I agree that the respect and trust is what should gain people acceptance into a new tracker, not because they are expert barterers...
No doubt - the Hitler comparision was rather extreme and absurd. :dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by hdooga
At times, you gotta use shock value to prove a point.
But this whole "your type" thing - as mentioned "Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"!!!
Take the time to read previous posts that I have made, so that you can get a better idea of where I am coming from. My entire mode of life is questioning and examining all things.
But as mentioned - there are zillions of trackers that are out there. Some are practically identical, and some differ. I personally understand and respect the rules of this tracker - this is a choice that I have made - please repect that. And just because I have done so does not make me some mindless drone who follows the herd. If these rules are not conducive to what you think BT is all about, then move on to those greener pastures that you seek.
And yeah - "take it like a man" is no doubt a pseudo chauvinistic comment.
BUt we are not debating "political corectness" here. I was directly quoting someone, and my respect was for their action, and not their gender.
It is so *easy* to whimper and cry about things, and to cast blame for all the people who have wronged. In fact, it could be said that it is a natural reaction. It takes emotional depth to be patient about something, to wait until the smoke clears before raising up a shit storm.
The fact is that many innocent people did get screwed out of this, and that really does suck, and I genuinely empathize for them. But the fact is that invite/account trading became a big problem, and the mods were simply doing what they could to protect the interests of the majority of their users. Look at the world around you - it is not perfect. Sadly, at times, bad things happen to good people. You gotta deal with it, and not let it make you bitter.
As mentioned - don't delude yourself and believe that you are some great champion of freedom and opressed, a hero who stands for "justice and integrity". All be it an absurd comparison, but this is once again how Hitler saw himself. Life is about perspective.
Once again - if you do not like what is being served at this restaurant, feel free to go dine elsewhere. Don't expect the menu to be changed simply because it does not agree with your palette.
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by tdoar
The threat post is a pathetic ultimatum, and it says alot about the person who posted it.
Now that I think about it, I really don't like the people that live next door to me. I'm gonna go round up a crew of my friends, and tonight, we'll head over and beat the living tar out of them. That will show them!
We do live in sad times....
It does not take guts. It takes anger, and a thirst for vengeance.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamer4eva
This is very sad indeed. You are going to make things worse for FST members. You speak as if u represent everyone. You very much don't. Although i do feel sorry for the users that were banned, they own the site and can do as they like. If u owned a tracker, and paid the bills every month, u would want to be able to run it how u wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invite Rights
If sites start to think this is how FST members act, ur going to kill its well earned reputation for helping private trackers. They filter many big sites names, out of kindness, cos they really dont need to. but things like this will get noticed by other trackers, and instead of FST being seen as the site that helps, its members will be targeted as bad torrent users who go against sites rules by trading their invites/accounts, and openly shout the sites url/name.
This could, at worst, mean that sites could start banning users simply because they are a member here at FST. not only because they were caught trading, which they have a right to do, after all its their site, their invites, and their rules. but just for being members, because this thread will get shown about and talked about in the private tracker communities, and it will get frowned upon. i use the same name here as i do in these communities. i dont offer invites to places that dont want me too. i dont need to use a different user name like other members who do trade invites to sites that dont allow it. so i dont need to worry about being banned. now some sites may start banning me just because im a member of FST, the site that openly trades invites/accounts and write urls, whose members they dont want on their sites.
This thread should be removed. not for f***, but to continue showing that FST has good members, who seed well, dont cheat, and are a valuable asset to their communities. to keep standards, and keep FST's reputation intact.
You speak for the FST staff do you? i respect ur right to trade invites here, that is the point in the invite section. but ur bringing down the name of filesharingtalk, and now ur giving the impression that ur speaking for everyone here. ur not. i know ur annoyed with f***, but dont bring down this site just because of that. it will just bring more trouble, and u will be targeted by even more sites now. dont start a war, or if u want to start one, dont take the other members here into it. vent ur frustration on some other forum, because the FST i know and love, and visit frequently, would delete this post, and any others like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invite Rights
sorry to have gone on and on, but i try to keep FST's reputation intact, and feel as though i've contributed alot here to helping with that reputation. i report posts on a daily basis to be edited to have sites full names/urls removed. not to have the thread deleted, just edited. i've been supportive of reality, and his efforts to work with private torrent communities, with TPG. this just kills all those efforts, and sends out the wrong signal.
Yes - power in numbers. Reminds me of the KKK (once again - an absurd comparison), and other types of bullies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invite Rights
"She must be a witch - let's burn her!"
Everyone, go to your barns, gather the pitchforks, shotguns, nosses, whatever. We is gonna have ourselves an old fashioned hanging!
These types of people too were "defending their rights".
"offered alot to their community and they banned us for our efforts".
Clearly, you once again don't seem to understand the issues at stake.
I want to make this point clear - JUST BECAUSE YOU HACE a 1.00+ RATIO DOES NOT MAKE YOU PERFECT!!!!
The fact is that any jerk can have access to fast speeds via their ISP or a seedbox. This site is not about trying to be the fastest or the best. So just because you have this, it does not make you "the perfect user". There are plenty of people out there who have ultra-crappy speeds, and fight long and hard to maintain their ratios, but are still good people because they respect the philosophy of the site.
Not everyone is obsessed with speeds!
I have no clue about this agreement you speak of, and as an ordinary user, I really don't care. All I know is that you are acting childish. Stop trying to find excuses to justify your childish behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Invite Rights
I agree that the ultimatum was kind of silly but I thought the original post was kind of funny because I knew FTWR would blow it out of proportion and start screaming about respect when they themselves started the whole thing, when it actually doesn't hurt FTWR very much except for their egos.Quote:
Originally Posted by shikotee
For the record I always abide by the rules and I have only traded invites on sites that allow it even though I find the whole invite-trading-ban rules a little silly since a tracker rely on invite trading to grow, not by goodwill of people giving invites for free simply because people only rarely give invites for free, not enough to establish a user base. And when they are given out it is to people with nothing better to do with their time than hanging out in filesharing communities all day, establishing a reputation :wacko:. Sites should focus on getting good sharers as members rather than people who hang out in an irc room in hope of getting an invite. And that's where invite-trading comes into the picture.
Invite-trading only becomes a "problem" when user base has already been established. Certainly not enough of a problem to delete invite-trees. That is just someone going on a power-trip.
And I never have or ever will have an account at rabbit because there certainly are more interesting options available.
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1
Here are a few quotes that help express where I am coming from...
"The Ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
- Martin Luther King Jr
"Life consists of problems, living is solving those problems. You should live life to its fullest and never look back on the past". - Unknown
"People don't ask for facts in making up their minds. They would rather have one good soul-satisfying emotion than a dozen facts." - Robert Keith Leavitt
"Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person is a little like expecting the bull not to attack you because you are a vegetarian" - Dennis Wholey
Now thats a good quote. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by shikotee
Can you please clarify to me how being banned has affected your life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Invite Rights
Are you now unable to download the digital files of your choice?
Did this ban somehow stop your computer from working?
Dude - it is not the end of the world!
This is one tracker out of who knows how many.
Let it go - move on!
The realty is that the affects of this ban are purely emotional.
You are angry, and you are lashing out.
I recommend that you hunt down some good pron, and try to release some stress! :w00t:
this shit is hilarious and sad at the same time
I love a good e-drama! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Invite Rights
Sounds like you are a bunch of pussies to me. Just use the FST account you originally created, or are you all too afraid to accept the consequences of your actions? Definately know who one of you are through your typing style. Every Word In A Sentance With A Capital Letter.
LoL Grow up you bloody kids!
Thanks anyway this thread provided much amusement. http://hpd.chiconcerts.com/emot/emot-wrongful.gif
http://hpd.chiconcerts.com/emot/This-Thread-Sucks.gif
Bor74 are you watching this? :pinch:
The problem is that FTWR staff didn't benefit from banning alot of members except that they make alot of people angry,the invite trading will continue everywhere not just in FST but thousands of forums and sites around the world
It's better then to make that tradings in here with the FST strict rules instead for making members trade them on other places with no control
Do u think that members in here were affected by that ban ,well that's a no because alot of those members can get to any tracker whenver they want
i totally don't like or approve the threats post that was posted but i think that FTWR have made alot of guys angry and they have to deal with the consequences
Most of The members were great members who participated efficiently in their tracker but they just forgot all that and deleted whole invite trees
also i think every trader get to FTWr now will be aleecher only or attain avery safe ratio and he won't try to contribute to FTWR by any means because in any team he may be reported by spies in here and get his acc banned
So FTWR has lost good members,gain hatred,get exposed and i don't really know what those guys will make in the next days as they seem they aren't willing to stop soon
so what if i trade invites,i have been agood member and deserved invites and then trade them ,so if i invited 5 members and 2 of them were bad and the other 3 were great members
i think that the tracker will gain 3 good members and those bad two will be gone or disabled in ashort time ,so technicall the tracker had the benefit of 3 good members
In what way are the rules here strict on invite trading? simply put invite trading is simply not acceptable to a private tracker, and even more so account trading is never acceptable, so it FST was so strict all of the above invite traders and account traders would find themselves warned or banned... then i would say that FST is strict...Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
Once again - you have a narrow vision of what it is that constitutes a good site. If your views are based on speed and content alone, then what you are saying is for sure true.Quote:
Originally Posted by aburyach
But to try to understand - some people have other values and other needs.
The main objective of this site has not been "get the most users and torrents and fastest speeds". Sure - having those things is nice, but there are plenty of other places I can go to get that!
The philosophy for this tracker is against invite trading and account swapping. Respect it, and if you can't, then go elsewhere.
You are entitled to your view and opinion - just don't expect everyone to value the exact same things.
Variety is the spice of life.....
This thread has gone in so many circles. There's really no point in continuing discussions, because each side will rebut the other using a point that had already been made.
Do you think trading would stop if FST banned invites? :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
Why invite trading is forbidden:
Because you can invite cheaters:
Cheaters are caught very easily and IP banned.
Because you can invite leechers:
Leechers get disabled pretty fast.
Because of the Chinese terrorists of the RIAA FBI 0MFG! (Jack told me!)
If the FBi or iCE want to get in your site do you really think they need an account?
Because you don't know your who you invited:
I can believe that a site like BitmeTV with a 20k user base can know each members.. + if you have something to trade that mean your not a leecher or cheater (cf 1-2-3)
Because we don't want advertising - we want to be l33t and Privat:
Don't run a P2P tracker and "www" site with a flashy "DONATE" button .. run a FTP
PENN
the invite section is not open to any member like other forums because u have to wait for nearly amonth before u get in and if u tried to scam or do something wrong u will get disabled privilages and your ip will be banned so u can't get in again and no one will risk that if they are bad guys also fst bans cheaters as well as scammers if they are reported not also like the other forumsQuote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
FTP is too dangerous.
That logic does not make it right for FST to allow trading... dont give me a lesser of two evils argument, because its still wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
That maybe FST rules but private site rules says trading invites is also a ban able offense so don't be surprised when you do get banned...Quote:
the invite section is not open to any member like other forums because u have to wait for nearly amonth before u get in and if u tried to scam or do something wrong u will get disabled privilages and your ip will be banned so u can't get in again and no one will risk that if they are bad guys also fst bans cheaters as well as scammers if they are reported not also like the other forums
They are a lot more strict than any other site. Here you have to be a member for 1 month and a minimum of 5 post. However, perhaps they are not strict enough. The 1 month minimum is a good length the 5 posts should be increased a bit. It is still a lot better than every other place where you sign up and instantly you can start trading.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
picking your nose is wrong, wiping your cock on the curtains is also wrong. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165That logic does not make it right for FST to allow trading... dont give me a lesser of two evils argument, because its still wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alien5
that is not being strict on the issue of invites, that is simply putting a time limit on when you can actually abuse the system... if you wait a month before you kill someone does it make it ok? :-)Quote:
They are a lot more strict than any other site. Here you have to be a member for 1 month and a minimum of 5 post. However, perhaps they are not strict enough. The 1 month minimum is a good length the 5 posts should be increased a bit. It is still a lot better than every other place where you sign up and instantly you can start trading.
well,alot of trackers trade invites between their members ,why is that allowable there but not on any other place ?Quote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
i'll tell you in a month :PQuote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
I have yet to see any reputable tracker allowing invite trading, and many people who have attempted to trade invites get warned and their posts deleted immediately, I know of many sites however that allow invites to be offered, to other members, but there is no trade involved...Quote:
well,alot of trackers trade invites between their members ,why is that allowable there but not on any other place ?
This thread is pure comedy.
Firstly, do people honestly believe that this action was aimed at FST members? I can tell you right now, I posted details of patriot and others 4 weeks ago. Despite all his writings of how FST is the best place to trade, he was spotted at zeropaid. FST is not the center of the universe after all.
Secondly, those of you complaining about your rights, you don't have any. If you come to my house and start pissing on the carpets, you'll be thrown out and none of my neighbours will be inviting you in for tea. Same thing applies on my tracker.
You may whine that you provide something to the community, but in 2+ years staffing various sites I have only ever seen one trader who made an effort to be part of the community. I have come across hundreds who are cheats, leechers or multiple account holders.
Thirdly, to those posting threats, congratulations on having such a big e-penis. Torrent sites deal with daily threats from bigger fish than a few upset traders, even when they aren't fighting full blown wars between themselves.
Finally, to those few who actually offer invites up with out expecting returns, good on you. No doubt you are an asset to the sites you are members of.
PS, zeustke165, do I know you from somewhere?
well,the offers and requests threads at ftwr that was there before had alot of posts of such akindQuote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
i need ****** ,i have other good trackers like *****
so do u think that is arequest or atrade?
also not just FTWR there are alot of trackers which allows trading inside it's forums
Off the top of my head I can name 5 private and 1 semi-private trackers that allow it. Some dont allow you to ask, only what you have to offer, while other allow you to ask and offer. No I am not going to disclose what trackers they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by zeustke165
Possibly, i use the same name everywhere i go, and i have held staff positions at sites before... and occasionally upload at others...Quote:
PS, zeustke165, do I know you from somewhere?
I was thinking of a variation of the name.