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On what particular basis are you bombing this Country.
Will you be declaring war first or just bombing them.[/QUOTE]
Just bombing them, as I said you give them a weeks warning.
Israel attacked Iraq's facility years ago, they did nto decalre war or start a war !
I do not know if bombing a nuclear installation would release radiation, but if it did then it would be Iran's leaders fault as they had a weeks warning.
Or if that is too radical for you, you drop a few parachute brigades in, surround the place and then attack it with conventional weapons, kill all the scientists, and do as much damage as possible then copter out. - Steval Sgeal could do it.
Regards
Digby
The real problem here is I don't think you're joking (other than the seagull bit).Quote:
Originally Posted by digmen1
I'd like to know what laws these people believe Iran has broken, or is about to break.
Is it illegal to have nuclear weapons?
The five permanent members of the Security Council, all nuclear armed, signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which obligated them to work towards the elimination of nuclear weapons, which at the time they were the sole possessors of.
None of them have taken the slightest notice of this requirement, and the UK, for example, is about to announce a multi-billion pound upgrade of it's Trident nuclear arsenal.
What right have these countries to dictate to Iran?
On what particular basis are you bombing this Country.
Will you be declaring war first or just bombing them.[/quote]
Just bombing them, as I said you give them a weeks warning.
Israel attacked Iraq's facility years ago, they did nto decalre war or start a war !
I do not know if bombing a nuclear installation would release radiation, but if it did then it would be Iran's leaders fault as they had a weeks warning.
Or if that is too radical for you, you drop a few parachute brigades in, surround the place and then attack it with conventional weapons, kill all the scientists, and do as much damage as possible then copter out. - Steval Sgeal could do it.
Regards
Digby[/quote]
Can I have a loan of your action comic when you are finished with it?:rolleyes:
On the basis that I am a sensible guy who loves history and knows that the UN Security Council was set up to consist mainly of the countries that fought very hard, at great cost for 6 years to stop a well known despost whose name starts with A.
They believed that their council would stop any future major wars. (I admit that the UN is a pathetic paper tiger that lets genoicide go on etc etc) but we have to accept that having this exclusive club of so called sensible countries is better than nothing.
And on the basis that we (the world) should not accept countries such as North Korea, Iran getting nuclear weapons as they would not be afraid to use them.
Britain and France did nothing to stop Hitler (when they could have) and then he became too strong and took over the whole of Europe. That is the major lesson of history.
Regards
Digby
Make up you mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by digmen1
Please explain the above highlighted statement. Was it British holiday makers that evacuated Dunkirk? Whose troops were fighting against Hitler in Africa, Eastern Mediterranean and Scandinavia from 1939 through to 1945? What about the Australian and New Zealand forces fighting in Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by digmen1
Prior to 1939 Britain did try to stop Hitler through diplomacy but Hitler already had his plans and would not be thwarted. You cant just invade another country just because they pose a threat. OH! wait a minute...
It always makes me laugh when yanks come up with this WW2 drivel.
They sat back and watched us fighting a WORLD war and did fuck all but turn it into a business.
It's interesting to note that the US didn't declare war on anyone, the Japanese and Germans both declared war on them.
Another funny story is Eisenhower, when he arrived in Paris he was told of a possible assassination attempt against him, so, being the big brave general he was, locked himself in a heavily guarded 5 star hotel and let Monty run the fighting, even placing part of the US army under Monty's control when they fucked up.
If the US had come into the war when they were supposed to, the holocaust wouldn't have happened, and the Middle East wouldn't be in the mess it's in today.
...and now the US has their nose everywhere and there are still complaints.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
about teh US saving us in world war 2...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIR31IoXoYs[/youtube]
:wub:
The Holocaust happened in Europe, and is the fault of the entire European community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
WWI was a European affair, caused entirely by European stupidity.
WWII was a by-product of an idiotic document called the Versailles Treaty, the punitive aspects of which caused socio-economic distress in Germany, giving rise to Hitler, and authored by a vengeful European community, led by France.
The situations in Southeast Asia (Viet Nam) as well as in the mideast (specifically Iraq, but many other Muslim countries as well) is directly attributable to British and French colonialism, and nothing else.
Literally every current problem extant in that region can be traced back to the attempted subjugation of Islamic peoples by European colonialists.
I mean, hell, you can't even blame the formation of the state of Israel on the U.S.
This is one-hundred percent true fact.
Disclaimer:
This post is the product of a lifetime of fact-gathering, undiluted by googling.
Right off the top of my head, honest.
i'd agree with most of that but add what europe did to germany, the UN/US do to everyone :dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4The Holocaust happened in Europe, and is the fault of the entire European community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
WWI was a European affair, caused entirely by European stupidity.
WWII was a by-product of an idiotic document called the Versailles Treaty, the punitive aspects of which caused socio-economic distress in Germany, giving rise to Hitler, and authored by a vengeful European community, led by France.
The situations in Southeast Asia (Viet Nam) as well as in the mideast (specifically Iraq, but many other Muslim countries as well) is directly attributable to British and French colonialism, and nothing else.
Literally every current problem extant in that region can be traced back to the attempted subjugation of Islamic peoples by European colonialists.
I mean, hell, you can't even blame the formation of the state of Israel on the U.S.
This is one-hundred percent true fact.
Disclaimer:
This post is the product of a lifetime of fact-gathering, undiluted by googling.
Right off the top of my head, honest.
i'd also like to say i'd trust half an hour reading multiple sources on google more than a lifetime of fox news
I've never watched Fox News. Is it any good.
it's loltastic. you should try itQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
What a hypocritical post, as usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4The Holocaust happened in Europe, and is the fault of the entire European community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
Since 1945 the US has either invaded, started a coup to topple the government, or financed sedition, in 52 countries around the world.
They have backed right wing civilian and military dictators against the will of the people, and they have toppled democratically elected governments.
In their own back yard of Central America they are responsible for the deaths of millions of people, in an effort to maintain instability.
In Vietnam the US staged a phony attack as an excuse to invade, after the terms of a peace treaty was reneged on by the US, in collusion with the South Vietnamese government.Quote:
The situations in Southeast Asia (Viet Nam) as well as in the mideast (specifically Iraq, but many other Muslim countries as well) is directly attributable to British and French colonialism, and nothing else.
In Korea the US ignored warnings not to cross the 38th parrallel, but, being the US they ignored this and got their arse kicked by the Chinese, only stopping complete humiliation by threatening to use nukes.
All this, and more, all over the world.
And yet, when Germany invaded Poland the US did nothing, when they should have done the right thing and declared war.
Had they done so, the war would have been over in two to three years, and the holocaust would not have happened.
If the holocaust hadn't happened we wouldn't have had the mass exodus to Palestine and the mess there now.
After the war the US secured their supply of Middle East oil by backing, militarily, the despotic, thieving regimes that are still stealing the oil wealth from their people. This in turn led to 9\11 and the chaos we see now.Quote:
Literally every current problem extant in that region can be traced back to the attempted subjugation of Islamic peoples by European colonialists.
American style!Quote:
This is one-hundred percent true fact.
This thread is getting way out of hand.
There are some very interesting argumnets from many points of view and indeed they are all partly true.
The thread is entitled "Will the US or Israel attack Iran"
The answer is, they should do, but in a limited fashion, with plenty of warning.
Regards
Digby
Any attack on Iran could lead to a major conflict. So I would say no.
Those who advocate attacking Iran should state under which rules they base this on,
Iran has broken no laws, international or otherwise.
To just attack a country because you don't like what they are doing, or what you think they are doing, is totally wrong.
If anyone attacks Iran, I hope the response from them is swift and deadly, and their response will be legal, unlike the attacker.
Look at the countries with nukes, US, Russia, Ukraine, China, UK, France, Israel, North Korea, India, Pakistan, and possibly South Africa and Brazil.
What right have any of those counties to tell Iran what it can do?
If Israel doesn't want it's neighbours to have nukes they should get rid of theirs, join the IAEA, and allow inspectors in.
Not to be nitpicking or nothing, but if it hadn't been for America, the Japanese hadn't been in WW2 to begin with, according to some.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4The Holocaust happened in Europe, and is the fault of the entire European community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
WWI was a European affair, caused entirely by European stupidity.
WWII was a by-product of an idiotic document called the Versailles Treaty, the punitive aspects of which caused socio-economic distress in Germany, giving rise to Hitler, and authored by a vengeful European community, led by France.
The situations in Southeast Asia (Viet Nam) as well as in the mideast (specifically Iraq, but many other Muslim countries as well) is directly attributable to British and French colonialism, and nothing else.
Literally every current problem extant in that region can be traced back to the attempted subjugation of Islamic peoples by European colonialists.
I mean, hell, you can't even blame the formation of the state of Israel on the U.S.
This is one-hundred percent true fact.
Disclaimer:
This post is the product of a lifetime of fact-gathering, undiluted by googling.
Right off the top of my head, honest.
In the eighteen-hundreds, 1854 mainly, the U.S. "persuaded" Japan to engage in trading, by putting up a wee show of power, with ironclads and such. This is seen by some as a turning point for japan, as they turned from an isolationist policy, to an expansionist one, or somesuch, when they realised that the outside world could pose a threat.
In all fairness tho', the people making the decisions back in 1854 weren't the same people who were around during WWII, but nor do I reckon that everyone involved in WWI or setting up that treaty were making decisions in WWII.
The serb who kicked the first war off sure wasn't around :dabs:
EDit: speaking of bad decisions, and making your own bed, I mean.
I totally agree...i was monitoring this thread for a long time! it s very interesting for me when i see how easily some people argue about some other nation 's future!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
attacking iran means bombing people also means killing people! which people!? those who happens to live by the strategic areas...They will die just because someone in USA does not like thier government to be armed with possible Nuclear weapons! yeh lets kill em in advance just in case they go crazy in future and deicide to kill some Westerners!
The argument about Iran is valid. However, I don't anyone who advocates going to war with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by kayvanblueI totally agree...i was monitoring this thread for a long time! it s very interesting for me when i see how easily some people argue about some other nation 's future!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
attacking iran means bombing people also means killing people! which people!? those who happens to live by the strategic areas...They will die just because someone in USA does not like thier government to be armed with possible Nuclear weapons! yeh lets kill em in advance just in case they go crazy in future and deicide to kill some Westerners!
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Originally Posted by Busyman™
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Originally Posted by digmen1
Most of the countries in the UN had nothing to do with the war. The Security Council has five permanent members, only one of which, Britain, fought Hitler for six years.Quote:
Originally Posted by digmen1
I take it you didn't pass your history exams. :)
The US won't attack Iran. They'll have Israel do it for them.
no way
A follower of Stephen Grasse? As far as I can make out he believes Britain was even responsible for Katrina.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4The Holocaust happened in Europe, and is the fault of the entire European community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ava Estelle
WWI was a European affair, caused entirely by European stupidity.
WWII was a by-product of an idiotic document called the Versailles Treaty, the punitive aspects of which caused socio-economic distress in Germany, giving rise to Hitler, and authored by a vengeful European community, led by France.
The situations in Southeast Asia (Viet Nam) as well as in the mideast (specifically Iraq, but many other Muslim countries as well) is directly attributable to British and French colonialism, and nothing else.
Literally every current problem extant in that region can be traced back to the attempted subjugation of Islamic peoples by European colonialists.
I mean, hell, you can't even blame the formation of the state of Israel on the U.S.
This is one-hundred percent true fact.
Disclaimer:
This post is the product of a lifetime of fact-gathering, undiluted by googling.
Right off the top of my head, honest.
He better watch out though, we've got another butterfly. :yup:
Sorry for the late response btw, I was unfortunately stuck in sunny Spain for a week.
Don't know this Grasse fellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by lynxA follower of Stephen Grasse? As far as I can make out he believes Britain was even responsible for Katrina.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
He better watch out though, we've got another butterfly. :yup:
Sorry for the late response btw, I was unfortunately stuck in sunny Spain for a week.
Sunny Spain, eh?
That is unfortunate...for the rest of us.
Drinks were on you, too. :(
only fool will do that and both of bosh and olmart are so u can expext any thing iam egypthian and i dont want iserail do that couz they may got pomped with some nucks and of course we will damge so i hope that olmart dont do any thing dumyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
So Iran's a target, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by 100%
Sounds like faulty intelligence to me.
That sounds a little too much like, "Famous Last Words," j2k34 :)
That would be incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by thewizeard
It should sound like the pure smart-ass that it is. ;)
Middle East is full of oil and a good friend of China the upcoming superpower.
Now is a good time to steal all that oil away from China.
Considering the history China has with the West in about 50 years when they overpower pretty much the whole of the West alone they won't be so friendly me thinks.
Good time to grab resources, thats your war on terror.
Was any of that intended to be taken seriously? :ermm:Quote:
Originally Posted by macking
In any case, as I mentioned earlier, it would certainly be a fool that attacks Iran. I immediately thought, Bush, as he seems to fit that description, after the capture of British Troops, today, it could be Blair after all ...
And if Iran attacks, say, Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by thewizeard
Possible but I don't think any of the sides have tired of the annoying poking and prodding stuff yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4And if Iran attacks, say, Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by thewizeard
What if Israel attacks Iran first?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4And if Iran attacks, say, Israel?Quote:
Originally Posted by thewizeard
:O I have a bQuote:
Originally Posted by bigboabWhat if Israel attacks Iran first?Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
yeicycle :huh: