FTN Gets Rid of Ratios.

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Originally Posted by fstemon

More like level 4... I see I'm in minority here. No ratio = bad. I sure hope the trackers I frequently use don't do something like this because I would stop using them.

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Originally Posted by TheDude

I must say that I dont think it will be working... but you must admire the FTN staff of being innovative!

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How is this innovative? The first torrent trackers didn't have ratios. The Pirate Bay is also free leech.

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the thing you dont get is that ftn is tight knit enough for it to work. it would be a disastor on lesser sites that have a problem already with hit & runners users refusing to seed ect. ftn is a VERY close community.

Great news, and on FTN it will work, since FTN is a great site and people will still want to be good users.

It's pretty simple, if people misuse it i.e. limit their upload speed and remove every torrent as fast as possible, they may just feel the consequences and be left without an account.

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Originally Posted by sert

it is innovative because it is the first private tracker without ratio

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Not really. Like I said earlier, revolt never pays attention to users ratio. We actually got rid of the display of ratio altogether for about 3-4 months until members were asking what their ratio was on a frequent basis.

Do you have to seed 36hrs. straight or can it be 2hrs. in the morning, 2hrs. in the afternoon, 1hr at night... etc.?

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Originally Posted by LorD.MeXiCaN

yeah is a good idea. maybe ftn will be level 11:D

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Shut up trader

lol :P

as long as you seed for the full 36 hours ,you are obeying the rules, the seeding does not have to be done all at once.

If I could download all my stuff from the one tracker without ruining a ratio i'd be more than happy to seed back all I could, think it's great idea. In a tight community it can work, as long as the uploaders are okay with it too.

it is indeed quite original, i can't see it work at trackers with a large amount of users like torrentleech for example... and keeping the seeding rules is what they need to keep it organized...

good luck to all users of ftn ;)

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Originally Posted by enviouz

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Originally Posted by fstemon

More like level 4... I see I'm in minority here. No ratio = bad. I sure hope the trackers I frequently use don't do something like this because I would stop using them.



How is this innovative? The first torrent trackers didn't have ratios. The Pirate Bay is also free leech.

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the thing you dont get is that ftn is tight knit enough for it to work. it would be a disastor on lesser sites that have a problem already with hit & runners users refusing to seed ect. ftn is a VERY close community.

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Not slamming FTN or the concept of the idea...
But TBH... Im more of the confused type like skizo...
(Sorry to say this yes... im somewhat agreeing with skizo for once hehehe)
The idea behind it seems to have swapped meanings/interpretations quite a few times along the way.
For example... people are all like YEAH FREE LEECH WE CAN HIT AND RUN... then next page over you hear people talking about the community being real tight and hip and everyone wants to seed... obviously everyone does not want to seed if they were just gloating about freeleech. In the long run its not free leech even though you think it is. Cause freeleech is not 1:1 or 36 hrs. I think the only things that will come of this system is it will encourage people not to use cheat clients, will encourage people to just grab files at will and set their clients to 2k outgoing for 36hrs. Will be less speed for users cause everyone will more than likely just be throttling their speeds. (Just my opinion)
Those users with ubber speeds who rent seedboxes and stuff to maintain ratios will no longer need to do so... so there will be less speed just there..

Then the topic of Downloads / Uploads / Ratios were removed from the site... you contradict your statement there... you said staff can still see them... obviously if they are visible to ANYONE then they are still being tracked. And if they are still being tracked then their is still intentions of enforcing the low ratio/hitrun rules. If those fields can still be seen then they really werent deleted as they have been said they were. Obviously if the rule of 1:1 still applies they are still keeping track of ratios...

A better way to word it IMOP would be... "Ratios are pointless and thus we have them hidden." <<< Which would probably clearup more questions.

All the power to you brandon for attempting to try something new out... hope it works out well for you guys..
But I really dont see the logic behind it.
(Other than getting people to download more files.)
If you were merely looking for more people to jump on the files I would have set them for free for the first 4 - 6 hrs of their life and then have them marked with normal ratio rules. This would encourage people to grab them off you guys before anywhere else and then continue to encourage people to seed at the same time.

we will see what will happen :)

yeah, great experiment, cheers to brandon :) with such closed community it was this or open signups i suppose :)
if i recall correctly torrent protocol father always bitched about private sites and their ratio rule. i was interested to see if anything will pop up that will keep people seeding torrents for months now that ratio incentive is gone, but obviously that's not ftn's goal. anyway, cool move :yup:

I loved this news the first second I saw them.
FINALLY someone have the guts to actually do this, I've waited so long.

This is truly revolutionary, and I salute the FTN staff for being so brave, trusting their members and the community enough to do this.

Let's just hope ppl actually do seed, and not cap their upload cause of this, I still want the site to be as fast as it can <3

Salute! :wub:
-Vidde <3

its very great move from FTN

i hope all sites remove the ratio limit

It's all the same, besides the fact, that you won't see your ratio anymore. What's so good about it? Anyone cares to explain?

I'm not going to go into detail because I don't want to ruin the surprise.. But I've said it elsewhere so I might as well hint it here also. WE ARE NOT FINISHED IMPLEMENTING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

Those of you worried about seed boxes, or seeders... Trust me, I have that covered. There will be benefits of seeding as well as leeching, so both worlds will mesh quite well when we're finished.

We have a userbase maximum of 6k users. If you do not like our new system and wish to not be a part of it, please feel free to pm me on site and I will be more than happy to open another slot for someone who wishes to take advantage of what's going to come out of all of this. Once we hit 6k users, that's it. There will be no raising the limit. I can assure you, there will be plenty more users who wish to appreciate what we offer.

And FYI, it's only been a day and things are already going in a much better direction than they were. You guys need to be more optimistic about things and not criticize something just because it's new and or different.

The next phase of this project will unravel something else that has not been done on a torrent site before and will only make this system even more exciting.

Let the man do his job and finish what he has started and in the long run we'll see the results and then we can comment. Also if things don't turn out to be as expected (which I seriously doubt) new actions can be taken. There's no reason to be afraid to do something new and different. I really admire the staff's courage. :wub:

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Originally Posted by Melvinmeow

...In the long run its not free leech even though you think it is. Cause freeleech is not 1:1 or 36 hrs...

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Exactly, Freeleech is not Freeseed - that's why you have to seed back whatever you download (in FTN, 1:1 or 36 hours).

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Originally Posted by Brandon

And FYI, it's only been a day and things are already going in a much better direction than they were. You guys need to be more optimistic about things and not criticize something just because it's new and or different.

The next phase of this project will unravel something else that has not been done on a torrent site before and will only make this system even more exciting.

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I've never seen many leechers and seeders in so many torrents in FTN until yesterday... And you should've expected a lot of criticism coming. :D Just can't wait for the surprise. I hope it'd be like a monthly lottery for a free iPhone. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Brandon

I'm not going to go into detail because I don't want to ruin the surprise.. But I've said it elsewhere so I might as well hint it here also. WE ARE NOT FINISHED IMPLEMENTING THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

Those of you worried about seed boxes, or seeders... Trust me, I have that covered. There will be benefits of seeding as well as leeching, so both worlds will mesh quite well when we're finished.

We have a userbase maximum of 6k users. If you do not like our new system and wish to not be a part of it, please feel free to pm me on site and I will be more than happy to open another slot for someone who wishes to take advantage of what's going to come out of all of this. Once we hit 6k users, that's it. There will be no raising the limit. I can assure you, there will be plenty more users who wish to appreciate what we offer.

And FYI, it's only been a day and things are already going in a much better direction than they were. You guys need to be more optimistic about things and not criticize something just because it's new and or different.

The next phase of this project will unravel something else that has not been done on a torrent site before and will only make this system even more exciting.

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i hope it's nothing bad :fear:

Just a thought for the skeptics this is intended to bring more activity to the site, therefore instead of the speeds dropping as some stated, because there's not a need to maintain a good ratio, the speeds might actually increase simply because there are more leechers who have to obey the rules. Also there are probably going to be implemented new scripts to trace those who are capping their connection and are abusing of this new system.

No comment on the above statement.. *clears throat*

Anyways, the next phase will be something pretty damn cool IMO. But I'm a technical person so I find all that stuff neat, but it'll be very useful and very efficient and personally if I was in a user position I think it would be a sweet little perk to have for only having to seed back what I took :P

is this same as the ftn free leech acc

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Originally Posted by inacxch

is this same as the ftn free leech acc

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No. However that account will be able to take advantage of this more than the others will.


edit: er not sure if that was aimed at my previous post or at the topic in general..

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Originally Posted by fstemon

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Originally Posted by sert

it is innovative because it is the first private tracker without ratio

what has thepiratebay do with it? LOL

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If they're innovative, then so is The Pirate Bay and all the first trackers. No ratio used. Ratio was added because people never seeded back what they took. Adding ratio is innovative, removing ratio is not.

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:rolleyes: Removing ratio and keeping download speed fast and torrents well seeded is something new, innovative, never happened before :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Brandon

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Originally Posted by inacxch

is this same as the ftn free leech acc

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No. However that account will be able to take advantage of this more than the others will.


edit: er not sure if that was aimed at my previous post or at the topic in general..

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just asked becoz of thread u made about free leech acc :D

What thread is that? :huh:

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Originally Posted by beat

What thread is that? :huh:

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http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...account-226327

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Originally Posted by Brandon

No comment on the above statement.. *clears throat*

Anyways, the next phase will be something pretty damn cool IMO. But I'm a technical person so I find all that stuff neat, but it'll be very useful and very efficient and personally if I was in a user position I think it would be a sweet little perk to have for only having to seed back what I took :P

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invites for seeding?

Great move by FTN staff, way to go! :) Not a member there, but hope that this way they can mantain (or even improve) the quality of the tracker! Go ahead and leech (but also SEED as much as possible!), lucky members! :)

lol FTN staff are TEH BEST EVEHHHHH

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Originally Posted by ADELA

invites for seeding?

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Brandon already said that once the userbase hits 6k there will be no more slots, and right now a lot of members have invites so there's really no need to hand out invites.

Wow, maybe I'll start using my FTN account now. Thanks Brandon!

FTN leading the way

cant wait to get there....

WOW, it is real.
Wonderful, long life FTN>
Will this state last forever or for few month or year?
THANX

I can see that that the leeching state is improved and the seeding state is greatly improved and both state will be unbelievable in about 2 days.

good thing who needs ratios but you still have to 1:1 or 36h

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Originally Posted by sert

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Originally Posted by fstemon

If they're innovative, then so is The Pirate Bay and all the first trackers. No ratio used. Ratio was added because people never seeded back what they took. Adding ratio is innovative, removing ratio is not.

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:rolleyes: Removing ratio and keeping download speed fast and torrents well seeded is something new, innovative, never happened before :rolleyes:

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yes it happened before, ask Wild ;)
anyway he won't tell you...

Cool idea, would be great if other sites did it too.

Not to steal any thunder, but again, it's not new.

posted by a revolt member 114 weeks ago:

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Umm... maybe im blind but im not seeing a listing of my current ratio anymore.
Anyone else having this problem or must i be downloading to see it now? :blink:

All it shows is Power User, but i thought at one time there was an actual ratio that was shown, maybe im trippin' hell i dunno

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We could show ratios but then we get everyone saying how hard it is to seed here or we get those "look at my ratio" type threads. We also get people worrying that they are about to be banned. Don't worry about ratio, just seed fairly and you'll be fine :)

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It is good to see others relying less on ratio, and I'm curious to see what the next part is, but this part is not new.

I love it.. love the staff (esp. Brandon ofcourse).. love FTN:wub:

Hats off to FTN, definitely leading the way - will be interesting to see how it turns out and what the new phases will be.

Even though am not a member, but won't this affect torrent retention cuz there would no necessity to seed beyond 36 hrs and could well result in torrents goin dead within a couple of days.