Don't Give Up On Vista

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

Does it have built-in drivers for m-audio firewire soundcards, like?

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what model card is that ?

Linux actually supports far more hardware than windows. The problem is the latest and greatest hardware is rarely released with Linux drivers so it takes a while for the community to produce them, test them and fix the bugs.

hopefully all this is starting to change since Dell, HP and other manufacturers are shipping Linux pre installed with machines. If your hardware does not have reliable Linux drivers these days you are going to miss out on millions of potential sales.

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Originally Posted by fstrulz

FREE

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Your a fucking cawk...fekk off :)

Stop blathering on about linux...It's good, but XP is way better at the moment if you want functionality (I use all those free apps you mentioned on windows) And 4 thousand other things run too...Why don't you go back to sucking cawk and trading invites you scum. :)

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Originally Posted by 4play

Linux actually supports far more hardware than windows.

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I'm afraid you will have to provide some evidence of that, or I will have to suggest you are talking out of your arse.

Not saying you're wrong or anything. However my own searches for linux drivers have led me to the opinion that there is a dearth or them. Whereas it seems untenable to suggest that very many hardware manufacturers would produce equipment without a Windows driver.

linux doesnt support msn or yahoo webcams . that sucks

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Originally Posted by Sextent

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Originally Posted by 4play

Linux actually supports far more hardware than windows.

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I'm afraid you will have to provide some evidence of that, or I will have to suggest you are talking out of your arse.

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A fresh Ubuntu install recognizes all of my hardware save the X-fi soundcard.
If I default to the onboard AC97 sound, Ubuntu will pick that up automatically.
I can't deny that I find that impressive.

Creative makes a Linux driver but only for 64-bit OS so I'd have to reinstall to try it.
Not to mention figure out how a driver gets installed in Ubuntu...no clue, ATM.

Myths, Lies, and Truths about the Linux kernel

Im currently showing a few of my sisters how to use open office, pidgin and amarok. so far they have had no problems. granted i spent about 2 hours getting the machine to a state that they could just login an everything works.

Supporting more "out of the box" is not the same as there being more linux drivers available for a wider range of hardware. Even if that is true.

Windows does not need to provide a specific driver for every piece of hardware because the manufacturer already does that. Always. Since they designed and built the hardware their engineers are the best people to write the driver to make it work.

The problem I have with linux is that if it doesn't allow me access to the internet then I can't even go looking for the drivers I need.

I would consider not being able to access the internet through wi-fi a complete show stopper for you trying out Linux. It was the same for me quite a while ago, i installed suse 8.0 only to find that my 56k modem was not support.

Like i said before this problem is slowly correcting itself where manufacturers are being forced to produce their own drivers for Linux or open up their specs so the community can make them or face missing out on an ever increasing market.

Vista has had a very similar problem where they have made changes that have broken old drivers. lots of manufacturers cant be arsed to spend the money to write new drivers for older hardware since they are not gonna see any return.

although Ubuntu may be different somewhat but the look and the feel is complete rip off the windows, unlike mac which is a totally different type, i used the latest version of ubuntu i found no different on how it explorers and portrait, this alone shows the willingnesses of using windows among computer users so they made something same but different in infrastructure .

And FSTrulz pls stop saying its free, we here at FST anyway dont pay for any software to use atleast not for windows, so it doesn't make any different whether ubuntu is free or not.
and stop saying about drivers being installed instantly on linux, did at any time a standard hardware didnt response on windows, i have quite a lot of USB/external and internal hardwares and non of them ever gave me any problem with installing on vista not to mention XP.
unless you use all chines HW which have no windows support whom btw dont last long you wont have problem with drivers on windows.
graphics and audio drivers come with both OS's by default but their not much a use on both so anyway you must get manufacturer's driver which in linux case is a non official driver.

software range which linux has is nothing compare to windows not to mention gaming which is almost zero, and please dont talk of work around to install windows stuff on linux, we use computer so it do our work not we do its.
simplicity is something which modern OS's are offering more and more and linux is creating more and more workarounds.

security is one thing ubuntu users may be proud of it, well people not using linux much is what make it safe and out of hackers radar, its not worth the time to waste and not getting to newspapers headlines.
personally i think staying away from unnecessary sites and p2p application is enough to protect yourself.

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i forgot about vista...
am using it since the release and so far i have no problem, may be some minor application crash but this is always the case with new versions, not only windows but any software, it takes some time till they are fixed, my guess would be SP1, apart from that there is no issue.
its not much a resources hogger if you have atleast a 2Gb ram(600 or 800), and imo if some1 in today cant have that much ram then its a waste to have a computer. i have 2gb and what vista uses with all function on and lots of background application and addons(StarDoc) running it uses 800Mb of my ram.

I agree with pretty much everything BawA said there.

Apart from him saying fstrulz is a cunt. I think he's just a bit zealous in his proselytizing.

I'm sure both sides of the argument have had fair points made during this thread but have you considered this - windows sucks hairy poo stained monkey bawls? :smilie4:

Much as you have obviously put a lot of effort into that I just can't accept it.

Windows is worth every penny I paid for it.

no you are.

:snooty:

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mulder

no you are.

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You always fall back on that argument. It's just so obvious.

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Originally Posted by 4play

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

Does it have built-in drivers for m-audio firewire soundcards, like?

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what model card is that ?

Linux actually supports far more hardware than windows. The problem is the latest and greatest hardware is rarely released with Linux drivers so it takes a while for the community to produce them, test them and fix the bugs.

hopefully all this is starting to change since Dell, HP and other manufacturers are shipping Linux pre installed with machines. If your hardware does not have reliable Linux drivers these days you are going to miss out on millions of potential sales.

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Firewire Audiophile.

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Originally Posted by Sextent

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mulder

no you are.

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You always fall back on that argument. It's just so obvious.

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a bit like your face then innit, which linux has plenty of drivers for

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Originally Posted by Mr. Mulder

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Originally Posted by Sextent

You always fall back on that argument. It's just so obvious.

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a bit like your face then innit, which linux has plenty of drivers for

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Yeah, your arse and my face.

yeah you'd like that wouldn't you, whore.

I'd like it alright ... like it like a fox.

touché, good Sir :eyebrows:

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

Firewire Audiophile.

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from what i have read just update the firmware with the latest version on the official site. then if your running a debian based linux distro.

apt-get update && apt-get install -t experimental jackd
jackd -d freebob

should work then.

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Originally Posted by 4play

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Originally Posted by Proper Bo

Firewire Audiophile.

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from what i have read just update the firmware with the latest version on the official site. then if your running a debian based linux distro.

apt-get update && apt-get install -t experimental jackd
jackd -d freebob

should work then.

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Quality, there was me thinking double clicking the exe for the drivers on windaes was a pissabout.

Or indeed Windows rather politely noting that you appeared to have a new piece of hardware and enquiring if it could possibly be so bold as to request your permission to install it for you.

Indeed if Sir required it Windows would search the internets to ensure that you had the most up to date drivers.

It wasn't quite that simple with mine, like, I had to download the xp drivers and ewse those.

I have no objection to trying it.... a finger in every pie is my way
if pie goes bad remove finger
hand is safe :)

whoops

MS isn't so bad, their tech support is great.
Using live assist they installed a number of request only hot fixes so that files would delete faster for me in Vista. Things where hanging for some reason before.

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Originally Posted by Broken

MS isn't so bad, their tech support is great.
Using live assist they installed a number of request only hot fixes so that files would delete faster for me in Vista. Things where hanging for some reason before.

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Posts 1337.

1338 now

No it isn't.

It was, all well. Nothing last forever.

The bush signature is sarcastic right?
At least I hope it is. :huh:

We'll see.
Gotta be careful now adays, NSA and all.

After all, we are at war and all civil liberties have been suspended.



I mean,
Heil Bush!

T. Roosevelt was shot for trying to run for a "third term."

Then I imagine more people should be supporting Bush for another term, yes?
Can he count on your vote?

http://www.forumspile.com/Misc-I_see..._did_there.jpg

I was always under the impression that it was 2 and that's yer lot.

Third term not an option.

lol.
That's OK. He's already proven he doesn't need votes to win anyways.
It just keeps the people happy to have an election every once in awhile.

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Originally Posted by Sextent

I was always under the impression that it was 2 and that's yer lot.

Third term not an option.

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If you go by the Constitution, sure.
But we know better than that, don't we.