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Do you believe the crime fits the supposed punishiment.
Do you believe there isn't a better solution such at those suggested at...
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php
Do you believe the artist is losing income due to file sharing.
Do you believe they lost income due to radio and vcrs as well...
Or did radio and other medias they claimed as the enemy actually help them profit.
Do you believe the AA is justified in their assult on the public...
Then make sure you don't let your friend borrow that new DVD you got.
Throw away your VCR, your Betamax, your DAT, your Tape Deck, turn off your Radio.
Oh, and according to the folks at the AA your CDR is the the enemy, throw it away.
Might as well chuck your Computer while your at it along with all Technology.
Oh, and by the way it is NOT stealing on any level, it is refered to as copyright infringement.
Also the idea, or thought, of it being distrubution is also now being challanged by the Jane Doe case...
Read http://zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/08132003c.php.
As for blaming them, I only blame them for being ignorant fools for 100 years.Quote:
"Distribution implies sending, rather than leaving something where it may be taken,"
With the mentallity of being a common street thug running an insurance racket.
I think the idea of "Copyproof" is where they have some brains working for them.
The only thing I wish to be accomplished is an end to the madness and kaos...
That is subject to the Public, the ISP's, the Courts, and...
Also Our Right To Privacy.
Hey REALITY. Good for U. Stealing. don't think so!!! Hey letter of the law. heh heh. Maybe I'm off. But heres another view. I have bought music since 1965. I've bought videos since 1990? Of course various Media. it wasn't called media then. But My understanding is the purchase includes a license. How many times do I have to pay for a license? My vinyl collection was 370 plus way back when. Then there was 8track and cassette, then there was CD. How many times do I have pay for it? The same stuff!
OK OK I paid for it 2-3 times same songs same sh*t. And I hear it free on radio. And I pay & play it in the jukebox. I pay and pay. enough. ENOUGH.
IM BROKE.
First off - I respect your intelligent response, as opposed to what I expected from some of the self righteous venom spewers we find here. Here is my response to yours.Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY@15 August 2003 - 03:33
Do you believe the crime fits the supposed punishiment.
Do you believe there isn't a better solution such at those suggested at...
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php
Do you believe the artist is losing income due to file sharing.
Do you believe they lost income due to radio and vcrs as well...
Or did radio and other medias they claimed as the enemy actually help them profit.
Do you believe the AA is justified in their assult on the public...
Then make sure you don't let your friend borrow that new DVD you got.
Throw away your VCR, your Betamax, your DAT, your Tape Deck, turn off your Radio.
Oh, and according to the folks at the AA your CDR is the the enemy, throw it away.
Might as well chuck your Computer while your at it along with all Technology.
Oh, and by the way it is NOT stealing on any level, it is refered to as copyright infringement.
Also the idea, or thought, of it being distrubution is also now being challanged by the Jane Doe case...
Read http://zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/08132003c.php.
As for blaming them, I only blame them for being ignorant fools for 100 years.Quote:
"Distribution implies sending, rather than leaving something where it may be taken,"
With the mentallity of being a common street thug running an insurance racket.
I think the idea of "Copyproof" is where they have some brains working for them.
The only thing I wish to be accomplished is an end to the madness and kaos...
That is subject to the Public, the ISP's, the Courts, and...
Also Our Right To Privacy.
1) The punishment fits the crime. If you knowingly take the risk of copyright infringement (yes, it is stealing), then whose fault is it if you get caught and have to pay the price. There is no punishment if you don't do it.
2)I don't know - I haven't visited that site yet.
3)Yes, they are losing income due to file sharing. You know that. Or you should know that. And they should not lose income. There are more than the artists involved here. Many people work at producing these products. Not all get rich, but it is how they make a living. I am tired, too, of people complaining how the record companies and artists make too much money. It's the classic success envy. They don't make money by forcing people to buy what they don't want to buy. They make it by successfully creating something people want. And success deserves reward. If you don't believe that, stop by the produce market to pick up some fresh grapes. Those sour ones are doing you no good.
4)Radio play is different. It is desired by the producers of music. They hope it leads to record sales. Someone hears a song they like and want to hear the whole CD. In order to do that, they are supposed to buy it. It keeps the music industry running. What good is it to them if people just download the music for free? How do they benefit?
5) The RIAA is not assaulting the public. They are trying to force them to respect the existing copyright laws. If they asked nicely, would anyone stop? No. So they are taking the necessary steps to represent those who produce the music we so enjoy. Again, it's not just the rich artists we are talking about here.
Letting your friend listed to a CD is different than saying, "Here is a CD for ALL of you who want it. Now you don't have to buy it!" With all due respect, and I do respect your position (just disagree), you know that there is a difference.
6) Throwing away my computer is a little rash, don't you think? The music industry was not concerned about an individual making a copy for themself or a friend. What happened was they were blindsided by the leap in P2P technology and recognized a threat to the rights of those who produce music to be compensated. As an artist, who makes a living at it, I would be livid if someone made a copy of my work and gave it out to thousands of people for free! I would be forced to go into another line of work. Having my work hang in a museum where people can view it without buying it is the equivalent of a musician having their music played on the radio where people could here it without paying for it. Like the musician, I would hope that the exposure would lead to more commissions.
And I sure as hell would be rooting for whatever agency took the steps to protect my rights to be compensated for what I do.
Lastly, the difference between active distribution and making something available for anyone to steal? (Jane Doe case) That's just lawyers bending words, as they do all too well. The end result is the same.
Do you even know what the suggested punishment is?Quote:
1) The punishment fits the crime. If you knowingly take the risk of copyright infringement (yes, it is stealing), then whose fault is it if you get caught and have to pay the price. There is no punishment if you don't do it.
Well its $150,00 per song uploaded.
Look, it may open your eyes.Quote:
2)I don't know - I haven't visited that site yet.
Why is it not shown on their income/loss statements, its a lie, they are NOT.Quote:
3)Yes, they are losing income due to file sharing. You know that. Or you should know that. And they should not lose income. There are more than the artists involved here. Many people work at producing these products. Not all get rich, but it is how they make a living. I am tired, too, of people complaining how the record companies and artists make too much money.
This appears to be about power and control more than about money.
Many artist are openly saying that they HAVE profited directly due to filesharing.
The ones making a living that may suffer is the exutes nephew on an open payroll.
I don't care how much they make, and as I've said, anyonyone that spews that carap, needs to shutup.
I could easily argue that point, you listen, you like, you buy.Quote:
4)Radio play is different. It is desired by the producers of music. They hope it leads to record sales. Someone hears a song they like and want to hear the whole CD. In order to do that, they are supposed to buy it. It keeps the music industry running. What good is it to them if people just download the music for free? How do they benefit?
Perhaps tell a freind and get a shirt or a poster or go see the show.
Point is these idiots tried to shut down radio as well, do you homework.
They though it was the enemy as well at one time.
Pure ASSULT through the manipulation of the DCMA and its originally intended purpose.Quote:
5) The RIAA is not assaulting the public. They are trying to force them to respect the existing copyright laws. Letting your friend listed to a CD is different than saying, "Here is a CD for ALL of you who want it. Now you don't have to buy it!" With all due respect, and I do respect your position (just disagree), you know that there is a difference.
ASSULT on the Public, the ISP's, the Courts and so forth without care for a solution.
Read number two as stated earlier, they neglect to want to resolve anything.
This is why this appears to be a clear cut case of power and control.
My REAL position is THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.
The RIAA did NOT try and put a stop to radio play. It is too easy to make unvalidated statements here. Show me where you got this information. This taints your argument and you should drop that point if you want to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY@16 August 2003 - 04:09
Why is it not shown on their income/loss statements, its a lie, they are NOT.Quote:
3)Yes, they are losing income due to file sharing. You know that. Or you should know that. And they should not lose income. There are more than the artists involved here. Many people work at producing these products. Not all get rich, but it is how they make a living. I am tired, too, of people complaining how the record companies and artists make too much money.
This appears to be about power and control more than about money.
Many artist are openly saying that they HAVE profited directly due to filesharing.
The ones making a living that may suffer is the exutes nephew on an open payroll.
I don't care how much they make, and as I've said, anyonyone that spews that carap, needs to shutup.
I could easily argue that point, you listen, you like, you buy.Quote:
4)Radio play is different. It is desired by the producers of music. They hope it leads to record sales. Someone hears a song they like and want to hear the whole CD. In order to do that, they are supposed to buy it. It keeps the music industry running. What good is it to them if people just download the music for free? How do they benefit?
Perhaps tell a freind and get a shirt or a poster or go see the show.
Point is these idiots tried to shut down radio as well, do you homework.
They though it was the enemy as well at one time.
Pure ASSULT through the manipulation of the DCMA and its originally intended purpose.Quote:
5) The RIAA is not assaulting the public. They are trying to force them to respect the existing copyright laws. Letting your friend listed to a CD is different than saying, "Here is a CD for ALL of you who want it. Now you don't have to buy it!" With all due respect, and I do respect your position (just disagree), you know that there is a difference.
ASSULT on the Public, the ISP's, the Courts and so forth without care for a solution.
Read number two as stated earlier, they neglect to want to resolve anything.
This is why this appears to be a clear cut case of power and control.
My REAL position is THE RIGHT TO PRIVACY.
It is not a case of power and control. It is a case of enforcement.
And how do you know what is shown on the income statements? It is none of your business anyway. The artists and recording companies own the rights to these songs. Even if they weren't losing money by pirates (and they are - why else would this be happening?), they have every right to prevent free distrubution. They own the rights! It's theirs! It belongs to them to do with what they wish! You do not own the rights. You can not dictate how the producers of this product distribute their product. I know you would like to, but legally, and morally, you can not.
And the RIAA has every right to use the methods necessary to track down the perpetrators that the perpetrators use to commit the offense.
Self righteousness is an ugly trait and indefensible.
Unfortunattly I got dumped off the board before finishing...
Not harsh at all, just making a point that they would prefer it that way.Quote:
6) Throwing away my computer is a little rash, don't you think? Like the musician, I would hope that the exposure would lead to more commissions.
They would make you if they could twsist an act such as the DCMA to their needs.
EXPOSURE, couldn't P2P acomplish that.
As so will I root for anyone defending my RIGHT TO PRIVACY.Quote:
And I sure as hell would be rooting for whatever agency took the steps to protect my rights to be compensated for what I do.
Bend away I say, as they are bending the DCMA to supenoa users identies without even a Court order or showing how they have even aquired the information they have gathered.Quote:
Lastly, the difference between active distribution and making something available for anyone to steal? (Jane Doe case) That's just lawyers bending words, as they do all too well. The end result is the same.
Well, Thanks.Quote:
First off - I respect your intelligent response
I will find the articles regarding others.
Awesome post REALITY. Very informative indeed.
However, I must point out that like every username on that bust list from TechTV was a Kazaa username. It seems to me that Kazaa is the entire focus of the RIAA, and I must question why there isnt at least one user (or something that infers a non Kazaa p2p user) that wasnt on Kazaa.
Frankly, with so much mp3 swaping via other p2p programs (WinMx is a biggie) I just dont understand the RIAA's entire Kazaa obsession.
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Originally posted by Mr.Maniotis+16 August 2003 - 14:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mr.Maniotis @ 16 August 2003 - 14:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> The RIAA did NOT try and put a stop to radio play. It is too easy to make unvalidated statements here. Show me where you got this information. This taints your argument and you should drop that point if you want to be taken seriously. [/b]
<!--QuoteBegin-EFF
Voluntary Collective Licensing
This is how the "problem" of radio was ultimately resolved (only after copyright owners gave up on trying to sue it out of existence, of course). A "performing rights organization" (PRO) was formed, songwriters and music publishers were invited to join, and blanket licenses were given to any and all radio stations that wanted them.[/quote]
I think the mentallity at the time was that people would listen to Radio and stop buying the music or perhaps something along those lines. If I am not mistaken there is a current campaign that has shut down, by bruteforce such as threat of lawsuits, some internet radio medias as well.
I think comes down to a matter of opinion, after their track record I guess you could say its enforcement at any avenue or chance they can get at perhaps. They've lost battles in the past, such as vcr, betamax, and so forth, and are setting themselves up again.Quote:
It is not a case of power and control. It is a case of enforcement.
Although I guess I should give them credit for manipulating and generating additional income through media such as CDR's which they get revenue for regardless of their use. I feel this may be their aggenda in the end regarding filesharing as well to extract additional income from sources such as the makers of P2P and ISP's through possible Bandwidth Levies. Truth is that could be considered FAIR.
I think they would've shown those losses publicly if it exsisted just to substantiate their point.Quote:
And how do you know what is shown on the income statements? You can not dictate how the producers of this product distribute their product. I know you would like to, but legally, and morally, you can not.
Also I'm not trying to dictate anything. This is clear cut case of REALITY, do you think think the actions they are taking are SANE, no they are INSANE, to try and sue countless millions of people overloading ISP's, Courts, and attempting to ruin peoples lives. There are better alternatives.
Technology changes, as it has in this case, and you don't adapt, well get lost. They had their chance to become a part of Napster when it was a centrilized system and possibly control and charge for the media going throug it, instead they chose to shut it down and create a bigger monster, KaZaa, a decentralized system.
If they continue this campaign, filesharing through animonity will flourish quickly, using proxies, bouncers, IP spoofing , and other means to hide users identies. There are thousands that are dedicated to creating this type of software. This will also give many who are involved in severe illegal activity a safe haven to hide as well. Point here is if you take down the beast, such as Napster, there is bigger one to come, such as KaZaa, and even bigger ones on the horizon. Some P2P applications are already using proxies and offering direct downloads of copyright material from their servers.
Perhaps, but as I've said there are better alternatives, CLEARLY.Quote:
And the RIAA has every right to use the methods necessary to track down the perpetrators that the perpetrators use to commit the offense.
I'm sorry, who is actually being self righteous here, I am only looking for a solution and an end to the madness and kaos, as I imagine Congrees will soon agree with as well, I know there is already some getting involed in looking for a solution.Quote:
Self righteousness is an ugly trait and indefensible.
Simple, Fast Track is the largest having 3 million plus user on at any time according to Slyck..Quote:
Originally posted by Digital Jammer@16 August 2003 - 16:12
Awesome post REALITY. Very informative indeed.
However, I must point out that like every username on that bust list from TechTV was a Kazaa username. It seems to me that Kazaa is the entire focus of the RIAA, and I must question why there isnt at least one user (or something that infers a non Kazaa p2p user) that wasnt on Kazaa.
Oh, And Thanks.
:( :( NO WAY!!!Quote:
And the RIAA has every right to use the methods necessary to track down the perpetrators that the perpetrators use to commit the offense.
@ Mr Maniotis, why are you even on this site if you are just going to stick up for the poor starving executives at the RIAA?
They are invading people's privacy.
They were given many chances to negotiate on a deal, but they refused so they should just stop whingeing!! They are only making it worse for themselves. They will never be able to stop filesharing, and if they try to shut one network down, many more will appear.
hey guys,
we have to share our thought openly to understand each other better.
ALSO OFFLINE!!! It is quite important in everyday life also if it is difficult sometimes :)
I would be glad to see a gread ad in tv about kazaa :) like:
"for a better world, for a better understanding.
- share your thoughts and your life. share files"
Or an ad in the newspaper or on the street, I mean the great ads close to
the highway :) nice, right? only a little bit expensive but WORTH!!!!
The other thing I am intersting in is meeting other Kazaa Users
in my area :) so who of you reading this is living in Nuremberg?
come one meet me :) write me here :)
hey in one article there was mentioned:
"ways to pay the artist"
:making p2p subscription service - i do not think is the good
idea cause we should share our thoughts openly :)
I know what you mean - but sharing is important :)
I ve tried ther rhapsody at audiogalaxy :) not bad but only usa :)
but another good OFFLINE payment method
MANY ARTISTS ARE PLAYING THERE MUSIC IN THE STREEET AND
BARS OF MY CITY AND LOCALLY AND DIRECTLY SELL THEIR MUSIC
ON THE STREET - IF YOU BUY DIRECTY AT THE ARTIST YOU CAN BE SURE
HE GET ALL THE MONEY AND MUSIC INDUSTRY NO PERECENTAGE :)
UNFORTUNATELY NOT ALL ARTISTS ARE PLAYING ON STREETS -
BUT SOME UNKNOWN NEW ARTIST ARE ALSO GOOD :)
iti is just an idea :)
thanks anyway, david.
For those That Sent Letters.
For Those Who Have Not Yet.
If You Live In The US You Must!!
From EFF...
For All Those Who Said Bullshit...Quote:
Dear EFF Supporter,
We've got some amazing news: EFF supporters like you sent over 25,000
letters to Congress to protest the RIAA's war on peer-to-peer (P2P) file-
sharing. Congress listened, and the rest of the country is waking up.
Senator Norm Coleman, the chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on
Investigations, has called for hearings to analyze the RIAA's deluge of
subpoenas. This is the first step in the right direction, so let's keep
the momentum going. Make sure that the RIAA isn't the only organization in
the room when the hard questions start coming; tell Congress that you want
the Electronic Frontier Foundation to represent your interests in the
hearings:
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2770
Our goal is to have over 100,000 letters delivered by the time of the
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Do Something.
I sent my letter also and sighned the petition on verified and if the hadden been charging so much for so many years there would be less need for p2p love k-lite its the best
sorry guys would have sent a letter in but congressmen dont recognise the uk as a state.....yet.lol
:angry:
I really hate all these people makin' laws and complaining about problems they almost don' t know.
records companies could surely find some way or another to solve the "problem" about downloading mp3s (for example CDs not playable in computers - I got one).
but still this is something THEY say: mp3 is a way to find music otherwise out of stock, rarities, vinil tracks unsuitable in digital format, and overmore is a way to preserve music memory.
I download music (not only that) but still I spend about 200 Euros each month in my music store, because if a music product is good I buy it because it deserves it.
on the other hand, no one can ask me to buy a CD where there are 2 good tracks and the rest is shit.
This is also a way to force people to give us better products.
They only give us products thinking about how much could they gain over our skin (thinkin' 'bout taxes and artists' rights) not thinkin' 'bout quality, and the prices get always higher.
talkin' 'bout artists' rights we have to know they get a very low percentage of the price we pay, mostly goes to people we would also like not to give them a cent.
:angry: :angry: :angry:
I said all this about music but we can apply same reasons to video sharing (I still go to the cinema almost every week, sometimes twice a week, even if I download movies) and also software sharing.
Stop increasing prices, there' s a limit to the money in the world, let us some!!!
You know what, that may be true, but you also have to remember that the US government is a representative government, which means everyone in office must represent the people of America. This means if more and more people support something (such as this), the elected official will eventually show support for the people's requests. If the elected official doesn't seem to represent the people who voted for him, he will loose their votes in the next election (and if that many people are using P2P, that could be a dangerously high number).Quote:
Originally posted by jakert50+26 July 2003 - 08:03--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jakert50 @ 26 July 2003 - 08:03)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-chalkmongoose@25 July 2003 - 23:27
Sorry guys, but I ain't gonna bother. I have other stuff to do, like stare at my wall. If you think that any member of congress is going to step up and say "giving money to big corporations is wrong" then you're living in the past.
So, instead of staring at your wall, why don't you try doing something and tell your elected official...the one who is representing you in courts and meetings and such...to stop this RIAA bullshit. I've had enough of it, and yes, my letter's in the mail.
You Democrats make me sick. But you know what? Don't change the subject. Just get your ass off the chair facing the wall and do something. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Bush has removed any chance of that.
hhahahahaa like they care wat the people thinx!!!
man once they are in office it becomes their own private aggenda!!! :blink:
This is the bottom line you guys:
These congress just wants money, all they really care is the donation they get from each company if they help them win.
I say if this is a real problem, why does the RIAA or the MPAA speak? can't the stars or the music artists talk for themselves? I mean we dont have to take this "bs" from the companies, and if the artists or the stars talk out, we can ask them.... How much do they earn when they are on TV? I mean, don't they make their money off of TV? Concerts? Etc.....
I really believe they just all need to just stfu and leave us the hell alone b/c what we do isn't a crime. It's call "common sense", they provide - we use! Isnt' that a survival trait? Last time I check, somethign must die to let other things live. I can't survive w/o no music, so these companies and corporations must die to let me live!
i dont know waht' saying.. babbling! lol just shut up haha
Just A Few Posts AboveQuote:
Originally posted by iHadYourMomLastNight@KaZaa@8 September 2003 - 22:51
hhahahahaa like they care wat the people thinx!!!
man once they are in office it becomes their own private aggenda!!! :blink:
Quote:
We've got some amazing news: EFF supporters like you sent over 25,000
letters to Congress to protest the RIAA's war on peer-to-peer (P2P) file-
sharing. Congress listened, and the rest of the country is waking up.
Senator Norm Coleman, the chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on
Investigations, has called for hearings to analyze the RIAA's deluge of
subpoenas. This is the first step in the right direction, so let's keep
the momentum going. Make sure that the RIAA isn't the only organization in
the room when the hard questions start coming; tell Congress that you want
the Electronic Frontier Foundation to represent your interests in the
hearings:
The joys of living in England. :D
I sent an email also! and signed the petition!
:ph34r: Hi Everyone!!!!!
Im announcing a boycott pertaining to the RIAA and their associated bodies based upon the news on music file swappers being sued by the music industry. Since the music industry is bold in suing, I can only think what next in this major invasion of privacy and rights??
Heres some facts to consider:
Informa Media Group forecasts that the value of global music sales will reach an estimated $45 billion by 2006! Which region is set to take the lion-share of the profits and how will online music impact the industry?
The Global Music Industry provides more than 300 pages of detailed analysis on the international music industry, assessing it current position and the possibilities for future growth. The report includes forecasts for all of the world's leading markets based on full year 2000 figures.
It doesn't sound like file swapping is doing too much damage, does it? People must still be buying those cd's, t-shirts, cassettes, concert tickets, etc.
A group online is calling for a nationwide boycott pertaining to music for one week. Starting September 21-27, 2003.
If they lost sales for 1 week it would cost them close to $865,384,615.00!
This would be a larger amount than all of their frivioulous lawsuits could ever regain. Sounds like some executives are getting greedy to me. Think about it, you can live without buying a cd or cassette for 1 week, right? I know many people who "file share" but I also know many people who do it just to preview the song before they buy a cd. Well, it's everyone's choice whether to join this group & boycott or not.
Remember the date is: September 21-27, 2003
Thanks!
Please forward this message to all of your friends
Need more info?
visit: www.msn.com www.usatoday.com www.abc.com www.techtv.com or your local news outlet.
[B]GODDAM RIGHT BIATCH THEY CANT TAKE OUR FUCKING MUSIC AWAY FROM US :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY@25 July 2003 - 10:23
As many of us as there are it seems clear how much power we have if brought together, I have realized many of us think the folks next door don't file share, that we are the only one on the block. We keep quiet about our P2P use.
Although I am starting to see after openly talking about P2P that almost everyone suddenly says "oh yea, I use KaZaa too" (KMD version unfortunately), even the folks I talk to at my ISP. Though we have been labeled criminals for loving music. This is now officially out of hand, with lists of usernames to be sued http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0...3484600,00.html.
If YOU care about any of this, then READ the following 3 items
There ARE other ways for the artist to get PAID
http://www.eff.org/share/compensation.php
There ARE simple legal solutions
http://www.eff.org/share/legal.php
FINALLY AND MOST OF ALL...
HERE IS WHERE YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE
http://action.eff.org/action/index.asp?ste...tep=2&item=2713
It doesn't get easier than this to take part and help put this to an end.
Special Thanks To All at EFF.
EFF Update
Just In case You Missed It...Quote:
Dear EFF Supporter:
This is astounding - in the first 24 hours, over 6,000 people have signed
our petition to stop the Recording Industry Association of America's (RIAA)
nationwide rampage against average Americans. Rather than working to
create a rational, legal means by which its customers can take advantage of
file-sharing technology and pay a fair price for the music they love, it
has chosen to sue people like Brianna LaHara, a 12 year-old girl living in
New York City public housing. Take a stand against the RIAA's tactics by
signing our petition:
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
Brianna, and hundreds of other music fans like her, are being forced to pay
thousands of dollars they do not have to settle RIAA-member lawsuits --
supporting a business model that is anything but rational. This crusade is
generating thousands of subpoenas and hundreds of lawsuits, but not a
single penny for the artists that the RIAA claims to protect.
Copyright law shouldn't make criminals out of 60 million Americans, and
it's time for a change. Congress is going to hold hearings; we need your
help to make sure that the public's voice is heard. Tell Congress that
it's time to stop the madness:
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
We'll deliver the petition to Congress once we've hit 10,000 signatures.
This is a grassroots campaign - please take the time to tell your friends
and family about this issue. Thanks for support!
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/.
I end up buying the damn cd anyway when I download files, they are crappy quality, and an inconvienence to listen to. Just buy the damn cds. They aren't that expencive.
I have no idea what your point is, other than to give in and bend over.Quote:
Originally posted by minchjp@14 September 2003 - 07:30
I end up buying the damn cd anyway when I download files, they are crappy quality, and an inconvienence to listen to. Just buy the damn cds. They aren't that expencive.
http://dock-command.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=287
How funny another board I'm part of brought this topic up.........
1. What does this have to with the topic you are resopnding to hereQuote:
Originally posted by randomthoughts@16 September 2003 - 01:47
http://dock-command.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=287
How funny another board I'm part of brought this topic up.........
2. I cannot believe you are actually a moderator at any fourm stating...
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the recording industry is at again....darn overpricing devils!
but seriously they are tryin to "witch hunt" again.....
just like in the first and last Napster Days...
261 ppl have lawsuits filed against them.......
There is an amnesty form but you must do the following....
1. Delete your filsharing soft and all MP3s
2. Sign form saying you'll never do it again...
3. Get it notarized
4. Mail it to them.....
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Tips for filesharing....if you dare to do it....
Don't share with others....here take and not give....for the giving part Clearly steps into that little place called...Completely Illegal.....
You are riskin it on your own....laws change...be careful.....
I had to STOP reading at that point...Quote:
just disable others to download from you....
I sent my letter in. I Also thought it would be nice to support EFF with a small donation. Wish it could of been more but they tell me everything counts towards the goal.
Just donated 10 bucks.......Feels......Good........
From EFF
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/Quote:
EFF attempted to deliver to Congress a petition with over 37,000 signatures,
gathered in less than a week, expressing public support for balance in
copyright law, and requesting an invitation for EFF to participate in upcoming
hearings. Due to hurricane Isabel, delivery was delayed. Senator Norm Coleman
(R-MN) has begun investigations into the RIAA's subpoena tactics through the
Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.
EFF is continuing to collect signatures on the petition and will deliver
updates to Congress if the RIAA's lawsuit crusade continues.
Now over 46,000 Signatures.
I have sent a letter to my Congressmen via EFF, and have signed the Petition.
I urge everyone to do so!
Sending letters to Congressmen only works if you have a Congressman. ;)
:ninja:
Would You Like One...Quote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor@23 September 2003 - 02:48
Sending letters to Congressmen only works if you have a Congressman. ;)
:ninja:
Anyway, the Petition is now about to break 50,000 Signatures...
http://www.eff.org/share/petition/
From EFF
http://www.eff.org/images/eff-logo-red.gifQuote:
way past our initial goal of 10,000. This is amazing! The first round of signatures, over 37,000, is already on its way to US Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN), who has announced that he will soon hold hearings to investigate the RIAA's legal tactics.
The fight for a rational, legal means of resolving this crisis has only just begun -- so let's not stop now. If we can get 100,000 signatures, we will deliver the petition to the Senate and House Commerce and Judiciary Commitees. This will send a real people's message: While we support reasonable copyright law, we oppose copyright enforcement that comes at the expense of privacy, due process and the fair application of law.
signed it just now :D
Signed the petition & sent letters to my congressmen
all sounds like your putting in alot of work to get rid of your files or try to come to some agreement with the riaa.... could just do what i do..... not give a shit & just keep downloading all this great free stuff.
yes i know its stealing, no i dont have a problem with that. :D
o yea.... also...
i wonder where you work?!!!!Quote:
I end up buying the damn cd anyway when I download files, they are crappy quality, and an inconvienence to listen to. Just buy the damn cds. They aren't that expencive.
I have also sent the letter to my congressman. I thought that this might be useful just in case the Feds come a knockin'.
Check this out, I found it @ TechTV.com
Annihilate Your PC
Since the EFF is defending freedom in the digital WORLD - will non-US support (letters) be of any help?
SyrinxGC