He was joking I think mate. :smilie4:
The endless threads do get annoying. :dabs:
I think debate is overrated.
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He was joking I think mate. :smilie4:
The endless threads do get annoying. :dabs:
I think debate is overrated.
No I wasn't.
I'm making a 'why don't BCG have invites' thread now.
ok, ok I was joking. FFS. :snooty:
What ever happened to , can't fight them .. so join them ? CR's do have a stake after all nice for them to have an option or forum to discuss their rules .
Myself I could n't care either way as I try never to bend rules here or on the trackers , so FST does the community a big service by weeding out the low lifes or scum . Pretty simple eh ?
when its 4am in the morning i tend to miss things (stopped up to watch the superbowl)
and maybe i am being too righteous here, and maybe some members here just want me to shut my big mouth, but my point is, a rule is a rule, break it and you risk punishment for breaking it.
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Originally Posted by stoi
Well said and your not a CR ? I find that odd but just my opinion , what we only allow so many or you have to be invited ? :lol:
:lol: okey, iTS trading si allowed, but first you need two things:
a) a trader who is on iTS
b) a trader so stupid, that he ask staff for invite and trade it here ...
and If they finds you, you will ged banned, but not only on iTS ... on most of your trackers ...
I am a CR i just have not got my stars yet.
Btw im not picking on ITs here, in all honesty i have never seen you do this anyway, and i dont even know your complete URL.
I am just making a general statement for every CR on here
Not at all, how can you say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by fatcat69Quote:
Originally Posted by KFlint
So are you saying if iTS removes its community rep, youll ban invite trading of iTS?
i'm just saying that tracker staff are already identified in a sticky here, no matter if they are comm rep or not, so they are available to users needing help no matter if they are comm rep or not.
If you are not really agreeing with the invite trading clause, then don't be a comm rep as it's misleading to your and/or our members. But no comm rep = account + invite trading allowed, it's a choice to make
But there's nothing in the rules to stop members posting their opinions and what might or might not happen, just as certain CRs do, and if they post things like "not a good idea mate" or "you will be hunted, caught & banned", then they can, that is if the OP did not close the thread.
And before posters start crying spam, then they should read up on the rules of spam, posting critical comments in open threads is not spam, posting GL is considered spam.
It's a fine line pointing out the obvious and lots of members "bullying", but if you can't take the heat, then close the thread or stay out of the kitchen.
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Originally Posted by SgtMajor
And... nothing further.
how come no one reads/quote this rule...its there in all the torrent sites..oh yeah rules should be followed only when U want them to be followed..... http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...p_15/rules.png if some one wants to follow the rules then FOLLOW THE RULES i really like ITS..,what these few anti trading members of ITS are not yet aware of is the number of traders who are already into ITS...of course that doesn't mean they would trade their ITS account or invite but they have trading history ...FST had a lot to do with ITS being hyped,they might deny it now....i had been to ITS IRC channel, before ITS became ITS...guess what there were 3 members...AND THE 3 MEMBERS WERE STAFF....of course the staff were a lot friendly back then and they even sent me an invite even after i mentioned i had traded in the past....which i never used(i can post screen shot of the ITS invite i never used) soo its not like because some members here claim they wont let traders in and traders can never get into ITS,even if they do oo get into ITS they wont be welcome the account will get disabled sooner or later,its just talking crap.....ITS invites are not traded because that particular member choses not to trade it...not because its there in the rules page instead of flaming here on FST about ITS invites being traded a better suggestion for the community rep would be to create an awareness among the already members not to trade...because some people here are just spamming this to a whole new level.
it is official then. sorry D.
It would probably be quicker to list the sites that DO allow giveaways in public of their invites. I think you will find it's a short list.
benchez- probably, but would be clear if some were officially put in a thread then bans-ect would create maybe a bigger mess? thats why i asked. A thought is all prob a lame one but?
AHHHH Love these huge posts
Dude you as many others know I LOVE debates but this IS NOT a debate, this is me stating a rule no debate needed here. Now what is debateable as I see it are two points:Quote:
Originally Posted by fatcat69
1. ITS isn't as involved in anti trading as you would lead others to believe, by having a CR here they ARE allowing invite trades so in an indirect way are in fact supporting trading...
Tracker rules are for the tracker but FST rules are for here Trackers must make a quiet exception about FST and our members. This is something that Feeling decided not to do and thats why he is not a CR( this is not an invitation to bash him, he is a good guy with opinions of his own so leave him be where he cannot defend himself)
2. "tactics as you call them, are they justified?
In my opinion HELL NO they are getting out of hand, I am currently discussing with other members of staff if this should be allowed to go on.
@predateur Please try and keep the comments constructive or at very least funny, ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by fatcat69If noone cared then a forum mod wouldnt of had to post a thread like this one to tell people that you can trade any invites here...Quote:
Originally Posted by predateur
However, just like any other community tracker, every single request is posted in a thread on the site, where users are blacklisted. :lol:
So if you request a invite and bring bad publicity...you essentially get yourself banned from getting an invite.
Since the tracker only has 10-15 users that are allowed to get invites...all of which have all your pathetic trade offers already....no invites will ever be traded here.
People can go ahead and request, however you wont get it. Thats the truth...so you should know.
Some people can complain that it is spam or annoying, but I am not personally attacking anyone, I just point out that traders are not welcome in the tracker, I post the current amount of invites out and who has them, and I post reasons why requests for it will just cause invites to become more rare and restricted to even less members. Spam or factual information presented to better inform OP about the current situation of invites and that trading will not get them into the site...:lol:
If you post a trade for FSC or FTN or any other high level tracker...I will say the same thing in there as well. So I do treat it like other trackers, don't think I am just defending iTS.
I personally know each person who has an invite right now and I can assure you that no invi
@FC
Where to begin..... 1st
However, just like any other community tracker, every single request is posted in a thread on the site, where users are blacklisted
This type of behavior kind of goes against the CRL as CR's and their staff are supposed to make an exception for FST members and their activities here. Making a blacklist of cheaters would I guess be acceptable. Also I find this ironic in that alot of trackers HATE the WTAW thread because the sites want their annonimity yet they will keep a "list" of users Hmmm smells like BS to me.
Some people can complain that it is spam or annoying, but I am not personally attacking anyone-True
I just point out that traders are not welcome in the tracker- Bull5hit
I could search you post and show a bunch of quotes that show you saying "ITS trading is not allowed", not just pointing out, to be fair it's not just you I don't want to single you out here although you seem to be leading the charge most of the time but there are others who do the same.
Yes there is another edge to the sword as well, I personally don't like acct trading I feel it's dishonest, I think invite trading is fine BUT, you still must respect the tracker rules as best you can. The way I see it if you are trading for an acct you are looking for a buffer that you can leech from said tracker until the ratio drops to 1:1, also don't people want their own identities? I know I always did. It is the trackers responsibility to make the "trading" exception for FST members.Quote:
Originally Posted by idetoUntil they get banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by predateur
I don't trade as Detale, if somebody wants to d oit, iTS, or not, I advise no to, but I'm not God and I don't care if somebody is banned for trade.
But I like to help people, and if there is a risk of being banned because of trade, I just tell them that.
Other way, its easier to get in sharing, so I also advie that some times.
If people don't cares, I can't do anything else and I won't care too, but to be respected, BitTorrent World must respect him too.
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Um in case you didn't notice it I am a BT mod here and I started this thread and Im pretty sure none of my fellow staffers would close it on me. This is something I have noticed and I feel it needs some public attention so if you don't mind I will continue.Quote:
Originally Posted by mievmo
Helpful as usual, you should really say something here bro, how you feel either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ITS
Other mods here have balls too not just me. Oddly enough I have a tattoo of the word "Balls" on my right forearm, thats my nickname where Im from because when I was younger I didn't give a fu*k how big the other guy was. I'll get a pic of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by peat moss
First of Stoi Sorry bout you stars man I sent Reality a PM last week but forgive him he is an insanely busy dude. I will send him another PMQuote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Absolutely the truth and Im glad you are a CR here now.
[quote=fatcat69;2638014]I would say minority in caring about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
As I have mentioned before, staff take the CR position in order to better serve the community. FST just throws that in inorder to make users think that they wont be busted for trading.
I know that most sysops ARE strongly against invite trading, however they thought that having a community rep here for general help to members was important.
This lame rule is like the fine print on a contract...
"By becoming a community rep, youll be an asset here and help users with problems with your tracker.*"
Dude "minority in caring about it!?" It would appear that you are trying to speak for the entire BT community now? MANY MANY sites don't even care about acct trading let alone invite trading. Stoi you are not in the minority in fact I did a quick review of staffers I know on the CR list and most agree with the CRL whole heartedly.
"Lame rule" Im sorry I missed that one care to post a link to it? Here is a few rules if you care to quote one
and another one hereQuote:
We’re aware some sites might not agree on this policy, though it’s the policy we’ve chose to take. If you’re here to ban invite traders, don’t ask for “Community Rep” rank on the site. Its better you choose to be a rouge element, although if this is road you choose you will be dealt with as such.
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There may be occasion when a Community Rep appears to just take action against members. We will deal with each instance of this type as it surfaces. We will NOT tolerate being taken advantage of. Their presence is not to create a battle zone but to assist in joining communities
It is up to you ...on your tracker, here you have agreed to let invite trades and their traders alone, You have kept your end of the deal and I applaud that but lately I have read a few posts that kind of promote the behaviors of others that could be considered to be "strong arming" or intimidating posts that some members make saying "invite trades are not allowed" and that isn't the rule and not exactly fair IMO either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ITS
If you think ITS is void of traders or ex-traders then that would be an amazingly ignorant comment. We have infact had a few, not many but a few successful invite trades here with ITS I have middlemaned 1 myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by marwell
" and If they finds you, you will get banned, but not only on iTS ... on most of your trackers ..."
Again if this is found to be true this would be against the CRL, also don't go throwing other trackers around too many trackers are fighting with each other too much to get together on a thing like this so stop the bull5hit. the Idea of the legendary "Global Ban" should be an option but it lacks the power of all trackers everywhere geting together and agreeing.
I agree that freedom of speech is key I encourage everyone to speak their mind Sarge but there have been many posts involving ITS and there are the same few members posting seemingly intimidating things to no0b members who will get scared to trade, now this kind of action is spreading propaganda about FST rules, sure as shit if I started posting Invite trading is OK on ITS forums the thread would be closed right quick... no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtMajor
There is it's called ****READ FIRST* // Section Guidelines \\ *READ FIRST****Quote:
Originally Posted by pone44
Accounts That Are Not To Be Traded
- Below lists bt sites which accounts are NOT allowed to be traded.
- Note that any invite trades for these is allowed on the site.
- Trades that are NOT allowed will be edited or trashed.
- Infractions might be given for posting such threads.
- Those repeating will be locked from the section.
BCG |CZ | DevilWolfs | E**** | FSC| FTN | iPlay | iTS | NB | PP |SCL| SD |TDC | TL | WB
ahhhhhh... it was time, that takes on my nerves this guy who don't stop with "you're bad, you're trading" -_-
it is really childish
No one gives a fuck,FYI almost 99% of trackers don't agree trading but they are being traded so better go and spam ur mum :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by fatcat69
So traversely, threads will be locked here then right quick - yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by DetaleI agree that freedom of speech is key I encourage everyone to speak their mind Sarge but there have been many posts involving ITS and there are the same few members posting seemingly intimidating things to no0b members who will get scared to trade, now this kind of action is spreading propaganda about FST rules, sure as shit if I started posting Invite trading is OK on ITS forums the thread would be closed right quick... no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtMajor
Has anyone reported anybody for being abusive or bullying in threads, or is this a decision just based on "a feeling"?
Just as you defend the right to allow what goes on, I will defend the right of reply in all cases.
You should take each thread on a case-by-case basis and nip things in the bud so that clear lines are drawn, or openly respond and give a warning to the person who you consider is abusing or bullying the OP.
It could be said what you are doing as the OP of this thread is bullying 1 tracker :P
And secondary, but along similar lines, you've (as in FST - not you personally) allowed posters to get away with things that gave the impression to think they could post what they wanted wherever they wanted with total freedom, that has been the real problem here, and it has been carried too far in certain cases.
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Other mods here have balls too not just me. Oddly enough I have a tattoo of the word "Balls" on my right forearm, thats my nickname where Im from because when I was younger I didn't give a fu*k how big the other guy was. I'll get a pic of it.
Oh great story of my life, tell me you have you a twin or cousin nicked named big boobs?:naughty:
Please close this thread...
Why ? The O'P has that option and has chosen not to . :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Swayne
...and now we are into triple figure number of posts...yet I don't see this going anywhere.
Ummmm no not really threads are locked here on a case by case basis. Sarge did I hit a nerve here? your posts sound a bit angry in nature did I insult you somehow? I am not bulling ITS I am stating that I don't like the fact that member are bulling other members.Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtMajorSo traversely, threads will be locked here then right quick - yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
Has anyone reported anybody for being abusive or bullying in threads, or is this a decision just based on "a feeling"?
Just as you defend the right to allow what goes on, I will defend the right of reply in all cases.
You should take each thread on a case-by-case basis and nip things in the bud so that clear lines are drawn, or openly respond and give a warning to the person who you consider is abusing or bullying the OP.
It could be said what you are doing as the OP of this thread is bullying 1 tracker :P
And secondary, but along similar lines, you've (as in FST - not you personally) allowed posters to get away with things that gave the impression to think they could post what they wanted wherever they wanted with total freedom, that has been the real problem here, and it has been carried too far in certain cases.
What members report here is confidential, I am not going by mere feelings here, Im going by what Iv read in thread upon thread. Things Iv seen with my own eyes.
" Just as you defend the right to allow what goes on, I will defend the right of reply in all cases."
Now this my man makes you look argumentative More or less saying I will oppose the reply of ALL cases, Not that this is what you are doing I know you better than that, but It makes you look like you don't have a clear opinion and you will argue a point just to oppose me.
" It could be said what you are doing as the OP of this thread is bullying 1 tracker :P"
Sure it could furthermore it could be said that aliens have just landed or that the moon is made of cheese :P
"You...allowed posters to get away with things that gave the impression to think they could post what they wanted wherever they wanted with total freedom, that has been the real problem here, and it has been carried too far in certain cases"
Please speak you mind bro, I honestly have no idea what you mean. If you see a post that you feel should be locked by all means report it straight away.
Enough with the "close this thread" nonsense it will not be closedQuote:
Originally Posted by Swayne
Well with quality posts like this I'm surprised you feel this wayQuote:
Originally Posted by kyuuchi
i cannot agree more mate! As long as i*S itself does not allow traders to come in, it doesn't matter how many i*S trade threads are made and how desperate traders want to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by aysomc
First of all, if anyone is allowed to say "YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TRADE ITS INVITES", if would be iTS staff members themselves.
Please accept my apology if you're one of iTS staff members.
If not, please leave this matter to them to handle and take care.
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Originally Posted by Detale
What a lot of the ITS members here are not realizing is that this site is wholly separate from that tracker. Just because a site has a certain set of rules does not mean that FST has to necessarily respect them. Shocking? Maybe, but that's a right that they have. They also have the right to ban you for disrupting their stance and they have the right to warn you that disrupting trade threads will result in consequences. Don't like it? Report the user in your tracker's handy-dandy report the traders thread, just don't take it up here where it is allowed.
Should say this instead in general....All invites are allowed to trade here but follow trackers' rules.
This is my opinion and that's what forum is meant to be (opinions, discussion, ideas, point of views, etc).
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Originally Posted by fsephie
had to quote that one :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by peat moss
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I didn't hear much response from other side...
i am having a feeling that someone will step down from CR...probably that's best for both sides
P.S. i am glad that the whole thing of "trading and CR" was brought up...thanks stoi ;)
he was talking about trading of ITS invites being allowed in FST since a few members of ITS seemed to be create an impression that ITS invite trading is not allowed in FST, mocking traders who would want to trade their ITS invites ...since he is a staff in FST,and he is trying to express his views in FST FORUMS,i think his views matter...he also meant if some one chose to trade ITS then its fine with FST,he didnt not imply that everyone SHOULD TRADE their ITS invite...he was not trying to offend anyone or disrespect ITS .... this is just my version of what he was trying to say....people always see what they want to see...Quote:
Originally Posted by vinhkhang01First of all, if anyone is allowed to say "YOU ARE ALLOWED TO TRADE ITS INVITES", if would be iTS staff members themselves.
Please accept my apology if you're one of iTS staff members.
If not, please leave this matter to them to handle and take care.
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Originally Posted by Detale
I'm a trader and i want to join in this great tracker of no trader.I'm not a trader but i find one inv to its and that trader wants to give him something,so he is a trader,so its is full of traders.Gl-i want one invite to its for free from no traders.Thanks.
I don't think it's ever been implied that you can't trade iTS invites on here as I think most of us know all invites are fair game. I've seen some members saying the site doesn't allow it and that push the point your account will be gone if your caught and most times it's true so I really don't see what the issue is.
I'm frankly lost at what hit79 is trying to say.
You are right.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteWizard20
And in the Invites Section Guidelines here at FST this can be found.
"Respect Communities You're A Member Of
Who You Invite
Most sites want you to invite those you know and trust.
At the least read their posts to get familiar with them.
If possible check their profile at mutual torrent sites.
Site Names And URL Links
DO NOT post links or names of sites that don't want them posted.
DO NOT post names with spaces and similar to bypass filters.
DO NOT post images with this information for these sites.
Read the rules of the sites you're a member at and if you choose
to break them don't complain if action is taken against you."
So even FST does not encourage trading it actually encourage users to read the rules off the trackers and make their choice . Too bad that the majority makes the wrong choice.
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Originally Posted by briand5379
hit79 is saying he's not a trader and he wants to join iTS, and he wants a iTS invite for free, he found one invite but the guy who has the invite wants to trade it!
The first 3 words say I'm a trader. So if he's not a trader what's that suppose to mean. That's where I got lost at.
Thanks for translate for me .I only speak german ,franceze and greek.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunimQuote:
Originally Posted by briand5379
hit79 is saying he's not a trader and he wants to join iTS, and he wants a iTS invite for free, he found one invite but the guy who has the invite wants to trade it!
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I guess this post obey to some complain from users that maybe they felt intimidated or pressured. In my particular case I donīt think somebody can say I was disrespectful or that I intimidated anyone.
Of course, here, FST rules are the ones to be followed. Nobody can expect that rules from other sites be adopted by FST.
Iīm not a first line soldier of iTS regarding to requests or tradings, not an iTS taliban either, most of all because I think that kind of behavior tends to achieve the contrary effect that we really wish: keep low profile.
But I think that advising people about the right way to join iTS itīs not a bad thing.
Most of the times we are doing the guy a favor. Look, at iTS we are a few, we know each other, any new member that join to our community is noted, itīs not like at other sites where people signup and nobody notes the fact, if we take in consideration that invites are very few, no needed Sherlock Holmes to detect who got in in an inappropriate way. And that person, maybe being a good future member itīs banned. I really feel sorry for guys that traded an invite for a high-level site, because he will lose both things, iTS membership and what he gave in change.
Iīm not a fierce anti-trader, in one way or another all of us are, or have been at any given time, in my humble opinion. But I donīt like people lose valuable things in a sterile attempt for joining a community that in many cases he has not even a remote idea what really it is or what offer. And I donīt like either that known bad users can join to our community.
If at any moment somebody felt bad because of me, I truly apologize, but Iīll keep warning people about doing things the right way about iTS, with respect but Iīll keep doing it. I think I have the right to do it and thatīs not against any FST rule.
Basically in a nutshell. FST doesn't give a shit about iTS and iTS doesn't give a shit about FST. :smilie4:
Harsh, but I reckon that may be true.
as fatcat said earlier there are a few people who can receive invites in its atm so good luck trying to trade it ahhhh =)
@benchez you are wrong, if it was like you say then you wouldn't have seen here its mods helping its and non-its users, also i don't believe fst hates its all datale said is that some people are wrong telling other people that it's forbidden by fst to trade its invites here while it's allowed.
that's false man, with all due respectQuote:
Originally Posted by benchez
if you think that we don't give a heck about that, then we would we personnaly take some time to give infractions to account traders, moderating these threads and giving them a hard time trying to do trade accounts? I believe a good job is done on that aspect and members are really helpfull reporting those threads
FST agree that account trading is an important issue because you are entering with and thus it is forbidden when having a comm rep agreement.
I repeat myself here but anyway :
If invites are handed out at large on your tracker, security is obviously not a major issue for this tracker, otherwise you would be more selective in the invite process and would be using an application form for inviting new members or even be closing invite system completly
So there are ways to prevent a lot of invite tradings to happen, but i believe that this part isn't a job for FST, trackers have to do their homework and spend more time examining invite requests
then i would ask ITS comm rep to say it if it's what he thinksQuote:
Originally Posted by benchez
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