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Originally Posted by tweakz
Funny thing is, you generally get back out of life what you put into it, you treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and the tone of your posts suggests you got exactly what was coming to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tweakz
Other tracker staff will read your posts and remember what you said, I wish you nothing but reciprocal feelings in return.
i disagree :PQuote:
Originally Posted by RoSsoNeRI
i think the list of kool com rep is longer than that and majority com reps aren't arrogant lol
I was nice from the start, but i got no response, so why say what u said when it wasn't even u that i was talking to, u don't know my messages!Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtMajorFunny thing is, you generally get back out of life what you put into it, you treat others as you would like to be treated yourself, and the tone of your posts suggests you got exactly what was coming to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by tweakz
Other tracker staff will read your posts and remember what you said, I wish you nothing but reciprocal feelings in return.
I think it is very commendable of all staff to offer advice to noobs.
I hope they receive all the recognition they deserve.
Keep up the good work at :fst:
PS The thread looks as though it is deteriorating in to a BITCH -FEST:O:P
there were advantages to the comm rep status particularly for n00bs to the forum who don't have a clue about how to contact staff , I note alot of the glee in this thread is at the expense of the people who work very hard on the torrent sites with no reward. There are some that are arrogant yes, but most help users and give of their time freely, FSC staff is a shining example of this but there are many others.
The comm rep status did not make them any more 'special' as tweakz put it unless you simply want different colored stars ? but it did define them slightly more clearly so be prepared for even more staff help me threads here.
Site staff do deserve our respect at least, it is actually quite a thankless job in many ways, and remember they volunteer their time to bring us the trackers, but I think that this decision will lower the opinion of tracker staff for FST and its members since the other side of the coin is the agreements about tracker a/c trades have now been revoked as well.
It is only an us against them mentality if you go against the wishes of the trackers that you are members of, most staff are more than happy to help with problems and are understanding although the zomg my a/c has been stolen story does get a trifle old, but for those gleefully rubbing their hands at the no holds barred trading that this will bring, it simply means that more and more trackers are simply going to disable invites or only allow staff to invite and be far more vigilant and less forgiving about IP range changes, mail changes, download habit changes, and more than likely far less understanding about the old zomg my a/c has been stolen story.
Make no bones about it, trackers will react to this, and as this free for all goes on you will see more and more restrictions placed on those wishing to belong.
i think it's for the best
To bad things didn't work out.Some people just suck at keeping up there end of things i guess.
They should have made it more clear wowzrbowser, but think of it this way, you agree'd to follow all the rules when joining this site, and it was up to you to find them and read them. If you had trouble, you could have asked where to locate them. Trackers do the same thing, and when you change rank, or sign up, its up to you to find out what rules have changed, if any, and look those up. No one is around to walk everyone through it, here or anywhere else.
when i got offered the post by Detale, he give me a link to the rules and even pasted them in his PM to me. so i read them and asked questions about them.
when i was happy i decided to say yes, it only lasted 2 weeks max though lol
and btw i never felt special, or above and beyond anyone else on here.
it didn't last long indeed but i can say hats off to you for having taken the time to understand what the community rep title was meant to be and respect the CR agreementQuote:
Originally Posted by stoi
There shouldn't be a rank, but i would be a good idea to have some kind of application process for a CR-like label. It wouldn't be a rank, but rather a way to identify people who are sys-ops, admins etc. at certain sites.
Great job Skizo, I can't wait to see the new system. Some of the community reps are nice and helpful while others just simply ignore you.
To each its own. There were advantages and disadvantages to having the comm system in place. same rules apply now. More advantages for some and disadvantages for others. Depending on your stance, and type of member you are (good,bad,trader,non trader, etc). I think eventually the'll come up with a system that everyone will agree with and accept. When the time is right of course.
I have never deal directly with any CR in this forum, but I can recognized some of their posting. People like Stoi will be around to help with or without the 5 stars. With out the formal titles they can still help if they want to; even as CP they have no obligation to render help.
The biggest effect that this new arrangement have on this forum will be seen in the Invite Thread. A free for all will be a disaster. I can't see a respectable forum like this one be a place for torrentors to break trackers rules and just get away with it.It is already bad now; people treading acc. when such act is not allowed by the tracker. And those are not noob torrentors.
Is this the reason why many trackers have little respect for this forum? A venue for torrentor to break trackers rules anonymously. I hope the situation does not go any worst.
I never asked for, or wanted, the comm rep status. Having two colleagues here who already had this status meant that I could let my hair down (what's left of it) and be myself.
A lot of people don't realise that comm reps are no different from any other member. They have their good days and they have their bad days. Sometimes, they don't want to have to deal with the issues of a site, and just want to chill out. Other times, they will go beyond the minimum to help others.
Removing the comm rep status now means that many here can relax and chill. They are not confined by a set of rules they may or may not agree with, and can participate just like any other member.
A word of warning to account traders though. You may think that it is now safe to trade trackers, but torrent site staff have a wealth of information that they share between them, and we can track down the bad apples very easy. Many trackers can still detect account trades and disable them, without reference to FST or any other trading forum.
Now, while I am interested in what FST may have up it's sleeve for torrent site staff, I will remain a regular member, participating as I have been. For me, rank means nothing. It is not how high I stand, but how I stand, that counts.
Now think why staff are staff? Many are promoted because they go that extra mile. Whether it be KFlint, Skizo, Detale and Tralala here, or Brandon at F*N, or DK and DV8 at F*C, they have been elevated to that rank for a reason. While the staff here retain their rank, remember that community reps have earned the respect of their members, and of many members here.
These people are the pinnacle of the torrent world. It is them who have shaped what you all come to take for granted. Some of you may think that it's CR bashing time, but it isn't. For every CR basher, there will be more CR defenders. For those tempted to bash a CR, think again...
I agree 100% percent with what TheFoX said.
dont worry thefox, i dont have much hair left either
The filters were here before the rank and will remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Its a simple courtesy and available by request.
Sometimes I simply have to quote the content of a post.Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
For those bashing that isnt what this is about...
Nooooo, my beautiful stars! :angry: Now I'm out of here, see ya!
..hihi <3 Nah, not that it was directly coool anyway.. :unsure:
Good move, staff! If it was growing out of control, it's best to just kill it right away :)
Cheers <3
-Vidde
Well, i guess this "move" was thought over and over again by the staff... So it can't be a bad thing ;)
The Community Rep it was always something special in fst untell some of new noobs comers had the stars:cry:
good move
i don't think .this will change anything
any way,it's good to know
thanks for letting us know, we will be missing them hopefully
No we won't, they are still here, just without the stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiantian
It's every man for himself now (well not really) but that's the first impression you get by reading this.
Anyway this won't change common sense or the level of responsability of those involved in any way.
Simply put. If you value your accounts do not do invite giveaways (Which I no longer do) or account trading and invite trading. Most won't listen to or heed these words, but if you want to be 100% safe and worry free. Don't trade or give and you'll be safe. But If you have to give away an invite, give it to SOMEONE you can TRUST.
Grimms, really let me be the Devil's advocate here. What are invites supposed to be for? To give them to some trustworthy people, I reckon. But if You are really honest with yourself, what are the chances that You meet Your real - life friends (with a long relationship) start talking torrent and give the invites to them? Chances are slim I must say. Instead You spend Your days here, getting friends here with people of the same interest. Even some kinda virtual friendship should evolve.
And the end of the day You don't - You cannot ! - know anything about who's the person behind the nick You are talking with. Could be anybody. Then with this logic, the turnover of invites and the possibility of new, respectful members joining sites would tend to ZERO. This is a catch 22. The wisest thing would be to freeze ALL INVITES on ALL tracker, then it won't be a problem. You very rarely have a chance in life to build a trusty relationship by just via reading and replying comments, and thus You cannot trust anybody per definitionem. At least not by the definition of trackers regarding invite - rules. Then what?
When i say do not do invite giveaway's i mean in public. Doing so discreetly through pm, with people you trust is fine and recommended. Also most sysop's, admins, and mods will tell you to do so (Trusted members of course). Account trading is a no-no at all times(Even discreetly through pm, unfortunately we all live in the real world and know traders trade through pm's the majority of the time). Once again i'm speculating, but i'm sure it's true. Money doesn't grow on trees, am i right? Sylar your right you can't truly trust anyone you don't personally know, but you have to use your gut instinct, intellect, and wisdom, to decide who you can trust. My whole don't bother me for invites sig, States not to bother me for an invite, unless i feel like you could be trusted, or i have faith that, i can instill enough trust in you, to invite you to a tracker i'm apart of. I just learned and now know invite giving away in public is unsafe and viral. I do not look down on those that do it though (It's your decision to want to change, i won't or can't make that decision for you).
Edit: It's funny though my best friend in "real life" is a member of fst. It is funny though. Found out recently, and did mention to him that fst is a good site and left it at that. But your right most real life friends are not that adept to torrenting at all.
In some cases it is a catch22. Ask people on what.cd and pwt their views on this subject(They won't agree with the invite giveaway aspect like most trackers, now don't as well). Tracker staff would be better to answer this question then you or I. I'm not an admin, mod, or sysop. Hopefully a staff tracker member can answer this one? Break it down a little more for us all.
I am starting to struggle with understanding this as well lol
We have an external invites thread on BCG for PU and above only, No trading, only giveaways. and we have had loads of sites say they do not want their giveaways on there.
now this isnt a public site, its another tracker so if anyone is going to be hard done by its us, we can loose good users because they get invited to other sites, including PU, SPU and even uploaders.
But i do not see the point of trackers giving invites to members, if you cant even give them away to PU and above on another tracker, just doesnt make any sense to me at all lol.
Its getting to such an extent now, that we might as well just remove the forum, as there are going to be more trackers that we cant have invites for than those we can.
but whatever, its up to those trackers i suppose, but it is confusing the hell out of me thats for sure.
ehhh, no biggie. It would have been nice for FST staff to have PM'd us regarding there change in position, but whatever. Most sites with an emphasis on security run a tight ship, so its water off our backs.
:yup:yeap its confusing thats why tradeing invites just like give it away in my opinion both invites u giveing them to random ppl u dont know if he is a cheater or trader or what ever he is and u wont be never sure 100 % about that member is not cheater or trader and u cant judge on what he relly are from his posts or from his rep points or ratio proofs thats beside giveing away invite in forums its against the rules and if the staff will catch doing that then will be banned just like any one trying to trade that invite so its the same result!! . so if there is something call anti trader then they should keep thier invites to they selfs but if u like to help some ppl then do ur best to pick the right person but to stop giveing away and stop the trade then how can the new members can join to any tracker they want ? and for what this forum standing for? i think i will retired from tradeing but i wont retired from giveing away but this whole thing dosent make any sence for me either ....Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
exactly, giving away an invite on blackcats seems to me like pretty allright, you have solid proof that this user is a good one because you have access to his stats on this site, no screenshot faking possible, no stealing proofs from another person too
in fact i did gave away invites on blackcats forums and all the users i invited turned out to be great members
unfortunatly, the requirements asked in a giveaway in fst aren't 100% full-proof, so one must understand the risk of doing so and not complain if he ends up losing his invite privilege
well the external invite thread is gone (for now)
i just cant be arsed with the hastle lol
The same goes for the Invites threads of Power User Forums of the two "W"s (and the former OiNK) and Invite Thread on Forum of HDBits.org. Those guys are trustable, I guess there's no problem giving away invites there.
well obviously there is, unless we wouldnt have got lots of trackers saying they didnt want their invites to be giving away on BCG to PU and above only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar666
but whatever, ours is gone now. i still dont understand it though lol
Stoi isn't it though.:huh: I feel like we are living in some type of paradox or something. I agree, i don't see much harm in trackers who have PU forums, that allow invites to be given away. I have got plenty of trackers in the past that way, but after i broke What.cd's "Chain of trust" and other sites, i have been confused on who i can actually give my invites too and how. Well the how as been solved (Due to what.cd forcing my hand) but all i can say now is use your instincts, wisdom, and only give invites out to users you can TRUST. Good users at that. Don't do public giveaway's. Always follow your faq and rules specified on each tracker your a member of. You may even have to pm staff on certain rules or other things stated in the faq. I'm officially confused but still learning.:huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by stoi
Edit: at sylar it is a problem. They seem to only want invites given away "In house style" But if it's through FST it could be deemed a "Sin". Sylar like i stated previously, alot of the stuff your saying makes sense but certain sites still disagree in regards to how you distribute the way your invites are given (To other people). Of course i'm only referring to invites, not trading. (Which is a whole other issue).
Please whatever you do heed these words. I wish i was the one who said the above quote. I think thats the "Sin" i was referring to when saying some trackers do not like their invites being given away on FST, cause it's not 100% full proof(Which is true). And of course i lost my what.cd and PWT accounts for that very reason (Invite giveaway's in public).Quote:
Originally Posted by KFlint