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Remember this:Quote:
Originally Posted by znik
http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...-system-235276
Change can happen, we just have to keep the momentum up.
We here have to look after all aspects of the BT community, and that means working in tandem with everybody, staff here, BT staff and the members of here & trackers everywhere.
FST should be the voice of FileSharing, and if sometimes that means swallowing a bitter pill sometimes, then so be it, we cannot please 100% of the people 100% of the time. FST should be setting the standards that others will follow, and that means finding a middle ground so that we are all happy, not just a few.
I couldn't agree more. IMO this whole thing has been a big mistake at least for a while with the com reps there were quite a lot of accounts that couldn't be traded now it's back to the wild west. I don't really know how to express how I feel about this (which is unusual for me :p) but it's definitely a huge step in the wrong direction. With this new rank, will it mean that accounts for sites that have "BT Gurus" are not allowed to be traded? Or is it just a title?Quote:
Originally Posted by znik
EDIT:
to those people that nominated me, thanks i'm humbled but I don't really see that I deserve it. Personally I have have no need or desire for a special title just for being the sort of member that I would like to encounter. Besides I've had too many arguments with people here and tbh I can be a bit hostile :P
KFlint
Vidde
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maybe I will add more when I remind
all my respect to all I didn't mention them
You nailed it! :) We had absolutely no say in this situation, which I find odd considering this was a deal between two different parties yet the other decided to just destroy the contract with no prior contact with the other party.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny81985
Not a bad idea, I had forgotten there was an option to disable pm's :) I was just going to let my inbox fill up but I guess I can save time and just disable it. Sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingrob
Thanks man I appreciate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mamacita
I for one am glad we are finally seeing a reaction from the tracker staff over the revokation of the CR agreements, and to those that have spoken out against the removal of the system it truly is a shame, and as I sadly predicted it would mean that tracker staff would have a huge workload trying to track the a/c trades that so weaken the idea of a private invite only community.
If this means in the case of those like Brandon who have spoken out not getting their shiny new btguru stars so be it , I dont think they will miss them.
If this rank truly is to mean anything then the persons who become btguru's should not be hobbled by rules since FST changes those rules as it sees fit anyway.
I also truly understand staff saying that they will not have time now to help users with queries on this site but then 90% of those queries were zomg my a/c has been stolen after an a/c trade went tits up, so it's no real loss in that respect.
I do however hope that the new BTguru class will help members and show them that there is another way that there is a reason why a/c trading is against the rules of most trackers and that if you want to be a member of the tracker you have to respect its rules.
Start by giving the good com-reps the title and maybe top it off by banning all account trading and account giveaway unless approved by tracker staff. That would be a step in the right direction.
Oh and I vote for SHUVT as well
All staff here i believe are good people. Have not got to know many member's but i can say there are great people here!
I know how you feel Brandon and i guess some how you have the right to feel so.
buT i guess the best thing about this new rank that members here is given the right to nominate what they think is the best members here in this community.
I guess that you will agree with me that getting a title from FST MEMBERS means a lot more than getting a better title or rank from the FST staff.
away from all these invites nonsense and getting into trackers rush.we as members in FST hold some people here dear to our heart and always appreciate their contributions to this forum and there is no doubt that you are one of them.
like it or not.I may disagree with you sometimes but i like you and treasure your help and contribution.
After going through some of the BT staffers' posts in this thread, it is quite clear that a few of them got offended by the breaching of the agreement they've upheld on their parts. Unfortunately, they're the ones that will suffer the most from the change in the situation and not through any fault of theirs, and frankly I sympathize with what they've said here, but also understand how the previous situation could've gotten unbearable for FST staff.
Even though the situation seems to be quite negative and emotions are high, I do see a small positive side in the situation in that now that the situation had changed significantly, people may be finally realizing how the previous situation, as problematic as it was, was still way better than the chaos that would've ensued had it not been for those CR agreements. Perhaps even some of the ex-CRs which have not kept their parts of the bargain now realize the consequences of their actions and are willing to take a different path now that the dreaded alternative is clear.
I think that it would be best for everyone to take a deep breath and re-evaluate their positions. I believe it is not too late to reverse the situation.
Reality, Skizo, KFlint, or whoever else who makes the decisions on here. I know I don't have any real say or influence, but i think what should be done to make the good mods like "Brandon" and others happy(Which is very justified), is maybe considering to eliminate Account trading and the BT reputation system all together.Quote:
Originally Posted by znik
Maybe specify in the rules that invite trading and giveaway's could still be allowed, but only to trackers that will tolerate them. Also i think you should create a sticky in the BT invite section of a list of sites which allow or disallow account/invite trading and giveaway and add them to the list, only if admins, mods, and sysops themselves sign up to fst and tell "Reality" I either will allow members to trade and do giveaways or not on are tracker. Edit the sticky as tracker rules change, and also do a nice list breaking sites up in their own categories. Like a brokenstones, Ftn, Fsc, Revtt for example. It will save the fst and tracker staff all the endless trouble in the long run. Also all BT staff should have the title of their site name under their avatar to identify themselves (I think this should be automatcially set-up or done by fst staff).
Also maybe impose serious infraction on all members that don't read and follow the rules. Honestly? I would even go as far as making it mandatory for all new members to have to read complete fst site rules, before having access to the bt invite section, not just the 30 days.
If you do decide to roll a system like needing to read site rules? Roll it out for everyone, even me, even Tracker staff at the time, so we can all refresh are memories as well as the new blood getting familiar with FST rules for the first time. I think this should be deeply considered. Maybe talk to Tracker staff about this in private. Brandon i would like to personally hear your thoughts, Reality yours, and anyone else. Maybe i have it all wrong?
edit: imagine a sticky called "Trackers who allow or don't allow account/invite trading and giveaway's. Then putting every tracker in the sticky as tracker staff, submit their rules to skizo or reality, but the requirement is staff from the tracker have to sign up to fst and also somehow prove their really staff or the owners. I think in the long run this would work, you may lose some members in the end, but it would work.
edit 2: It won't circumvent trading/ giveaway's through pm, but also it shouldn't be anyones responsibility but the users own, for doing anything through pm (This means they can't complain to anybody if they trade secretly through pm cause now they know the real revised rules and have nobody to Fault but themselves, if anything goes awry).
edit: Make two stickies one called trackers who allow invite/account trading and giveaway's and another sticky called trackers who don't allow invite/account trading and giveaway's. It may actually make it easier with even less confusion. Maybe this new system should be tested and worked out for awhile to see if it makes a real difference, and if it does? It should be permananely implemented.
I guess we can't be hypocrites.Either we stop trading accounts all together or to allow it.Quote:
Maybe specify in the rules that invite trading and giveaway's could still be allowed, but only to trackers that will tolerate them. Also i think you should create a sticky in the bt invite section of a list of sites which allow or disallow account/invite trading and giveaway and add them to the list only if admins, mods, and sysops themselves sign up to fst and tell "Reality" I either will allow members to trade and do giveaways or not.
I mean what's the differance between a tracker and other ones.we should respect all of them equally.And all of them are against trading accounts.
I'm always against giving some trackers a privilege over other ones.we need to be fair.
Though i treasure FSC,FTN,NB and many others but still we should treat all trackers the same way.
I personally hate account trading but to make it fair i think it should be according to what the specific trackers wants. I heard there are a couple of bt trackers who actually encourage account trading, so if thats the case, then let members trade on those sites(I disagree with it, but i think it's only fair to all). If 99 sites disagree and only 1 site agrees on trading then let that 1 site be the only one that is allowed to be traded. Then traders can't complain or anti-traders like myself. I mean somehow, everyone needs to come to a universal agreement here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAM
I guess I just assumed account trading would be disallowed for those trackers that received this title... just like before. I don't really see the point of it just being a title.. it should also come with some benefits both for FST and for staffers.Quote:
Originally Posted by sear
It's really bad to see the gap between trackers and FST grow, but I can understand trackers' staff for it. It's sad to see, for example, Brandon's change of attitude from a very friendly and helpful guy to a seeker and destroyer, but it's an understandable reaction...
It's in our best of interests that FST works together with staffers, not against them (and that includes of course all us members, not just staff) to make our BT community a better and safer one. Of course I have no idea of what's going on behind the scenes, this is just my opinion from what I've been reading here... I hope in the end, a balance can be found.
Sup Z? How you been, my medical compadre?Quote:
Originally Posted by znik
Couldn't agree more. I respect that.:PQuote:
Originally Posted by sear
ok just one question i am still a noob ok what the diffrent if some one will trade invites or tradeing accounts ( its all call trade ):huh: and why the staffer still keep asking to be part of BT Guru if they relly dont like the trade at all ( accounts and invites ) i think they shouldnt accept this BT Guru if they relly mean what they saying and what they belive about the trade
one more thing there is members who will become BT Guru but some of those members are extremely anti traders so how they will deal with invite section and traders and the all trades will be going there
other thing in my opinion all the tracker staff should be in BT Guru i dont know what is BT Guru about yet but all i am sure about is they will get a pink stars so if fst will give all of them the pink stars then every body will be happy ( atleast to recognize them better ) and we wont see all this drama around and and if any one of them wanna make some agreement with fst then its ok also its up to them..
we shouldnt make staffer above onther staffer thats will increasing the fst heaters also:w00t:
@ brandon :what kind of CR u talking about if u threat this community by ban ass every single member here have account at F*N what the fst member did to get such a punishment if u say u relly helped alot of members here then u will find the help in return from the member u helped them already and alot of them will vote for u to get ur stars and ur agreement back this threat with for real childish i know and i saw u gived a hand help here to many but by what u just posted ur relly lost alot of supporter and alot of respact u will find alot of posts agree with what u just said but most of them not coz they agree but coz they are affried... one more thing fst helped ur tracker as u helped fst members i belive to get memebers have some knowladge about BT from fst better then get scammers and cheater from realpoor .
i relly wish things could be more clear here then now
1-do we have to trade accounts and invites or we should kiss asses and begging for every staffer and members to get invites
2-we will keep the invite section or we just turn the forum to req section
3-stars for all or stars for non
4-the extremely antitraders members who will be BT Guru will have the ability to see the traders ips or not?
the direct way is always shorter
oh i apologize about my english thats all i have got.:(
:lol: well I like to be upfront and I'm not going to bullshit or hold back my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimmsCouldn't agree more. I respect that.:PQuote:
Originally Posted by sear
On topic, I really think that the allowing of account trading for all trackers again is terrible. I hope that staff can see how much people don't want it. Sure you have to cater to the traders as well and I can understand that even if I disagree. However isn't letting them trade invites going far enough? Removing protections for trackers is just going to further alienate FST it's staff and members from the wider tracker community.
FST has a bad rep, lets face it. I for one would like to see some sort of middle ground where members don't have to sign up with a different nick just to protect themselves. I personally am on good terms with the staff at the trackers I frequent and have no fear of my accounts being disabled. However it's common practice for members to use a different nick here out of fear of being banned even if they've done no trades at all. Is that the kind of place people want this to be? I hope not. This move to allow a free for all on all trades truly saddens me.
Whether staff agree with Brandon or not, there's no arguing he's done a lot for the members here. He's given out invites, helped people that needed help and generally had a good laugh with us. It's too bad that it's come to this. I hope you guys (staff) can see where he's coming from and also sense that many long time members here support him wholeheartedly. Please ban account trading. If you can't do that at least come to some kind of agreement with staffers that are willing to hold up their end of the bargain, I think this is the only way forward on this issue.
Anyway I'm done ranting but truly whether it's apparent or not I and a lot of other members and the wider BT community feel very strongly about this.
well imo they're both fucked. But when you trade an account you are stealing someone else's identity on the tracker which opens up a whole can of worms. Also it encourages cheating to buffer accounts for a better trade. When you trade an account you are completely severing your ties with that account, therefor you don't care as much who your trading with. If you trade an invite you're responsible for who you invite and hopefully will take a little care with their past and what kind of member they'll become. There's more reasons that have been explained before, perhaps someone else will elaborate on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by supper
I ll have to totally agree with you as you and all the CR's were kept in the dark in this breach of agreementQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
You have been one of the most active and helpful CR here along with FSC staff and recently stoi from BCG
If fst losses you guys its a big loss to fst
In my short while here I have seen you take your time and helpout and leave comments everytime ftn was mentioned
Its just a disgrace on fst's part to not acknowledge the agreement
As far as invite and acc trading goes like fsc there are many proud members of ftn here who will always help out the staff in cutting down the scums
Bingo! Wish i stated that in my novel about four posts prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by sear
well thank you for clearing this but if any one whould like to cheat he will cheat in any way on his own account or on the account he willing to trade ( cheater is cheater ) and any one with seedbox or high speed conaction he will buffer his account by real upload as this will not make any problem or diffrent to himQuote:
Originally Posted by sear
identity ? fist of all its not calling stealing its call tradeing and what is the big deal to get a user name and password from some one he created its not a visa card identity u know and to trade the invites its not any better then tradeing accounts both put the tracker at risk are am i right? and both can let cheaters and hackers get in are am i right? and both are against the trackers rules and the wishes of the staffers are am i right?Quote:
Originally Posted by sear
i am sorry but relly i am not acting i am just trying to understand some points from a older memeber have a such great experience like u :)
How about this:
1. Make mods happy by allowing them to decide which accounts/invites get traded.
2. Fuck the titles altogether. I don't think any reps really care about their stars. Good members distinguish themselves.
1. Point one would work, if every mod or staff member of a specific tracker, were signed up at fst, unfortunately their not, but the solution would be to ban account/invite trading on every single tracker, where mods and other staff have signed up here and explicitly stated "We do not want any form of trading or giveaway's allowed on this site" and sticky it,Quote:
Originally Posted by krunktastic
hopefully the list will grow and grow and grow. Easier solution to end all this pointless arguing as far as what to do, as far as account trading is to have an end all agreement. Permanently ban all forms of trading, only allow requests. unfortunately there is no way to know who is doing something bad through pms(Private Messages), but at least if a certain member was caught in public, actions could be taken.
2. More i think about point two, that may be even better. I do feel all tracker staff should have the name of the site they mod, own, or admin at under their avatar though. Especially if account trading becomes extinct once and for all.
so much drama...
I think what sears mean is for example you trade an account and the person you gave it too cheats or even worse tries to sell it. Guess what happens next your ip gets banned across any sites that share info on bad users and even thou you have never sold or cheated on a account you end up on the hitlist because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by supper
To top it off if you are truly trying to be a good user by keeping your own nick across multiple sites to show your all about contributing to file sharing and not just here to leech. It would suck that because of this member you gave this account too, you now have to start all over.
As for the BT Guru title I am not sure how it would work since it has to be a give in take like it was with the CR title. My question is it the same agreement as there was before since that is my understanding of what was post on the first post.
So does this mean that account trading will still not be allowed as long as we keep our end of the bargain?Quote:
Originally Posted by FST BTGuru thread
This whole thread disgusts me. I'm finished with it and will not be making any further replies to this pathetic bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon
You act as if you're so oppressed and have been fucked over. I really thought you were past all this nonsense and would actually talk it out with us. Instead, you terminate our MSN conversation where we are trying to explain why the CR rank was removed and what we are doing to replace it for staffers such as yourself who have been friendly, but you couldn't be bothered I suppose. Instead, you immediately came to the forum and started bad-mouthing me and the staff.
I'm not going to beat a dead horse and repeat it all again (you can read you MSN history for that), but what do you feel you've been screwed on?
We don't owe you anything.
We don't owe any tracker anything.
Our main focus is FST, nothing else. That focus includes helping our members and being an informative resource for file sharing information all-around. The CR rank was all give on our part and required absolutely nothing from you or any other tracker staff member. You should be happy that it lasted as long as it did as you all got what you wanted and didn't have to do anything to get it.
Now we do away with it to protect FST'ers b/c too many staffers were taking advantage of it and all of a sudden we're the bad guys?? The forum is the same as it was last week, but since you don't have us to get rid of account trades at your beck and call, now the forum is reprehensible?? Get real.
Again, you want to know all the reasons, read your MSN history. RealitY and myself broke it down piece by piece.
:noes: It doesn't look like it. :dabs:Quote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1
I can understand why the reps are pissed off.
By handing out invites here (1) and being helpful the community reps have given up a lot of their time and energy. :ermm:
This was a definite show of respect for this forum and in no way a given.
In return, FST agreed to ban account trades for the tracker that the com.rep was from, providing that they didn't interfere with invite trading. That's how I understand it anyway. :unsure:
This seemed to work out ok to an extent.
To have this one remaining safety net taken away, after putting that effort in and keeping up the com.reps side of the bargain is a slap in the face to those that acted properly.
In real-life it would be called 'breach of contract'.
People normally get upset over that. :dabs:
Communication and adequate preparation for this step seems to be the area that could have been and still could be improved upon in my opinion.
If any staff member does become a BT Guru and there are no rules in place to stop these accounts being traded then it will appear to the average person that these staffers are endorsing this vile practice.
I can't imagine any of them wanting to do that. :whistling
As it stands, things are unclear. Hopefully in the next few days we will have a clearer picture of what this forum's intentions are. :mellow:
(1)
Inviting users from here is a two-sided coin. Half the users you get are great and the other half cause you hours of grief.*
*figures correct at the time this was posted. : P
:)well thank you for replay DKre8ive1 u know how much i respact u for the useful posts and the help u always give it to many members here and not many members will disagree with that but:PQuote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1
the guy who will trade account or sell account he could be the same guy who will sell invites or trade invite or even he could be a cheater also and he will face the same result and not many traders so stupid to trade account have the same username he useing it on many others trackers thats beside many traders dont use the same username on every single tracker he has for the record i am against tradeing personal accounts even i was a trader but all i wanna say the cheater or the seller who will have the account by trade or by selling he could be the same guy who will have invite by trade or by selling also the bad member still the same bad member its dosent matter if he will trade account or he will trade invite u still can call him trader and the seller who selling invites or account u still can call him a seller so i dont see any diffrent . and i am sure u will ban both of them and i am sure u dont like any trader in ur tracker also any way you are my favourite staffer and i just wanted to understand some points thank you for ur replay:)Quote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1
i rest my case ....
and i apologize agien for my english.
This is similar to what I mentioned in a pm message to Brandon and its true. Though he thinks the gates will open with mass threads trading FTN which remains to be proven. Think such threads will be responded to by his members and ours also. Dont think we really need to moderate the section like this. Things have changed and the members educate themselves. Weve watched that section go through multiple changes that members have brought about. Its nice watching the section evolve mostly on its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheFoX
Think theres lots of information in this section and the pins in that section for a n00b to gather before that month comes up and choosing what theyre going to do. Do we really need to tell them what to do. Have we not provided enough. Take a look at that section and compare that to months back. Do you think its evolved and if so is it in the direction you had hoped for. Perhaps and if so the members have mostly done it and not by force. If we force it wont those members go to another site and the chance to enlighten them goes also.
Well its not like we wanted this. Its unfortunate a couple have taken this the way they have. Though they couldve hashed it out rather than the route they took. As mentioned we arent going to please all. Though we try different things. The whole thing with the new layout isnt even completly defined yet. Actually my initial post was looking for feedback on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by pro267
In a nice warm place could we go back. Where we all sit down and try this again. Well I wish that were possible as we didnt have issue with the way it was. Dont think we need to get into how many times we were fked with regarding CR rank. Well we could complain like those that that are upset but whats the point. Think we simply need to redefine this and move on...
Reality what's your true take on permanently ridding account trading? Or creating the sticky's I suggested. I just would like some food for thought, for myself and it would be helpful to other members as well. I think this was at least a good topic to start, so members and bt staff alike, can air out some obvious issues, differences and whatever else. I'm also fully aware at the end of the day what ever decisions your staff impose, will be final on fst.
Sorry I'm so delayed on replying, been disabling accts for the past hour or two.. (note this has nothing to do with FST, well one was an acct trade that fst allowed to go through on here.. but dont get all worried) Anyways here goes.
I agree with you on that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SAM
I'm with you on this. Sad thing is, if staff here had worked with us, and even the users.. I really think this could have been handled better.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimms
I really don't want to be the bad guy, but I don't really have a choice now. I can assure you my attitude towards good users and those on FTN will stay the same. You won't see much of me in the forums here though.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaffeine
If I somehow made the illusion that I was threatening anyone I apologize. I will not ban a single member who is both on ftn and fst unless they are abusing the rules. This now includes invite trading as well as account trading. If you trade an invite, I will make it my mission to find you and disable you. Follow my rules and I'll be as kind as always. On the contrary to you saying I've lost a lot of respect, either you misread my posts or you misunderstand the whole point of this. Please re-read this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by supper
I agree with you, but as you can see by the post below from skizo, they don't care. I'm all for middle ground, they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by sear
I appreciate your understanding. I am going to miss goofing around with you guys, but like I said I just don't have the time to do both :-/Quote:
Originally Posted by fazzy07
FST staff has no idea how much work it is to deal with both invite and account traders. Yes, account traders can be found easily, but I don't wanna be the guy who disables someone who's innocent. We have scripts that alert us immediately on certain things, but as with everything in life nothing can be certain.. I have to do backround checks on every single alert we have to double check that the disable is justified. Again though, FST staff fail to understand that.
Bro, you guys kept giving me the run around. I've said this plenty of times, I just don't have enough time i my day to go through the bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
I don't agree with your reasons, they were half-assed and as I said above you could have had our support in finding a solution to this rather than pushing it under the rug because you couldn't handle it. As also said in the other page, I still think you're a decent guy, you're just not as good of a staffer as I thought you were and you definitely are not the friend I assumed you were.
If your main focus was fst, then you my friend have failed. Let me help you out.
You went from a community with great members and great torrent staff support, to a community that's now a battleground with less support staff, and now staff members who are here to hunt down users. Do you think your users are going to be happier with the new FST? If you do, I ask you to re-read the posts made here.
Yes I guess there was a breach of contract like benchez said but that doesn't mean that a new one can be re-written so that the same rules apply, but just the users who didn't keep up there end of the bargain not qualify for this contract.
I mean I truly hope that sites that don't want to have there url's posted still have the option to have it censored, since that was in effect prior to there being the community rep title.
This is a work in progress like its already been said but why re-build the wheel when you can just change some of the parts that are broken to get it rolling again.
Hey DK <3Quote:
Originally Posted by DKre8ive1
I agree with you, but like I said to FST staff... if they were going to allow the same rules to apply to this new thing, why abolish the old? That's what skizo doesnt understand. How can I be expected to have an open mind about this when they totally destroyed the old system, which included the old rules. If there's going to be a new system with the same rules, isnt that essentially just the old system with a new name? Oo
What good is that? Why do it? ?????
I don't think we will see those rules return.
That middle ground seems to be lost.
It looks at the moment like it's everyone for themselves. Caveman style. :smilie4:
At least that will mean less politics I guess. I do hate politics. :dabs:
wow fst as gone mad again ,why fix something that wasnt broken!
It wasn't that random the poster before has a grand total of 5 posts here and managed a 'nice thread' comment so I really couldn't resist :naughty::naughty::whistlingQuote:
The funniest thing about that post was the fact that it was totally unexpected and completely random. Thanks for the giggle
This thread did need some lightening up though, so it had to be done :D
75% of CR not respecting their end of the deal = not broken?Quote:
Originally Posted by bunny67
that might have been harsh to remove it completly for some times but i'm pretty sure people getting the new title will be happy with it, just wait for the details ;)
Brandon just let it go ;)