So your whole faith is based on the validity of that one sentence :O
This is shocking. :dabs:
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So your whole faith is based on the validity of that one sentence :O
This is shocking. :dabs:
no it isnt one sentence , i answered what this guy reclaimed that the begining of the koran siad . but the main faith of islam is :
is to believe that there is only one god and believe in all his messengers as moses juses , mohamed and other which we dont know about , and believe in all his religions and not to diffrentiate between any of his books and messengers
any questions ?
I know this is a minor point but are there any religious texts from any religion that start "this is a load of pish and most of it is made up" .....with the possible exception of his Nooodley Greatness FSM :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by moslem01
u r wrong mate , Islam respects all religions , we the muslims love jesus more then Christians , because it is a part of being a muslim , i can not b a complete muslim if i do not respect and love jesus .Quote:
Originally Posted by tralalala
and there is not a single line in quran where it states that all non muslims should b killed .
and the movie u r referring to , is a controversial movie . and good Christian communities around the world have also criticized it as well as muslims .
and plzz use nice words while talking about the jesus , Prophet Muhammad and all messengers /
pakistan is the 7th atomic power of the world , and u r saying , it is not real ?Quote:
Originally Posted by J-dyethose are not real countries :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles
give me a break man . :lol:
Can't believe you bit on that hook :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by saqibpakistan is the 7th atomic power of the world , and u r saying , it is not real ?Quote:
Originally Posted by J-dye
give me a break man . :lol:
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Originally Posted by BigglesCan't believe you bit on that hook :blink:Quote:
Originally Posted by saqib
I have absolutely no problem with anyone believing in God.
However I have a hard time putting faith in any religion.Most if not all seem to have been created by one group of people trying to gain power over another group.
Good example is Europe in the Middle-ages.Bunch of guys couldn't cut it as soldiers so they thought up another way to impose their will on others. The people were suffering from the same oppression it was just dressed a little differently.
Remember
"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you".
Don't know about you but if I'm ever in need of a hypocrite first place I'd look is in a church.
I wasn't aware of that.if Yemen is doing this so this wrong and against what Islam states and against common sense also but Yemen is just 3 million people and even if we add Afghanistan and Pakistan they will be minority among MuslimsQuote:
Originally Posted by BigglesIf the trees are sad they should be allowed to cut themselves :emo:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skizo
Sam, I am aware that there is school of thought that Aisha was 19 when she married Mohammed but some Moslem countries like Yemen have a marriage of 9 for girls because of the tradition that Aisha was 9. So it isn't just the West that perpetuates this concept. The few Moslem fathers that I have known would not dream of allowing their 9 year old daughters to marry but they were very Western in outlook so I don't know what things are like in Yemen, Afghanistan or Pakistan.
no educated muslim will allow 9 years old girl to marry.all muslim countries that i know of are prohibit such act.
no there is no such verse.in fact,quran said about Mohammed that he is just a man,allah blesses him with the message even prophet Mohammed himself said he is just a man and he told us not to praise him or think of him as a god .Quote:
Originally Posted by benchez
Mohammed told us to treat people equally told us to treat people of the book who don't fight us good esp. Christians and it's also in the quran .
all what's going on is from some radicals not all Muslims think or act like them.
i have Christian friends and neighbors and we visit and treat each other like we are brothers and sisters and it isn't just me all over my country is the same.
also hitting women and treat them bad only happened in poor neighborhood and people who do that will be punish by law.
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Originally Posted by BigglesI know this is a minor point but are there any religious texts from any religion that start "this is a load of pish and most of it is made up" ....Quote:
Originally Posted by moslem01
hoi moslem , just stop posting
let bawa do the explaining .
First :earl::lol: of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigglesI know this is a minor point but are there any religious texts from any religion that start "this is a load of pish and most of it is made up" .....Quote:
Originally Posted by moslem01
On here like, I did :lol::earl: lots.
I'm an :earl::lolboy:
I'm going to have to take exception to that, old bean.Quote:
Originally Posted by saqib
Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he forms part of the Holy Trinity which is God. That he came to Earth as a man, suffered and died horribly on the cross and was resurrected from death. He did this willingly. We believe that he fulfilled scripture in doing this, wiped out the sins of man and brought God's new covenant with his people. A "fresh start" if you will. We believer that he is the most important historical or theological figure who will ever live and we should follow him and base our lives on his teachings.
You think he was a messenger, like Moses.
So I'm going to have to suggest that people who follow Christ and believe he was God incarnate have a slightly higher opinion of him than people who think he was one of the prophets.
save me someone. (thing)
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP FugleyI'm going to have to take exception to that, old bean.Quote:
Originally Posted by saqib
Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he forms part of the Holy Trinity which is God. That he came to Earth as a man, suffered and died horribly on the cross and was resurrected from death. He did this willingly. We believe that he fulfilled scripture in doing this, wiped out the sins of man and brought God's new covenant with his people. A "fresh start" if you will. We believer that he is the most important historical or theological figure who will ever live and we should follow him and base our lives on his teachings.
You think he was a messenger, like Moses.
So I'm going to have to suggest that people who follow Christ and believe he was God incarnate have a slightly higher opinion of him than people who think he was one of the prophets.
I've attempted to explain this point on several occasions but was never able to do so with such clarity. I may be quoting that from time to time. :)
A pleasure old bean, I'm glad you approve, please feel free to use any or all as you see fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizoWell said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
I've attempted to explain this point on several occasions but was never able to do so with such clarity. I may be quoting that from time to time. :)
I'm one of those who have been profoundly touched by the religious experience.
Where I'm from, it's a cultural imperative to delineate your specific mental hobby-horse. Whether or not you ride that horse, you must be acutely aware of the proximity of those that love that hoss and will drive her to death with a virulent whip.
Religion shoulders the onus for many atrocities but it really comes down to politics. The politic of 'this is mine and you're not getting it' being the cynosure of the universe.
Indeed and if those committing the atrocities claim that they are doing it in the name of religion that does not make it so. Particularly if the actual heads of the religion make it clear that they are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by chalice
God has no son .Quote:
I'm going to have to take exception to that, old bean.
Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he forms part of the Holy Trinity which is God.
Jesus was son of miriam the virgin " dunno what you call her " , and god give him the life from his spirit without a father .
Jesus is not dead , wasn't crucified .Quote:
That he came to Earth as a man, suffered and died horribly on the cross and was resurrected from death. He did this willingly. We believe that he fulfilled scripture in doing this, wiped out the sins of man and brought God's new covenant with his people. A "fresh start" if you will. We believer that he is the most important historical or theological figure who will ever live and we should follow him and base our lives on his teachings.
the Jews crucified someone else that they thought is Jesus .
god take Jesus up to heavens . and Jesus will come in the final war between those who believe in god and those who don't and lead the believers.
it's all in the Koran .
He was a messenger from god .Quote:
You think he was a messenger, like Moses.
So I'm going to have to suggest that people who follow Christ and believe he was God incarnate have a slightly higher opinion of him than people who think he was one of the prophets.
Would it not be easier if we just picked some middle point like say
http://www.podmasti.com/uploaded_ima...SH6-720045.jpg
This is where ewe chaps will have to agree to disagree, cause at least one of ewe must be wrong:smilie4:
at the very least one :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proper Bo
Elephant gods don't count.
If they were any good, they would have stampeded the fuck out of humanity yonks ago, like.
Elephant gods are stupid. Fact.
:snooty: Colourful thoQuote:
Originally Posted by chalice
i want to ask some questions .. i really don't know the answer to .
is there one bible ? are they all entirely the same ?
do you believe that the bible remain the same through all those years and those priests didn't change it . even small things .
lately i heard that there is an old bible discovered that said that Judas was crucified instead of Jesus ! is it true ?
I'm not arguing with you. Your faith does not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, mine does. I respect your right to believe what you want, it's a matter of faith after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by S3v3N
God bless.
My point was and still is that my belief system holds Jesus to be a much more important figure than yours does, that he was God incarnate. I think you have basically proven my point yourself. So there really isn't any need for me to comment further on that particular issue.
Thanks for that. God works in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform.
Even the ordinary citizen elephants can...Quote:
Originally Posted by Biggles:snooty: Colourful thoQuote:
Originally Posted by chalice
1. Brighten up any girl's neck.
2. Make a nice ornament
3. Sit side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why don't we.
4. Feed a family of Zulus for 19 days.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proper Bo
I find the main difference here is that I refer to what I believe. Other people refer to the facts that they know to be true.
believe = know to be true = no difference .Quote:
Indeed.
I find the main difference here is that I refer to what I believe. Other people refer to the facts that they know to be true.
[verb] accept as true; take to be true; "I believed his report"; "We didn't believe his stories from the War"; "She believes in spirits"
http://www.elook.org/dictionary/believe.html
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i want to ask some questions .. i really don't know the answer to .
is there one bible ? are they all entirely the same ?
do you believe that the bible remain the same through all those years and those priests didn't change it . even small things .
lately i heard that there is an old bible discovered that said that Judas was crucified instead of Jesus ! is it true ?
Forgive me again old chap. However I think giving English lessons, whilst I accept you may be doing it for laudable reasons, may be pushing your luck a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by S3v3N
A belief is more akin to an opinion than it is to a fact.
Jp's right, like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP FugleyForgive me again old chap. However I think giving English lessons, whilst I accept you may be doing it for laudable reasons, may be pushing your luck a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by S3v3N
A belief is more akin to an opinion than it is to a fact.
If I believed he was a moran, it doesn't automatically make it true, like.
Up yours cawkmonger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proper BoJp's right, like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley
If I believed he was a moran, it doesn't automatically make it true, like.
If that's what you believe in, like.:unsure:
I'm not here to judge.
What a pile of pure wank.Quote:
Originally Posted by S3v3N
I am knowing this to be true, like.
The Bible is made up of two parts. The Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament. Both books were written by a number of authors over a period of time. The Old Testament was written over several hundred years and the New Testament over a period of a couple of hundred years or so. There were many texts from the Christian era not included in the final version drawn up around the year 400AD. One of those includes the Gospel of Judas (although he wasn't crucified instead of Jesus to the best of my knowledge).Quote:
Originally Posted by S3v3N
Now to the bit you might find difficult. The Koran, like the Bible developed over a couple of hundred years. Scholars are working on ancient Yemeni texts discovered in an old mosque back in the 1970s. These earliest texts show differences from the current Koran and subtle variations in emphasis. I believe something like 35,000 microfiche copies were made of these early texts and are currently being worked on in both Germany and Yemen.
The only religious text that was handed out in one complete go was the Book of Mormon (and that is completely mental imho)
I suspect that whilst your first paragraph may be acceptable to the vast bulk of right thinking Christians. You second may be unpalatable to most Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigglesThe Bible is made up of two parts. The Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament. Both books were written by a number of authors over a period of time. The Old Testament was written over several hundred years and the New Testament over a period of a couple of hundred years or so. There were many texts from the Christian era not included in the final version drawn up around the year 400AD. One of those includes the Gospel of Judas (although he wasn't crucified instead of Jesus to the best of my knowledge).Quote:
Originally Posted by S3v3N
Now to the bit you might find difficult. The Koran, like the Bible developed over a couple of hundred years. Scholars are working on ancient Yemeni texts discovered in an old mosque back in the 1970s. These earliest texts show differences from the current Koran and subtle variations in emphasis. I believe something like 35,000 microfiche copies were made of these early texts and are currently being worked on in both Germany and Yemen.
The only religious text that was handed out in one complete go was the Book of Mormon (and that is completely mental imho)
I could of course be wrong in that, it's just my impression.
wrong !Quote:
Now to the bit you might find difficult. The Koran, like the Bible developed over a couple of hundred years. Scholars are working on ancient Yemeni texts discovered in an old mosque back in the 1970s. These earliest texts show differences from the current Koran and subtle variations in emphasis. I believe something like 35,000 microfiche copies were made of these early texts and are currently being worked on in both Germany and Yemen.
The only religious text that was handed out in one complete go was the Book of Mormon (and that is completely mental imho)
Koran was made in 20 years only . god send Jebrae'l " dunno what you call him -angel from god-" different times in different occasions to the prophet Mohamed .. and told him different parts of Koran .. prophet Mohamed tell the writers to write it .. and Koran is the same tell know , all Muslims every where have the same copy .
there are copies from the Koran from the "Osman Ben Afan" era which is very shortly after prophet Mohamed died.
i would like you to put some reference .Quote:
Now to the bit you might find difficult. The Koran, like the Bible developed over a couple of hundred years. Scholars are working on ancient Yemeni texts discovered in an old mosque back in the 1970s. These earliest texts show differences from the current Koran and subtle variations in emphasis. I believe something like 35,000 microfiche copies were made of these early texts and are currently being worked on in both Germany and Yemen.
The only religious text that was handed out in one complete go was the Book of Mormon (and that is completely mental imho)
don't you think that the authors that wrote it have changed certain things .. b'cuz God says so in Koran ..Quote:
The Bible is made up of two parts. The Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament. Both books were written by a number of authors over a period of time. The Old Testament was written over several hundred years and the New Testament over a period of a couple of hundred years or so. There were many texts from the Christian era not included in the final version drawn up around the year 400AD. One of those includes the Gospel of Judas (although he wasn't crucified instead of Jesus to the best of my knowledge).