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Originally Posted by soulreaper

Now these very same people call it filesharing and not filestealing.

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It could be considered filestealing if when userA grabs a file from UserB and then UserB don't longer have the file. But since UserB still has a copy then guess what it is called filesharing.

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Originally Posted by bladesharp

Something like this should happen like stroj said ....if not .. just wondering how a community will grow !!!..

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Not every torrent site out there wants to be a huge site like TL or some of the others and so they have never had the need to open signups and slowly but surely the site grows.

Like I have said before different sites have different goals in mind.

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Originally Posted by WowZrBowser

To give you an idea.
We had open signups... People mentioned it here.
We had a total of 211 Users who signed up for new accounts FROM FST.

Yet since then...
Based on Invites/account trades we have seen go by..
(Wont mention how)
I myself have banned 647 accounts in the last 2 months from FST alone.
(Notice keyword MYSELF. Other staffs bans are not accumulated in this total.)

People say when sites let them in they dont have to trade/cheat their way into our sites.
Yet my own sites results show quite the opposite.
When we give you doors/invites to get in people dont want to go about getting in by those routes. They prefer to get in by trades/giveaways.

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Its sad really because you give the user the opportunity to do the right thing and only have one account, but they end up setting up two or three so they can later trade them. I am not saying everyone at FST does this, but I sure hate the people that take advantage of a good opportunity and ruin it for everyone else.

I have to agree with the above staff here.

If we did not get loads of dupe accounts, cheats, traders, Hit and runners (which ties into the dupe accounts) i would open all the time.

I would love 100,000 individual members who will use the tracker, take part in the community, play fair etc.

But the truth of the matter is, 90% just dont.

I would forcast that if we opened the site up for 100,000 members, like we have done in the past (we have nearly 50,000 now) so thats 50,000 new members, 40,000 of them will be scum (members i mentioned above).

for the dupes there are 2 kinds of users that make dupes.

1: Members that sign up, grab 2-4 games, go into KL, open another account, grab 2-4 games go into KL you get the idea

2: "oh BCG is open" make as many accounts as they can, because they will be closing again, i have all these accounts i can either trade to get into the higher more exclusive trackers, or i can sell the things and make a bit of profit.

lets just say, it pisses me off, and thats the reason we were closed for so long last year. If everyone played fair, i would open up full time, no problem there, but they dont, so we cant.

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Originally Posted by benchez

The staffers bust a gut and spend a hell of a lot of time getting users stuff they want for free. They don't get paid for it.
To then break the few, simple rules they set out is incredibly disrespectful.

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

"Private tracker" means exactly that: a private site for sharing things running by a group of guys who make some rules. It´s their site, they use their skills, time and efforts to do something they want in a very clear way.

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Two very valid points in my eyes. :yup:

Some people seem to have different opinions on Account Traders and Invite Traders though. They'll happily admit that account trading is wrong, yet they think Invite Trading is fine.

A simple analogy: "You can't trade chickens..but you can happily trade eggs"

So you can't trade chickens, but you can trade eggs..which over time become chickens anyway, right? An egg and a chicken are essentially the same thing, just at different stages on a timeline.
I beg to see why Accounts and Invites are treated separately, when they are the same thing; access for a user to the private tracker.


For this reason I am not a Community Rep here. I would not endorse the trading of ScT invites simply to 'stamp out' account trading. Reducing the account trading would never outweigh the approval of invite trading, in my personal opinion for the site I represent.

Nice analogy, and this reply does not mean i agree with invite trading, but i dont think it is "as bad" as account trading.

Account Trading:

That egg will more than likely turn into a crocodile. (it was a chicken, but as soon as the account holder decided to trade it, it goes back into being an egg, new member gets it, it hatches again)

Lurk in the shallow waters, hiding in the reeds, then when your least expecting it, jump out and take you under.

or

Trade the account, come to the tracker, just download/upload but never be a part of the community, and could turn out to be a nasty critter if he ever does show his ugly head.

Invite Trading:

That egg could turn out to be a gorgeous beautiful Swan, who will show off, and spread its wings and soar into the air without a care in the world.

or

They get to sign up in their own name, their inviter also has some restrictions placed on him for his invitee, so he will be careful who he invites (or should be). because the member has his own ID, he will be more likely to take part in the community and get to know other members and staff.

there is a chance they could turn into a crocodile but a slimmer chance than an account trade imo

changing ip = trader = ban = staff must explain why :P

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Originally Posted by LoKaLiRi

changing ip = trader = ban = staff must explain why :P

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Really :blink:, it is the staff's right to do anything they wish and changing IP, by this I mean complete C class range from one ISP or even country to another is the best way to track if a trade has been completed. The burden of proof is on the user if such a radical change happens, unless of course you know a staff member well enough and actually bother to notify staff that you are changing ISP's or country ?

And how about the invite tree gettign disabled? got an invite from someone ("obviously not traded") a.k.a by the fair game .. and was waiting for that tracker for a long time and defenitly will have a promise and commitment .. but one day someone else in the tree did something or did a public give away ... and the whole tree got banned .. initially was wondering what mistake did and y its happened.. the level of frustration is very high during that period.... :( ( From my autobiography)

usually people know in advance that they are going to move or change their isp. leave a note in your profile or pm a staff member before it happens.

"i had to move to the middle-east all over sudden" afterwards in irc doesn't count.

i would love to see a list of the top reasons for ip change of disabled users.

could be amusing.

"i was doing service in bagdad and there was this internet cafe ...."
"i chose an israeli isp because i wanted to improve my hebrew..."
"i always wanted to travel eastern europe..."
"those brazilian girls were awesome, but all i could think of was torrents ..."
"indian teenagers saved my life after a snake bite, so i gave them my bitmetv account..."
"i was arrested in romania. prison was boring but they had a 100mbit connection..."
:P

the top reason has already been mentioned:

"torrenting from the top of a pyramid is so much fun!"

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Originally Posted by bladesharp

And how about the invite tree gettign disabled? got an invite from someone ("obviously not traded") a.k.a by the fair game .. and was waiting for that tracker for a long time and defenitly will have a promise and commitment .. but one day someone else in the tree did something or did a public give away ... and the whole tree got banned .. initially was wondering what mistake did and y its happened.. the level of frustration is very high during that period.... :( ( From my autobiography)

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i beat this invite tree had rotten roots :D, i mean probably there was too many traders so staff disabled everyone ( its called prevention ) to avoid future problems.


lol @polarbear you have right it is really amusing sometimes, my favourit is "satellite connection ( guy told us hes from iraq ) ips from us,nl,uk,de and 30gb/day of upload ( guy was swearing he dont have shell account )" oO
when i asked him for direct link to hes speedtest he disconected sudenlly :>

@ polarbear :glag:

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Originally Posted by LoKaLiRi

changing ip = trader = ban = staff must explain why :P

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actually bother to notify staff that you are changing ISP's or country

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Quite a radical solution there Artemis,actually taking the time to communicate your situation to the proper people.
For all the knowledge some members have about all things relative to torrenting,they seemed to have missed the basics didn't they?;)

And polarbear "those brazilian girls were awesome, but all i could think of was torrents ..." nobody's that stupid.:lol:

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

And polarbear "those brazilian girls were awesome, but all i could think of was torrents ..." nobody's that stupid.:lol:

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Take a look, you´ll find even more stupid justifications.:lol:

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Originally Posted by Artemis

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Originally Posted by LoKaLiRi

changing ip = trader = ban = staff must explain why :P

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Really :blink:, it is the staff's right to do anything they wish and changing IP, by this I mean complete C class range from one ISP or even country to another is the best way to track if a trade has been completed. The burden of proof is on the user if such a radical change happens, unless of course you know a staff member well enough and actually bother to notify staff that you are changing ISP's or country ?

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thanks I wanted to post pretty much the same thing when I read that comment but didn't because I didn't want to come across as too hostile.