partial seeding improves your ratio - a myth

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I was going to post something along the same lines .
That's why I'm against it.It's an extremely negative act.
Whether it builds ratio more or faster I really couldn't care less.

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We may not like it, but if it isn't against the specific trackers rules (hopefully most tracker staff will read this thread and do something about it), then there's not a lot we can do except live with it.

You can't blame users for exploiting a loop hole, no matter how sour it tastes, and they will do everything & anything to "buffer" and publicise gleefully how they went about it, but I do wish trackers would implement a take it 100% or leave it rule (excepting samples of course, and packs, and there may be others, but the general thrust stands).

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The only times I have partially seeded is when I first joined a site and there were wait times, which I've always despised. For me this was the only way to build up an acceptable ratio until the wait times are cleared.

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

it´s not fair...

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Not fair? I'll tell you what's not fair. Thousands of Indians(barring IT workers) having shitty copper lines with 384 KB/s connections being told they have optic fiber 2mb connections, that my friend is a travesty.
While thousands of users in Romania and Sweden enjoy gbit connections without shelling out a fortune and become PUs and VIPs, Do you see the disparity?

Do they(*hint hint*) deserve a 20 GB action movie pack more than I do coz they have a fuckin gbit connection and I dont? No.

Does that mean I don't like to seed? NO.

Have the tracker staff at ratio oriented sites ever thought about those users with really bad connections without prompting them to press the P2L button? Probably not. Atleast they allow them to partial seed.

As much as I hate to say it, torrenting in the hard-to-seed sites has been reduced to a cut-throat competition, most users want massive buffers without thinking about their fellow brother torrenters who might have shitty connections.

Tell you what, come over to India(or any third world country,no offense intended to anyone) and build your ratio with 30 KB/s upspeed and 40KB/s downspeed without partial seeding on a site like Bitmetv or Waffles.

PS:- Prove me wrong and I might just show you Taj Mahal.

Chunk seeding worked for me built up 10:1 on Bitmetv to give me a little buffer with 50 kbps upload (60gb up & 6gb down) before starting to seed properly on a 100/100

TL is another example where chunk seeding works extremely well in the beginning if you have a slow connection.

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

We may not like it, but if it isn't against the specific trackers rules (hopefully most tracker staff will read this thread and do something about it), then there's not a lot we can do except live with it.

You can't blame users for exploiting a loop hole, no matter how sour it tastes, and they will do everything & anything to "buffer" and publicise gleefully how they went about it, but I do wish trackers would implement a take it 100% or leave it rule (excepting samples of course, and packs, and there may be others, but the general thrust stands).

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The practice is actively encouraged on BMTV.

It really sucks sometimes though. I have nothing against partial seeders except the fact that if you jump on a huge pack now knowing whether there are leechers or not, you may seriously hurt your ratio.

But I don't really care about buffering anyway...it's sharing, and that's all I care about lol.

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Originally Posted by tknaught

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

We may not like it, but if it isn't against the specific trackers rules (hopefully most tracker staff will read this thread and do something about it), then there's not a lot we can do except live with it.

You can't blame users for exploiting a loop hole, no matter how sour it tastes, and they will do everything & anything to "buffer" and publicise gleefully how they went about it, but I do wish trackers would implement a take it 100% or leave it rule (excepting samples of course, and packs, and there may be others, but the general thrust stands).

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The practice is actively encouraged on BMTV.

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Them poor newbs who sign up, then jump all over the huge torrents thinking there are plenty of leechers still leeching, then realise they have been sucked into something they can't possibly seed back, and then the only way out is to buy some GB from the P2L scheme :whistling

They couldn't possibly be doing that on purpose then.............. could they? :P

lol, exactly what I said SgtMajor. I agree. Guys, check the peer/seeders list and double check. I bet many people got killed on the what idoser crap.

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Originally Posted by soulreaper

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

it´s not fair...

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Not fair? I'll tell you what's not fair. Thousands of Indians(barring IT workers) having shitty copper lines with 384 KB/s connections being told they have optic fiber 2mb connections, that my friend is a travesty.
While thousands of users in Romania and Sweden enjoy gbit connections without shelling out a fortune and become PUs and VIPs, Do you see the disparity?

Do they(*hint hint*) deserve a 20 GB action movie pack more than I do coz they have a fuckin gbit connection and I dont? No.

Does that mean I don't like to seed? NO.

Have the tracker staff at ratio oriented sites ever thought about those users with really bad connections without prompting them to press the P2L button? Probably not. Atleast they allow them to partial seed.

As much as I hate to say it, torrenting in the hard-to-seed sites has been reduced to a cut-throat competition, most users want massive buffers without thinking about their fellow brother torrenters who might have shitty connections.

Tell you what, come over to India(or any third world country,no offense intended to anyone) and build your ratio with 30 KB/s upspeed and 40KB/s downspeed without partial seeding on a site like Bitmetv or Waffles.

PS:- Prove me wrong and I might just show you Taj Mahal.

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Well there are some places that take that in to consideration with a ratio-less system. Perhaps such users should stick to those trackers if bandwidth/speed is a problem. :unsure:

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Originally Posted by tknaught

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

We may not like it, but if it isn't against the specific trackers rules (hopefully most tracker staff will read this thread and do something about it), then there's not a lot we can do except live with it.

You can't blame users for exploiting a loop hole, no matter how sour it tastes, and they will do everything & anything to "buffer" and publicise gleefully how they went about it, but I do wish trackers would implement a take it 100% or leave it rule (excepting samples of course, and packs, and there may be others, but the general thrust stands).

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The practice is actively encouraged on BMTV.

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As it should be. Any site that doesn't want partial seeding going on needs to do it like BCG. They have all their packs rar'd up into a single (pack), so you either get the whole thing, or you don't get any.
I think partial seeding is great personally, helped me out greatly when starting on SCT.

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Originally Posted by soulreaper

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

it´s not fair...

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Not fair? I'll tell you what's not fair. Thousands of Indians(barring IT workers) having shitty copper lines with 384 KB/s connections being told they have optic fiber 2mb connections, that my friend is a travesty.
While thousands of users in Romania and Sweden enjoy gbit connections without shelling out a fortune and become PUs and VIPs, Do you see the disparity?

Do they(*hint hint*) deserve a 20 GB action movie pack more than I do coz they have a fuckin gbit connection and I dont? No.

Does that mean I don't like to seed? NO.

Have the tracker staff at ratio oriented sites ever thought about those users with really bad connections without prompting them to press the P2L button? Probably not. Atleast they allow them to partial seed.

As much as I hate to say it, torrenting in the hard-to-seed sites has been reduced to a cut-throat competition, most users want massive buffers without thinking about their fellow brother torrenters who might have shitty connections.

Tell you what, come over to India(or any third world country,no offense intended to anyone) and build your ratio with 30 KB/s upspeed and 40KB/s downspeed without partial seeding on a site like Bitmetv or Waffles.

PS:- Prove me wrong and I might just show you Taj Mahal.

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Talk to your senator. :)

Seriously now... Are you telling me all that speech living myself in a third world country and having until few weeks ago a 4Mbits/512kbits?... and paying more than 110 $/month for it... and with capping download speeds 60% of the time and hardly upload speeds of 40 KBs?

Come on, mate, don´t tell me stories because I´m returning from the end of Storyworld.

And thanks for your offer, but I already know The Taj Mahal. ;)

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Originally Posted by SgtMajor

:sly:

Them poor newbs who sign up, then jump all over the huge torrents thinking there are plenty of leechers still leeching, then realise they have been sucked into something they can't possibly seed back, and then the only way out is to buy some GB from the P2L scheme :whistling

They couldn't possibly be doing that on purpose then.............. could they? :P

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I'm not going to speculate on why, but there is a sticky'd tutorial on how to partial seed in their forums with encouraging comments from admins.

It really just depends on what your seeding, where you are seeding at, and how fast your speeds at. Honestly if you partial seed a few random rars in pack release it's prolly not going to help you out much. If you download a few episodes of that pack your seeding will be better.

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Originally Posted by benchez

Well there are some places that take that in to consideration with a ratio-less system. Perhaps such users should stick to those trackers if bandwidth/speed is a problem. :unsure:

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yes there is that option also... and there's ThePirateBay, mininova, demonoid, ect....

Very interesting post. I guess a real life experiment would be set up 2 accounts in same seedbox, grab same torrent at same time, and seed for same amount of time, and compare the results. Idealy, PB's calculation was correct. But for a slow connection new member, partial seeding would help to build initial buffer. It's a way to keep an account alive and be able to start downloading what you need. It's really pointless to over use it as it won't benefit anyone.

Partial seeding DOES work if you've got a slower connection than your peers and you get on a hot torrent while it's still fresh.

If you are seeding 100% of a file, people will download at least one chunk from you and one chunk from someone else - then the second chunk they download will be from the faster seeder(s), while you will move down in priority(assuming you have a slow connection), and so on. The problem is that they will not be downloading more than 1 or two chunks from you before they decide that you are too slow.

So if you only downloaded 1 or 2 chunks to begin with, then you are guaranteed to have a 1:1 ratio after uploading that to one person. Who cares if they don't download the second chunk, you already have a 1:1 ratio.

I've got firsthand experience that partial seeding works - after it being suggested by a mod on BitMeTV, TequilaVIP, nice guy too. Several time I've had a ratio > 20:1 within a day using partial seeding. I've never been able to recreate that when downloading an entire torrent - mostly because there are so many seedboxes there.

That said, here is how to do partial seeding in utorrent:
1. start the download (wait until about 10mb are downloaded)
2. go to the files tab
3. highlight the files
4. right click and choose don't download

It will finish downloading the chunk that it's working on and then seed all downloaded chunks. This usually only works on new and hot torrents so get on it early.

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Originally Posted by Nemrod

living myself in a third world country and having until few weeks ago a 4Mbits/512kbits?... and paying more than 110 $/month for it...

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4mbits/512kbits?!!?? What third world country has 4mbit?:lol:
90% indian home connections are 256KB/s,some may have 512KB/s. Maybe I should switch bases,time to get that visa!

If I had to pay more than 110$/month(Rs 4620/month) for an internet connection,I'd be on the streets begging for food and shelter.

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Originally Posted by benchez

Well there are some places that take that in to consideration with a ratio-less system. Perhaps such users should stick to those trackers if bandwidth/speed is a problem. :unsure:

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Yah well too bad ratio-free sites like Ftn and iTS never have open signups aye? :lol:
Maybe you could give me a head start Benchez?

At least i don`t need to get a box to seed back my torrents :D

the rest doesn`t matter

its not a myth at all and it works great for ppl with slower speeds. if you only choose a couple rars then you have those complete rars whereas others will just have a couple pieces of them along with every other rar as they're downloading so a lot more peers will be forced to go to you to dl the information that most people dont have yet when the torrent is first starting. basically you want to connect to the original seeder and get those full rars before anyone else and a lot of people will connect to you and you'll max out your speed until the majority of people are done downloading the whole thing. if you have a seedbox or really good speeds it wont matter much if any at all and downloading the whole thing is actually smarter in that case but with really slow speeds partial downloading is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by aysomc

its not a myth at all and it works great for ppl with slower speeds. if you only choose a couple rars then you have those complete rars whereas others will just have a couple pieces of them along with every other rar as they're downloading so a lot more peers will be forced to go to you to dl the information that most people dont have yet when the torrent is first starting. basically you want to connect to the original seeder and get those full rars before anyone else and a lot of people will connect to you and you'll max out your speed until the majority of people are done downloading the whole thing. if you have a seedbox or really good speeds it wont matter much if any at all and downloading the whole thing is actually smarter in that case but with really slow speeds partial downloading is the way to go.

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Yes this may be true but what happens then when you want a whole film and a few people are part seeding, you will be either unable to seed it back fully or will take a lot longer to seed back the whole thing.
So in reality it works but it hinders other people trying to keep there ratio and on another torrent that person may well be YOU.
Do the maths people on any torrent not every one can seed to a ratio or 1 any way as the uploader will seed to a good ratio probable a min of 4 if several snatches so that is already 4 people that will not be able to get a ratio of 1 on that torrent then part seeders and over seeders make it even worse.

Partial seeding is not a myth Mister Bear, what it is is a facking pain in the erse. That it is.

Did I mention you also DON'T get to watch/read/play whatever it is you "dl"?

It's the most tedious piece of crap there is. I'd rather ask a friend to share his box with me.

-Sherman

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Originally Posted by Duckater

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Originally Posted by aysomc

its not a myth at all and it works great for ppl with slower speeds. if you only choose a couple rars then you have those complete rars whereas others will just have a couple pieces of them along with every other rar as they're downloading so a lot more peers will be forced to go to you to dl the information that most people dont have yet when the torrent is first starting. basically you want to connect to the original seeder and get those full rars before anyone else and a lot of people will connect to you and you'll max out your speed until the majority of people are done downloading the whole thing. if you have a seedbox or really good speeds it wont matter much if any at all and downloading the whole thing is actually smarter in that case but with really slow speeds partial downloading is the way to go.

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Yes this may be true but what happens then when you want a whole film and a few people are part seeding, you will be either unable to seed it back fully or will take a lot longer to seed back the whole thing.
So in reality it works but it hinders other people trying to keep there ratio and on another torrent that person may well be YOU.
Do the maths people on any torrent not every one can seed to a ratio or 1 any way as the uploader will seed to a good ratio probable a min of 4 if several snatches so that is already 4 people that will not be able to get a ratio of 1 on that torrent then part seeders and over seeders make it even worse.

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Partial seeders show up as leechers, not seeder so there's no problem to your "Yes this may be true but what happens then when you want a whole film and a few people are part seeding, you will be either unable to seed it back fully or will take a lot longer to seed back the whole thing." The whole point of partial seeding in because your int speed is crap that you wouldn't be able to seed 1 to 1 anyway. People partial seed on shit they don't want, not shit they want.

Kind of defeats the whole purpose of file sharing though doesn't it?

This discussion isn't about the ethics of partial seeding, it's about the effectiveness of it. There are that many seedbox overseeders around here to make the ethics of partial seeding irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by bblogs

This discussion isn't about the ethics of partial seeding, it's about the effectiveness of it. There are that many seedbox overseeders around here to make the ethics of partial seeding irrelevant.

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Thus spake Zarathustra

-Sherman

Sticks.
Ethics are never irrelevant.

The problem is every body is chasing the impossible :)
It is not possible and never has been possible for every one to achieve a ratio of 1 on every single torrent.
People try many things to keep a ratio as hi as they can, never understood that really.
I am to keep a ratio of around 1.2 on sites I have not uploaded too which I think is about right for most sites :)

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Kind of defeats the whole purpose of file sharing though doesn't it?

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How so? There's a file, albeit a 'bit' and your sharing. Kinda is the purpose there, Champ.

partial seeding is great especially if you do not wanna dl a very big release but want to seed it eg. like a game.

it has always worked well for me. so i say it is definitely not a myth.

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Originally Posted by jars

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Kind of defeats the whole purpose of file sharing though doesn't it?

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How so? There's a file, albeit a 'bit' and your sharing. Kinda is the purpose there, Champ.

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You didn't change my opinion by your juvenile post jars.
All you accomplished is you managed to have me take an instant dislike to you.

How so? He just called you a champion, albeit a 'bit' :01:

-Sherman

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Originally Posted by jars

How so? There's a file, albeit a 'bit' and your sharing. Kinda is the purpose there, Champ.

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You didn't change my opinion by your juvenile post jars.
All you accomplished is you managed to have me take an instant dislike to you.

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Bwaahahahaha, 1500 plus posts on an internet forum predominantly used by cyber teens and suddenly you're offended by a post with a hint of satire. Grow a thicker skin and toughen up, Champ.

I"m not offended I just dislike you.

It think it has something to do with your propensity to insult strangers.:idunno:

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I"m not offended I just dislike you.

It think it has something to do with your propensity to insult strangers.:idunno:

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honesty rules!

so lets conclude.. its not a myth.. polarbear was wrong.. but it still sucks for some guys^^
if you want to discuss why it sucks, you can start a new topic ;)

partial seeding is GREAT at music sites. On my old comcrap connection with 35kBps upload, I managed to build a 100+gb buffer @ oinks by looking for any new uploads that had several people downloading within the first 30 minutes that torrent was up... download one track of that cd, seed it for a few days, and ratio would usually be around 40-50, with several hundred mB of UL for about 5-10 mB of DL.

ok i read posts and i need some help, now at SCC i am doing partial seeding and i think it will be problem for me because the section which iam doing partial.S is Archive and now at archive section FL and 2X upload were given ; i choosed movies/packs in that section and then i choosed torrent which have most leecher. Then i downloaded very small parts of torrent and started to partial seed , this was some times ago and since the day seeding started i uploaded 1.8 GB but i recognized that i am in the leecher list. And now i am thinking that this will be problem for me because my uploads releated that torrent is increasing day by day and i am still in leecher list and i will be always in the leecher list because of partial seeding. First problem is this ''does staff may think that i am Cheater, because i am in the leecher list
but my uploads increasing?? And second problem is about rule at SCC which is '' HIT AND RUNNERS WILL BE DISABLED FROM NOW ON,WITHOUT WARNING ''. This may be
problem for me because that torrent which i am doing partial seeding is very big so i never want to download it completely and if i will never download it completely so i will never be in the seeder list. After sometimes i must stop torrent because of no upload anymore. So when i will stop that torrent ,will staff think that i am doing ''HİT AND RUN'' ?? because my name never seen in the seeder list, i am afraid about it, i dont want loose my acc, please someone say me good idea about this situation.

thanks in advance

You are neither hit and running, nor in danger of being thought a cheater. Don't worry.

The staff will be able to see how much you have downloaded and seeded on any single torrent, so please don't worry as from the figures you have given you will not be flagged on any list for hit and running in any script they run :)

I really appreciated, dunson and Duckater thanks a lot for answers