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JPaul
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j2k4
BTW - tell me why, this time around, the news is not rife with stories of republican vote-stealing, intimidation, and cheating.
Might I suggest that it didn't happen.
Which is why they didn't win this time. I suppose two in a row would have been pushing their luck.
I will say this, in response to your response to my response to your response to my response to your thread topic:
Votes have been stolen right and left since time immemorial.
I am confident the left has taken their share over the last several election cycles, and though your view of our left is of a rosy hue, I will remind you that your own words have been immortalized (though perhaps cast away in the great postal debacle) here attesting to Auntie Beeb's infallibility, which virtue, you claimed, was owed to none other than your government's largesse.
Pretty silly, but you've stuck to it, or at least not bothered to depart from your naivete on the point.
Brilliant as you are.
I really mean that last, youngster. :)
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I have no view of your left whatsoever, none at all. As you are aware I know little of your political landscape and am less than inclined to find out.
I have done a bit of research into the structure of your administration as it interested me. I have also had a read of your Constitution, for the same reason. Juxtaposing your system of Government with our own, they really are very different. However the minutiae of the parties and their policies, nah not really interested. I suspect they are as blurred as our own nowadays. Diminishing political entropy probably.
As to "Auntie Beeb's infallibility, which virtue, you claimed, was owed to none other than your government's largesse.
Pretty silly, but you've stuck to it, or at least not bothered to depart from your naivete on the point."
I am genuinely at a loss as to what you are referring to. True Story.
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JPaul
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devilsadvocate
If you look back at my first response you will see I wrote about the southern states. These sates are only part of a nation comprising of 50. There was segregation in the south, NOT the whole USA.
Really, so everyone had equal rights elsewhere. No underclass other than in the southern states. Really.
How far back do you want to go and has your country never had an underclass? What is the statute of limitations on that?
Tell me, do you have anti discrimination laws in your country? If you do, why?
We have anti-discrimination laws, yes. They are there to make discrimination illegal, I think that's self evident.
Have these laws always been in place? when did they become laws and why was there a need to have them in the first place?
We also have laws against murder, rape, theft and a whole raft of other things which we don't want to happen. That's kind of how it works. Again fairly self evident I would have thought.
America has racists within it just like any other nation, yours included. It also has non race prejudices, but to say that it's a racist nation is just wrong.
Whatever may have been in the past is not what is now.
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devilsadvocate
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JPaul
We have anti-discrimination laws, yes. They are there to make discrimination illegal, I think that's self evident.
Have these laws always been in place? when did they become laws and why was there a need to have them in the first place?
We also have laws against murder, rape, theft and a whole raft of other things which we don't want to happen. That's kind of how it works. Again fairly self evident I would have thought.
America has racists within it just like any other nation, yours included. It also has non race prejudices, but to say that it's a racist nation is just wrong.
Whatever may have been in the past is not what is now.
What the fuck are you talking about, when did I say America was a racist Country. It most certainly was in the past, there's no denying it.
However did you read what I said, that it was much better now and that was surely evidenced by a black man being elected POTUS. I even said later that never thought I would see it in my lifetime.
I started the thread contemplating just how far on the USA had come in such a relatively short time. The thread was a celebration of it's growth as a nation and acceptance of all it's citizens. Not there yet but going in the right direction.
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I made a post
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devilsadvocate
I'm not suggesting that there is no racism in the US. You only have to listen to talk radio to see that. I'm not suggesting that it was a myth yesteryear in some states or that some clinging to that time aren't still walking.
I'm talking about the entire USA, Which if you take as a whole and not attribute the lowest fringe as the whole is no more racist than most of the rest of the world.
and you replied
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JPaul
You're having an even bigger laugh now.
What was the civil rights movement in the USA about then, if racism wasn't endemic.
If my interpretation of this is not what you meant then your last has clarified and no harm.
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JPaul
I have no view of your left whatsoever, none at all. As you are aware I know little of your political landscape and am less than inclined to find out.
I have done a bit of research into the structure of your administration as it interested me. I have also had a read of your Constitution, for the same reason. Juxtaposing your system of Government with our own, they really are very different. However the minutiae of the parties and their policies, nah not really interested. I suspect they are as blurred as our own nowadays. Diminishing political entropy probably.
As to "Auntie Beeb's infallibility, which virtue, you claimed, was owed to none other than your government's largesse.
Pretty silly, but you've stuck to it, or at least not bothered to depart from your naivete on the point."
I am genuinely at a loss as to what you are referring to. True Story.
It happened, trust me.
As I said, possibly gone in the post-flap.
The subject was an investigation of Tony's intent vis a vis some comment or whatall about the Beeb.
You were a voice in the chorus singing, "Auntie Beeb, she's a peach and would never, ever lie about anything at all, especially government influence, because she owes 'er boots to the government, you see.
Didn't make sense; still doesn't.
Anyhoo.
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devilsadvocate
I made a post
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JPaul
You're having an even bigger laugh now.
What was the civil rights movement in the USA about then, if racism wasn't endemic.
If my interpretation of this is not what you meant then your last has clarified and no harm.
Do you understand that the word "was" refers to the past. That's how we indicate whether we are talking about the past, present or future. By using "was", "is" or "will be", it's kind of a convention we have.
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JPaul
I have no view of your left whatsoever, none at all. As you are aware I know little of your political landscape and am less than inclined to find out.
I have done a bit of research into the structure of your administration as it interested me. I have also had a read of your Constitution, for the same reason. Juxtaposing your system of Government with our own, they really are very different. However the minutiae of the parties and their policies, nah not really interested. I suspect they are as blurred as our own nowadays. Diminishing political entropy probably.
As to "Auntie Beeb's infallibility, which virtue, you claimed, was owed to none other than your government's largesse.
Pretty silly, but you've stuck to it, or at least not bothered to depart from your naivete on the point."
I am genuinely at a loss as to what you are referring to. True Story.
It happened, trust me.
As I said, possibly gone in the post-flap.
The subject was an investigation of Tony's intent vis a vis some comment or whatall about the Beeb.
You were a voice in the chorus singing, "Auntie Beeb, she's a peach and would never, ever lie about anything at all, especially government influence, because she owes 'er boots to the government, you see.
Didn't make sense; still doesn't.
Anyhoo.
That sounds like a conversation in The Drawing Room, I don't remember it but it's unlikely to have happened anywhere else.
You do know I just made stuff up in there. You did know that, yes.
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..a random test in synchronicity.. I wonder what Osama Bin Laden's answer to this election result will be... now back to the "other thread"
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JPaul
Do you understand that the word "was" refers to the past. That's how we indicate whether we are talking about the past, present or future. By using "was", "is" or "will be", it's kind of a convention we have.
right back at you
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I'm not suggesting that there is no racism in the US. You only have to listen to talk radio to see that.
I'm not suggesting that it was a myth yesteryear in some states or that some clinging to that time aren't still walking.
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I fucking love it when the Drawing Room seeps into the Lounge.
It's like when your estranged uncle, who has tasted the wonders of civilisation, walks onto your kitchen floor wot you've just pissed all over for a laugh.
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right back at you
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devilsadvocate http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/image...t/viewpost.gif
I'm not suggesting that there is no racism in the US. You only have to listen to talk radio to see that.
I'm not suggesting that it was a myth yesteryear in some states or that some clinging to that time aren't still walking.
:lol:
You've just quoted yourself posting drivel and emboldened some of it. That's either genious or idiotic.
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JPaul
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j2k4
It happened, trust me.
As I said, possibly gone in the post-flap.
The subject was an investigation of Tony's intent vis a vis some comment or whatall about the Beeb.
You were a voice in the chorus singing, "Auntie Beeb, she's a peach and would never, ever lie about anything at all, especially government influence, because she owes 'er boots to the government, you see.
Didn't make sense; still doesn't.
Anyhoo.
That sounds like a conversation in The Drawing Room, I don't remember it but it's unlikely to have happened anywhere else.
You do know I just made stuff up in there. You did know that, yes.
Indeed; I was reminding you of it. :whistling
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Of course there is racism in the United States. But the ridiculous racists are of every color. Equalism is whats needed. I am glad that barack won, hes extremely intelligent, and his integrity is beyond contestation. I think he brings hope to the United States and i truly hope that he makes good on most of his campain promises. Impossible to appease everyone mind you, but anything is better than George W. or a decrepit old man (who probably wouldnt have lived through his presidency anyways) leaving the nuclear codes in a womans hands that thinks dinosaurs roamed the earth only 4000 years ago and her claim to foreign policy is i live 90 miles from russia. the fact she got as close as she had to that being an actual reality is kind of terrifying. Though most of Americans were more than unhappy with george w. 4 years ago and had black voters even showed a moderate turn out at the voting booths we would have started healing the economy back then. Barack deserved to win but not based on color, but on character and the issues that he plans to address. I think it is sad that alot of black voters , more than likely, turned out in such large numbers based purely on his color and not his great potential that he does possess.
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handyrandy
Of course there is racism in the United States. But the ridiculous racists are of every color. Equalism is whats needed. I am glad that barack won, hes extremely intelligent, and his integrity is beyond contestation. I think he brings hope to the United States and i truly hope that he makes good on most of his campain promises. Impossible to appease everyone mind you, but anything is better than George W. or a decrepit old man (who probably wouldnt have lived through his presidency anyways) leaving the nuclear codes in a womans hands that thinks dinosaurs roamed the earth only 4000 years ago and her claim to foreign policy is i live 90 miles from russia. the fact she got as close as she had to that being an actual reality is kind of terrifying. Though most of Americans were more than unhappy with george w. 4 years ago and had black voters even showed a moderate turn out at the voting booths we would have started healing the economy back then. Barack deserved to win but not based on color, but on character and the issues that he plans to address. I think it is sad that alot of black voters , more than likely, turned out in such large numbers based purely on his color and not his great potential that he does possess.
I've got a cold sore on the inside of my nostril. True story.
What should I do about it? You seem like the person to ask.
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For qualification, it's my left nostril.
I know that was your next question.
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lol you have a cold sore on the inside of your left nostril? i would call your physician and demand oxycontins(80 mg's). That has to be uncomfortable
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Thanks.
I tried headbutting several walls nose-first to no avail. I'm still not convinced though.
Do you think it has anything to do with the arrangement of my furniture cos I'll happily change that under your advice.
I'm desperate.
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Nasal herpes, you dirty, dirty bastard.
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handyrandy
Of course there is racism in the United States. But the ridiculous racists are of every color. Equalism is whats needed. I am glad that barack won, hes extremely intelligent, and his integrity is beyond contestation. I think he brings hope to the United States and i truly hope that he makes good on most of his campain promises. Impossible to appease everyone mind you, but anything is better than George W. or a decrepit old man (who probably wouldnt have lived through his presidency anyways) leaving the nuclear codes in a womans hands that thinks dinosaurs roamed the earth only 4000 years ago and her claim to foreign policy is i live 90 miles from russia. the fact she got as close as she had to that being an actual reality is kind of terrifying. Though most of Americans were more than unhappy with george w. 4 years ago and had black voters even showed a moderate turn out at the voting booths we would have started healing the economy back then. Barack deserved to win but not based on color, but on character and the issues that he plans to address. I think it is sad that alot of black voters , more than likely, turned out in such large numbers based purely on his color and not his great potential that he does possess.
You don't even know how racist you are, do you.
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They were metaphorical herpes, actually.
I do have a nasal wart though. True story. It's not clearly visible but it fucking wrecks me that it's there. I think it comes from coming into contact with one of my son's digital warts. He likes to explore orifices. Fuck! That sounds so wrong.
I also have a cyst on my chest which burgeons with each miserable year. But I've mentioned before that it's a karmic cyst, so I deserve it.
Apart from all those deformities, I'm a pretty handsome kinda guy.
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chalice
They were metaphorical herpes, actually.
I do have a nasal wart though. True story. It's not clearly visible but it fucking wrecks me that it's there. I think it comes from coming into contact with one of my son's digital warts. He likes to explore orifices. Fuck! That sounds so wrong.
I also have a cyst on my chest which burgeons with each miserable year. But I've mentioned before that it's a karmic cyst, so I deserve it.
Apart from all those deformities, I'm a pretty handsome kinda guy.
Can't you get the nasal wart burned off, in the cold way.
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chalice
They were metaphorical herpes, actually.
I do have a nasal wart though. True story. It's not clearly visible but it fucking wrecks me that it's there. I think it comes from coming into contact with one of my son's digital warts. He likes to explore orifices. Fuck! That sounds so wrong.
I also have a cyst on my chest which burgeons with each miserable year. But I've mentioned before that it's a karmic cyst, so I deserve it.
Apart from all those deformities, I'm a pretty handsome kinda guy.
Can't you get the nasal wart burned off, in the cold way.
Nope. Facial nerves are too sensitive for that. You have to have them surgically removed.
Warts are organisms. They have a life span. Most won't live past 5 years. The procedure is much like dentistry and less like surgery. the same aesthetics are applied, but if the doctor doesn't get the root, then you're fucked all over again and the bastard will re-emerge.
Which is what happened to me. So I'm waiting out the wart.
Good name for a poem that, now that I think about it, like.
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You must call your autobiography that - "Waiting Out The Wart".
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Disme
- The U.S. of A. is fighting in two devastating wars (Afghinistan and Iraq);
War is generally good for the economy. It creates jobs, expansion, etc. It certainly hasn't left us in "ruins". Quite the opposite.
It generally is good for the economy. It's shit all right now. It's definitely not good for us in general with lives lost and billions pissed away.
- The U.S. of A. has a huge dificit in it's states budget (due to those wars and other economic factors);
We have been in the hole since the 1940's. Nothing new there.
It's getting bigger....much bigger.
- The U.S. of A. is struggling with a huge banking crysis;
- The U.S. of A. is in an economic recession;
Largely due to the housing market.
In short, this mess was created by the same groups who've created the recent spike in oil prices over here as well.
Parts of New England and southern California saw explosive growth in real estate, and that bubble eventually popped. The same cast of characters that created the housing mess, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Bear Stearns, etc. are involved in this new oil bubble. When the housing market went south, they scrambled for a way to recover. They did so by investing in oil futures; only this time they are using federal bailout money to inflate the price of oil.
The way traders manipulate prices is surprisingly simple and goes beyond basic supply and demand. Demand isn't just made up of only real consumer demand but also demand created in the futures market. Hundreds of billions of dollars from hedge funds, pension funds, and other investments have been pouring into the futures market and this money has been creating an artificial demand which in turn is driving prices up. More specifically, they buy in European futures markets, which don't have the various limitations that U.S. markets do. That drives up U.S. prices where they may already have positions set by supply and demand. It’s market manipulation, pure and simple.
But remember, it's all linked to the housing market, and that is why banks are going belly up. As you see the housing market again taking a decline, you see oil prices dropping in unison.
When the housing market recovers, so shall the rest of our economy.
The housing market was over-inflated anyway. Oil prices dropped because the stock market dropped. This is related to the housing market but housing market does not = oil market.
- The U.S. of A. has a social system that is failing;
How so? If there is anything that is thriving over here, it is our social systems. :dry:
- Consumer confidence is at an all-time low;
With relation to what? :unsure:
Read up on what the consumer confidence index is.
It is at an all time low.
- Unemployment is skyhigh;
Current estimates are at 4.8%. Up, but a long shot from "sky high".
Unemployment is at 6.5%
- 85% of it's inhabitants are under the impression it isn't going good at all with their nation;
I agree that our nation isn't where it should be as well. Who isn't? Anyone who is satisfied with the economic market right now is completely uninformed. But on the uphand, it isn't going to be our end-all. It's a recession. This isn't the first and it won't be the last. We'll get through it just like we always do.
- You're international relationships have been seriously deteriorating during the past 8 years.
The only deterioration we may have had in the past eight years is with countries that don't wish to have a working relationship with the US or it's allies in the first place. Many of our staunch allies have been fighting these battles right along side of us. What staunch ally of ours has reversed their stance with the US?
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If you believe our relationships weren't strained you live in a hole. Do you think "no WMDs" helped our relationships?
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IdolEyes787
Of course no black person voted for him strictly on the basis of colour.:blink:
Just as no white person voted against him on the same basis.:(
The race card was always in the deck even if you didn't see it played.
Black Americans are predominantly Democrat. Maybe that was the basis.
When Jesse and Al ran, they didn't get far. Many blacks I know wouldn't vote for them.
Obama transcended race.
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Oh but we are, people never saw Obama as a black man, americans saw and see him as a leader with hope, somebody that can makes us feel proud to be americans again, to be respected in the world again.
Obama didn't run as a black man, he did as new hope.
Either you aren't actually
from the U.S., or you are the most naive and intellectually bereft person on this continent.
I'm leaning toward the latter.
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For clarification of my last.
Colour is still an issue, just one that people can see past now.
Yes, but I will go right out to the end of the limb to say racism, however it is perceived, is a bigger hang-up for blacks than whites, these days.
Whites compound the problem with their guilt.
It's pretty stupid, really.
Some compound the problem with their racism.
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JPaul
Of course it's a "bigger hang-up for the blacks" they are primarily the victims and have been since they were enslaved. It's maybe the centuries of oppression they are reacting to. Wouldn't you agree.
I don't even want to begin to think what "Whites compound the problem with their guilt." means.
For it all to finally elapse requires old beliefs be relinquished, which is (my opinion) a greater problem for blacks than whites.
Whites, therefore (and I assume you can discern the relevance) need to let go the guilt that should have perished with their elders.
I understand the reluctance to forego historic beliefs, but for many it is an active aversion, not to be given up without a pound or two of flesh and/or reparations.
I don't believe "getting even" is an entitlement.
There are plenty of white people that have no guilt and are racist.
Maybe we can start there and then those uppity black folk can stop getting all offended and stuff.
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If you believe our relationships weren't strained you live in a hole. Do you think "no WMDs" helped our relationships?
Please elaborate cause I don't understand what you just said ... English ain't my mothertongue :cry:
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If you believe our relationships weren't strained you live in a hole. Do you think "no WMDs" helped our relationships?
Please elaborate cause I don't understand what you just said ... English ain't my mothertongue :cry:
He called you a cunt.
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Please elaborate cause I don't understand what you just said ... English ain't my mothertongue :cry:
He called you a cunt.
and a liker of Hasselhoff music
Is Jesse Jackson on-side with Obama now? He was going to eat his nuts or something a couple of months ago.
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IdolEyes787
Of course no black person voted for him strictly on the basis of colour.:blink:
Just as no white person voted against him on the same basis.:(
The race card was always in the deck even if you didn't see it played.
Black Americans are predominantly Democrat. Maybe that was the basis.
When Jesse and Al ran, they didn't get far. Many blacks I know wouldn't vote for them.
Obama transcended race.
He certainly did among black voters, didn't he. :whistling
I don't agree, btw.
How would you know if those (whites, say) whom are/were not racist (you know they exist, 'cuz you know me), and who didn't vote for Jesse or Al, but did vote for Obama.
Obama transcended nothing, he merely ran a campaign for which race never became a central issue, given the rich menu of other salient topics.
He ran a smart campaign; one for which I wouldn't have forecast success.
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He ran a smart campaign; one for which I wouldn't have forecast success.
Against McCain and Palin, resulting in pretty much a landslide victory.
Remind me never to ask you for advice on stock to buy.
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He ran a smart campaign; one for which I wouldn't have forecast success.
Against McCain and Palin, resulting in pretty much a landslide victory.
Remind me never to ask you for advice on stock to buy.
The result was more a function McCain's poor strategy than Obama's excellence.
Obama's vagueness didn't turn people off.
There was also the generational disconnect that precluded a proper appreciation of Obama's socialist/communist/Marxist statements by our youngsters.
We've got tons of people voting who were born after the Berlin Wall came down.
No idea (and certainly no impulse to develop one) about the Cold War, USSR, etc.
McCain and his surrogates wasted valuable time harping on that.
As to your asking for stock tips, I would never presume; besides which, you've got more money than you have a right to, already.
Send a cheque to HM R&C immediately, you Scot slacker. :whistling
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JPaul
Against McCain and Palin, resulting in pretty much a landslide victory.
Remind me never to ask you for advice on stock to buy.
The result was more a function McCain's poor strategy than Obama's excellence.
Obama's vagueness didn't turn people off.
There was also the generational disconnect that precluded a proper appreciation of Obama's socialist/communist/Marxist statements by our youngsters.
We've got tons of people voting who were born after the Berlin Wall came down.
No idea (and certainly no impulse to develop one) about the Cold War, USSR, etc.
McCain and his surrogates wasted valuable time harping on that.
In spite of all of that you never foresaw an Obama win.
Spectacliar.
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Hoi. I was in Berlin when the wall came down. It was pushed!
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j2k4
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JPaul
Against McCain and Palin, resulting in pretty much a landslide victory.
Remind me never to ask you for advice on stock to buy.
The result was more a function McCain's poor strategy than Obama's excellence.
Obama's vagueness didn't turn people off.
There was also the generational disconnect that precluded a proper appreciation of Obama's socialist/communist/Marxist statements by our youngsters.
We've got tons of people voting who were born after the Berlin Wall came down.
No idea (and certainly no impulse to develop one) about the Cold War, USSR, etc.
McCain and his surrogates wasted valuable time harping on that.
As to your asking for stock tips, I would never presume; besides which, you've got more money than you have a right to, already.
Send a cheque to HM R&C immediately, you Scot slacker. :whistling
It's like a digital amputee clutching at lollipops.
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The result was more a function McCain's poor strategy than Obama's excellence.
So any Democrat could have won?
McCain lost the election, Obama didn't win it.
Lovin the denial, Kev.
Repubs are scrambling to explain that this was McCain/Palin's fault, if only a better candidate was around, he- and it would be a "he" wouldn't it?- could have explained the righteousness of the Republican philosophy.
I would posit that McCain actually did better than anyone had a right to expect and American voters were just sick to death of the crap that recent Republican administrations have been shoving down our throats.
In other words, Obama would have beaten anybody your party put up.
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j2k4
The result was more a function McCain's poor strategy than Obama's excellence.
So
any Democrat could have won?
McCain
lost the election, Obama didn't
win it.
Lovin the denial, Kev.
Repubs are scrambling to explain that this was McCain/Palin's fault, if only a
better candidate was around, he- and it would be a "he" wouldn't it?- could have explained the righteousness of the Republican philosophy.
I would posit that McCain actually did better than anyone had a right to expect and American voters were just sick to death of the crap that recent Republican administrations have been shoving down our throats.
In other words, Obama would have beaten
anybody your party put up.
See that's okay, other than "American voters were just sick to death of the crap that recent Republican administrations have been shoving down our throats." which is just hideous.
