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Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Llllllllllllllooooooolllllllllllllllll my fistr account was a scam.... u said it!!!! lllllllooooolllll at least u say the thruth man, these other like bum are just angels 15year old pimple angels .lolololol
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Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
Llllllllllllllooooooolllllllllllllllll my fistr account was a scam.... u said it!!!! lllllllooooolllll at least u say the thruth man, these other like bum are just angels 15year old pimple angels .lolololol
I'm proud of it to tell you the truth, rather than shamed by it. Not every noob out there can pull off a scam as good as I did. It was pretty swift. But ofcourse it wasn't right lol
This thread is an overkill. Why not stop calling each other names and labels? This is really ever boring. Time to move on and quit this meaningless, pseudo - debate.
Happy New Year Everybody!
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Originally Posted by Sylar666
Happy New Year to you.
Thats not true , some users have never traded because they could have been helped very fast to get from friends what they wanted without trading and the other option could be that some never traded because they've seen that traders aren't allowed on some giveaways and are pointed with the finger , but the only thing for traders to do is to be strong if they dont want to be "eaten" by the ones that are against trading . Also I think that former traders should be treated almost the same as the ones that never traded because maybe they had done something wrong one time but maybe they did this without knowing the consequences .Quote:
Originally Posted by Tudor
Tell us more about this scam Albo. I'm pretty interested in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
^^the past is the past. It should be left alone.. Plus a gentleman wouldn't kis and tell;)
The first invite I ever got was a Demonoid one I bought off of eBay. I've traded. I may again. Big deal.
Actually that is a really good point, in general it is the users who collect because of the 'level' rather than getting what they are going to actually use who are the worst. Whether they collect via trading or by being 'tracker whores' makes little difference the result is the same someone who just sits on accounts to feel leet and show off.Quote:
Originally Posted by integral
The trackers and forums accept former traders who have stopped trading, but it is the collecting for the sake of having the tracker without actually using it which is the most useless thing for the trackers to have.
what would op to say? :huh:
first post in new yr! lets have more fun :yup::yup::yup:
may close it now
When i started i use to trade,how else is one suposse to get a variety of trackers.And i can say i got acesso to all major trackers.Got a few of them.
Today i have 10,dont trade,yesterday i got a invite for a hard tracker but only because i went to a tracker forum and ask,there was a good soul.
No need for trades.
So, we can say you belong to the "former scammers" group then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid
(Assuming you don't scam anymore).
Have been tempted to trade in the past, simply because it's an easy way to join almost every site.
Glad I hung in there though because it pays off in the long run.
Wanna cookie?
Such a witty riposte. Is there something wrong with someone feeling good about feling they have taken the "high road' in their BT life? With people posting that "EVERYONE HAS TRADED!!1!!!1!!1!11" it's a valid addition to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanky
As far as former traders, I have no problems with them. As was stated in previous posts, it's the forum spamming collectors that put the biggest burden on sites. Guys who join every single new invite forum that comes along, for the sake of getting that free in of only having to show screenies of some random account with a positive ratio, are the people that are wasting space on trackers.
They join, buffer with their seedbox for two weeks until they have a TB buffer, then never use the account again. The type of folks with ratios of 10,878,124,874,464.666 that aren't uploaders. These folks hold the files till they get that ratio up, and never help to do what is the most essential to a tracker. That being to actually keep files alive on a tracker for more that 3 days, if that tracker is so lucky.
I know lots of true "former traders" (not to be confused with the "anti-trader") that are good members on some sites. One of the reasons we ask if there is any trading history on our application at PtN, is to have that answer as a reference should we find evidence of past trading. One thing I hate far more than a trader, is a liar, so we give people an opportunity to be upfront, because being a trader doesn't mean you're a piece of shit to me. It does mean you are unsafe, but I don't consider it any kind of indication as to the real nature of the people I'm talking to.
Because, after all, it's the internet. Hell, any of the active traders here could be one of the most saintly people on earth in real life, but that's separate from the internet, and cannot be taken into consideration.
Dang, I went and got all wordy and stuff. :wacko: Sorry bout that ;)
I couldn't agree more. At the end of the day it's only a virtual world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
If anyone takes any of this stuff serious or lets it affect them, then they should have a reality check ASAP.
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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
I for one don't buy that argument.
I'm not making any judgment on the morality of certain activities but I firmly believe that those that cheat at the trivial are much likelier to also do so when it matters.
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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
I for one don't buy that argument.
I'm not making any judgment on the morality of certain activities but I firmly believe that those that cheat at the trivial are much likelier to also do so when it matters.
Fair enough. It was mostly just a hypothetical to try to put the interwebz in their rightful place compared to real life. I know that alot of folks don't don an alterego on the internet, but the point was more that there should be some separation of what people do on the internet compared to what they do in real life. Call it a "grain of salt" argument I guess.
What if you think of it like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
I for one don't buy that argument.
I'm not making any judgment on the morality of certain activities but I firmly believe that those that cheat at the trivial are much likelier to also do so when it matters.
Say you just learned about private trackers and what attracted you to them is fast speeds. You don't know anything about "tracker community" and all this other bs. Your connection is kind of lame. Maybe your download speed is good but your upload sucks. You really want to download a game for your newly flashed xbox 360 or a movie which you wanted to watch for a very long time. After you download some stuff you are struggling with your ratio. The next day someone tells you of a cheating program which will make your ratio problems go away and you decide you want to take the easy way out, since you don't want to sit in your computer all day and stress about downloading a 1gb file. You go watch your favorite movie with your family, and have fun doing it. Now you realized that you just made your mom and sister have happy for at least an hour or two and you spend time with your family and all, then you got back to your regular RL.
Now how would you feel if someone said that you were scum in real life just because you behave so in the e-life.
Internet life and RL are two separate worlds. It doesn't mean that just because someone behaves a certain way in here, that they most liekly will do so in real life. Your theory doesn't drink water especially when it comes to begginers who have no idea what they are causing by doing what they do.
Now I will tell you that almost all of your post is very accurate so there's no denying that. I am just sick of the smugness that comes with all of these anti-traders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1tSuch a witty riposte. Is there something wrong with someone feeling good about feling they have taken the "high road' in their BT life? With people posting that "EVERYONE HAS TRADED!!1!!!1!!1!11" it's a valid addition to the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanky
They feel like they are the upper-echelon of the BT-cummunity just because they spend most of their time bashing and hating those who exchange invites, accounts, etc...
Yes traders are breaking tracker rules and so forth. But if there's something that this forum is not lacking is douchebag anti-traders and posts that suck their own dicks about "taking the high road".
If that's directed at me which part of my post screamed anti-trader ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanky
Can't we all just get along guys?
Traders don't harm the tracker itself anymore than collectors do. Trading is an excuse for the tracker staff to dissable as many accounts as possible, so they can make some more money by: selling invites, GB upload Bonuses(bitmetv) and accounts(btmusic).Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanky
Only some sites do not profit from disabling accounts. Sites like ptn,fsc etc... which use application forms as a way to get members in.
Someone want to be trader
someone else no
I dont know why u offens those guy
@Swanky: i even prefer traders who admit it than liars: http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...-please-327559
There are simply people that have felt no need to trade, they have made friends within the bt community easily, and have become 'trusted' members and therefore have been able to gain access to trackers with relative ease.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwankyNow I will tell you that almost all of your post is very accurate so there's no denying that. I am just sick of the smugness that comes with all of these anti-traders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t
They feel like they are the upper-echelon of the BT-cummunity just because they spend most of their time bashing and hating those who exchange invites, accounts, etc...
Yes traders are breaking tracker rules and so forth. But if there's something that this forum is not lacking is douchebag anti-traders and posts that suck their own dicks about "taking the high road".
I suppose in this way, this may generate a certain amount of smugness from some, but many of these members do not in anyway broadcast memberships, where as many trader/collectors have long userbars or custom sigs listing their memberships , this is truly pathetic.
But having taken the 'high road' they also have the right to tell others that trading isn't the only way, this is a fallacy so that people can justify trading. Basically there are two choices trade / or not trade, the former will get you accounts faster in most cases, while being a 'nontrader' will make you a more trusted member giving you access to some communities more easily.
Well Said Albo Da Kid, making mistakes is a normal human behavior in the RL as well as in the e-life, if anybody hasn't committed a mistake in the e-life at least once then it is some sort of a bot, being constantly judged because of some stupid mistakes in the past is not fair, I guess that some trackers dont mind traders while others do, if being a trader is not generally well seen and the person becomes a former trader(no longer trading) then that person should no be constantly insulted for having traded in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da KidWhat of you think of it like this...Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Say you just learned about private trackers and what attracted you to them is fast speeds. You don't know anything about "tracker community" and all this other bs. Your connection is kind of lame. Maybe your download speed is good but your upload sucks. You really want to download a game for your newly flashed xbox 360 or a movie which you wanted to watch for a very long time. After you download some stuff you are struggling with your ratio. The next day someone tells you of a cheating program which will make your ratio problems go away and you decide you want to take the easy way out, since you don't want to sit in your computer all day and stress about downloading a 1gb file. You go watch your favorite movie with your family, and have fun doing it. Now you realized that you just made your mom and sister have happy for at least an hour or two and you spend time with your family and all, then you got back to your regular RL.
Now how would you feel if someone said that you were scum in real life just because you behave so in the e-life.
Internet life and RL are two separate worlds. It doesn't mean that just because someone behaves a certain way in here, that they most liekly will do so in real life. Your theory doesn't drink water especially when it comes to begginers who have no idea what they are causing by doing what they do.
@ Albo : That's another aspect that people don't usually mention. Who says that someone that you gave an invite in a GA will be a better user than someone you traded with.
@ Cinephilia : I know the truth while you sir while you seem to have the right to brand complete strangers that you've never met all of these labels. Who says I didn't move from the Czech Republic to NYC on New Year's? Sure Elektronic IP banned me, so I guess that makes me a liar? :rolleyes:
@ Artemis : Agree with everything you said
@ Time-Traveller : I was just venting about non-traders. Nothing personal. I guess I took your previous comment as non-trader self-praising. I apologize if that wasn't the case.
I'm a non-trader but not an anti-trader, if traders want to risk their accounts & their invite tree's accounts I'm not going to try and stop them like some kind of BT police, I just don't see the point working harder to integrate into a site for however long only to have your account disabled because of trading in your tree.Quote:
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Firstly I went out my way specifically to say that I wasn't labeling anyone as "scum " .Quote:
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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Now how would you feel if someone said that you were scum in real life just because you behave so in the e-life.
Internet life and RL are two separate worlds. It doesn't mean that just because someone behaves a certain way in here, that they most liekly will do so in real life. Your theory doesn't drink water especially when it comes to begginers who have no idea what they are causing by doing what they do.
That said your argument didn't sway my opnion at all .I am unlikely to put my complete trust in anyone who say for a real life example cheats me at cards.Friendly game or not.
And while cyberspace may indeed not be "real" actions there can have very significant real world consequences so personally at least morally I fail to make the differentiation.But I guess whatever helps you sleep at night.
The phrase is "doesn't hold water" btw
someone who misuses the anonymity and namelessness of the internet to betray, cheat and scam is most likey anti-social in real life too.
there are studies dealing with the psychology of internet behaviour that prove this. the inhibition threshold is just lower, because the identities are unkown. there's no concrete victim.
it's different with flaming, insults or sexual behaviour. the mind of those can be totally different in real life. they play a role on the internet, are often shy, introverted and have a lack of social skills in real life.
so the theory of the conscious cheater who is a friendly nice guy in real life is wrong.
there are also studies about cultural, ethnical and sociological influences on internet behaviour. the country of origin and even religion does play a major role how people behave on the internet.
people in western democracies have a different understanding of social behaviour than somebody who lives in an islamic dictatorship or in a poor part of the former soviet union. socio-economic differences play a major role how people behave online.
if it comes to invites (and that's what the trust here is mainly about), i'd rather trust someone who's never traded before than some ex tarder who claims he's stopped now and all.
everybody who's new here can learn that trading is bad and frowned upon. people are warned and adviced all the time. it's in every tracker's rules. it isn't something that some n00b can easily overlook.
still people come here and create accounts just to make their first post in the tarding section after one month.
if you choose to trade, don't come crying when you realise that i didn't work out. don't ask for respect when you got all you want by trading which others earned with patience and trust.
there are people who repect site rules and there are the ones who break them. there are no good or bad cheaters. there are no good or bad traders.
an ex-trader has a stigma, if he likes it or not.
those veteran or ex-traders who realise they can't change their past and want to be a part of the communities now which they didn't give a shit about just months ago simply annoy me.
nobody likes traders in the private bittorrent community. sorry if you noticed this too late.
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and arrogant people annoy me, but that's off topic.
i hardly believe that it was arrogance that made me get everything for free what you had to "pay" for.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Polarbear
and arrogant people annoy me, but that's off topic.
but i can understand your frustration. once a tarder always a tarder. those people who chose not to break tracker rules from the beginning are so arrogant and mean.
if you at least distanced yourself from the mistakes you've made and help people to find the right way. no, you are still the proud trader, that nobody caught. more clever than any tracker staff. you still support trading and give tips wherever you can, jealous of people who simply didn't have to trade and hide. jealous of people who use the same name on every tracker.
you are just one of those "i got them all so i stopped" tarders that is still active on fst, because it's the only place where you don't have to hide your identity. post in any tracker forum that you got most of your trackers with trades and see how people will react.
you can't turn back time, so your only option is to be the proud ex-tarder that regrets nothing he did.
i can understand your frustration. really.
Putting aside what I said in my previous post, I have nothing against traders or ex-traders but I do think that trading is a bad practice not only for the trackers but for the trader itself it is even worse in the long run.
wasn't singling (sp?) you out. please step back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbeari hardly believe that it was arrogance that made me get everything for free what you had to "pay" for.Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
but i can understand your frustration. once a tarder always a tarder. those people who chose not to break tracker rules from the beginning are so arrogant and mean.
if you at least distanced yourself from the mistakes you've made and help people to find the right way. no, you are still the proud trader, that nobody caught. more clever than any tracker staff. you still support trading and give tips wherever you can, jealous of people who simply didn't have to trade and hide. jealous of people who use the same name on every tracker.
you are just one of those "i got them all so i stopped" tarders that is still active on fst, because it's the only place where you don't have to hide your identity. post in any tracker forum that you got most of your trackers with trades and see how people will react.
you can't turn back time, so your only option is to be the proud ex-tarder that regrets nothing he did.
i can understand your frustration. really.
but to answer your hypothetical, I use exactly the same name on every tracker. The reason my name here is different than on trackers is that when I joined here I didnt have ANY trackers and it was hockey season and I was in a drunken stupor when I signed up. Then I realized it was a stupid name (no excuse I know, but Im not looking for one)
Also, I in no way have every tracker I wish to be on. I haven't traded recently (or maybe I have) because the opportunity has not arose and also people offer me invites to places so I do not need to. I am not ashamed of my past, and I like to be helpful to people who are also not ashamed, any advice I can give people about trading or about anything else I feel is helping them out. I like to help people.
Also, I couldnt care less of what people think about me or what I have done.. online or in real life.
Last point, many sites I am on I have been invited by people on staff and they know exactly who I am here and on other forums. Maybe Im the exception, but whatever.
Good day sir.
Yeah, if anybody was a trader or is, it is because they choose to, some know what consequences it can have and some not.
Not in all cases. Some think quick and some don't think at all before breaking the rules. They might look at this as being just as a "virtual world" which shouldn't acquire much use of their personal behavior traits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
As you explained in your later paragraphs how ethnicity and culture can influence behavior on the internet and real life of a person, there are also variable characteristics which can influence a person at a certain given time and moment. We can never know what causes someone to take certain paths at certain situations. it's similar to a mouse in the labyrinth. The mouse takes whichever path thathis brain thinks up on at that short amount of time.
Studies are often based on one theory. These studies are similar to a controlled experiment which is made up of: a reasonable hypothesis, the variables and the conclusion. They only tackle one point of view and come up with a conclusion which they think is reasonable for the majority variety of people to comprehend. An individual should take into consideration some other facts and observations when overlooking such a subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
For example a regular person can react different to the RL and e-life. When he is in the workplace or school he is a funny, slick, swift, outgoing and capable kind of guy, and once he gets in his pc, his behavior can change dramatically. He takes on a new role. A less demanding one. A role which allows him to let himself go.He can look at situation and decide to react totally unpredictable just for the sake of it. Maybe to get a few laughs or to make a point etc.... But he just has fun doing it. And when he leaves the pc, he goes back to his regular behavior.
It is not determined in most cases that someone who chooses to look or act a certain way, is really the person that he shows himself to be.
Please don't take these studies too seriously. An individual should have his own opinion and create his own ideas to come up with a conclusion.
I would like to invite everyone regardless if they are a trader or not, because I know how it feels NOT to have a tracker and to want something. I'v been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polarbear
You say that a noob can easy overlook this trading issue, but I'd like to say a lot of us are overlooking it. Trading is not the real issue here. I will take you back now to why trading is "bad" in the first place(according to tracker staff).
Most trackers survive of donations. Believe it or not a lot off trackers like sct,bitmetv and btmusic profit from prohibiting trading and I will explain why.
Sct and bitmetv make money of selling invites and GB upload bonuses. It wouldn't benefit sct to allow trading because why would they want someone to trade their account to get another member in sct. They would rather want you paying 20Euros to invite your friend in, rather than exchanging accounts with him. The same goes for bitmeTV and lots of other trackers.
Another example is btmusic. Btmusic sells accounts straight up to anyone. They try to sell lots of accounts. How can they double their profit?? What excuse can they use to make someone pay twice for an account?? Well the trading excuse seems logical. They disable you for trading and they know you will pay up again for another account. This way they take twice as much from you. And if you are stupid enough to get caught than three times as much money is being wasted.
So basically btmusic tries to dissable as many accounts as they can to make lots of profit. I'm asking this again...What is the best excuse to disable someone????.......TRADING and cheating.
Now let me show you who is worse Traders or COLLECTORS
Someone that collects takes up space and doesn't use the tracker. Someone who trades uses the tracker and helps with seeding etc. Builds up a buffer and passes it on to the next one who might settle with the account and use it.
Who is doing more damage to the tracker someone who is helping with seeding and using the tracker or someone who is just sitting there looking preety and not even helping wiht the peers.
If trackers didn't use the "trading" excuse as a tool to profit, then we wouldn't be calling people scum and liars and traders etc... We wouldn't be afraid to invite someone who trades his accounts to get in. Our worries would be directed at Collectors instead. We would be afraid to invite someone who doesn't use the site. Why do you think scl doesn't improve?? Besides their staff's bad choices, they let too many collectors sit there and they worry about traders and public giveaways instead:lol:
That's bulls*it propoganda used to put someone down. Some users feel overmatched in a debate and their first defense is to point that out and make the crowd follow in. (crowd= a bunch of idiots in most of the cases)Quote:
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Only the ones who cant see the angles, are the ones that don't like traders. I personally despise collectors.Quote:
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On people's behaviour on the internet and off it, I think "man is least himself when he talks in his own person, give him a mask and he'll tell you the truth". People in "real life" often are not as straight foward as they think they can be in a message board, protected by distance and a computer screen. Some of them (and I mean you too now, Albo) think they can judge people they know nothing about based on a single remark, and actually do so, saying whatever they feel like at a given moment 'cause they know there are no real consequences to their behaviour. They can just shut down their computers and walk away.
As the reason for this topic was not to discuss traders, I think former traders (if they really are former traders and not just saying that on their signature) are ok, if they are no longer trading and just want to get into the sites they need and maybe give something back once they have what they wanted. About collectors, I see how they are annoying - but somebody that trades an invite you gave them for personal benefit is no better. At least that's what I think.
I wouldn't say I'm a former trader, as I've never actually traded an invite. But when I first joined this site I thought it was all about trading, I thought the only way to get invites to the sites I wanted or with the stuff I needed, was trading for an invite to some other site. Then I kept reading this board and discovered that wasn't the only way, that people can give away and recieve without having to "pay" a price.
is it still open?