How would "You" get good members

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Originally Posted by bumrocks

I have not read everyones answers so this may be a dupe but it is my answer...

To the question in subject line.

My feeling that there is no perfect way, but the best way is via an app process with profile links...Mandatory minimum of 4, imo. And then start looking into as much history as possible...Obviously, looking at account times, stats, usernames, and such...Tedious it is, but the closest thing to letting people in that you don't know as safely as possible. And should they dick you around whether it be trading or cheating you will have links to their other accounts!

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Having a specific class of "psuedo" staff to do this helps. It takes some of the burden off your staff members, and I'm sure that you wouldn't have too many problems finding 5 or 10 users at BCG that are well trusted and well placed thata have been there for a long time. I guess the biggest factor would be how many new users you want/need per month. If the sky's the limit on your user limit, then that is moot I guess, but my approach has always been "slow and steady" on our site.

In your case you may want to seriously consider a Game based interview form, whether it be through "recruiters" or an irc channel, or both for that matter. You are a dedicated tracker after all, so it would make sense to see some sort of knowledge about gaming be possesed by potential members.

At the heart of it, I really think it would be hard to have a relatively foolproof method for a site as big as yours. While opening the doors would eliminate alot of trading, they would have to be open for a while for people to be convinced that it's not "worth" something trade wise, and that would do nothing to deal with the cheating problem.

i think best method is invite only good members.
and be carefull when invite members so no :shit: ones join.
is always hard, but signups not the best option. :noes:
i think it.

I understand the concerns behind this, but a small community will make things move slower.

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Originally Posted by SoulEdge01

Ok, I understand, but you are the owner man, lets say I speak with Cirno, how can he decide over you?

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from my experience, most staff don't interfere with other staff member's decisions when it comes to banning users.

honestly, neither of them probably care about your account or the problems you got yourself into.

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Originally Posted by stoi

well in all honesty mate, i did not ban you it must have been cirno, so if you want a 2nd chance (which you will not get because you cheated) you will have to speak to him.

You can say all the excuses in the book, but what you fail to grasp is this.

I have been there, and still am.

I used to have a PC with an 11gig hdd, i ran the tracker on that and seeded new XBOX games by myself and on a 25KBs connection.

Now I have the HDD space but my connection is still crap, from 10am to 10pm I have to limit my uploading to 10KBs or I get capped if I upload 1.3gig in that time, and my net slows to a crawl.

I also have to turn my PC off on a night as well.

I am the owner with DB access.

But guess what, I still do not cheat, it just means that instead of a week to get SP it takes me 2 weeks, and instead of 4 days to get a 1:1 on a 360 torrent, it takes me 2-3 weeks.

I have even downloaded these PSP packs, so over 100gig, but i have seeded them till SP and I am still seeding them and will do till i get over a 1 Actual ratio on them in my client, and probably for months after as well.

There is just no excuse for cheating, and sorry but if you got caught, good.

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Well said these people always come out with the same excuse of it was my first time, i had problems with my internet etc etc, i have a modurate internet speed and seem to survive with awesome ratios on all the tracker that i am on, even the ones they say u should not join unless u have a seedbox. I swear its just about being patient, if people were a little more patient and not greedy they wouldnt never have a need to cheat.

I think private torrent trackers need a way to measure the upload speed of potential members.

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Originally Posted by TakeMS

i think best method is invite only good members.

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It's not that often that I read such genius, I'll have to sit and contemplate for hours so I can attain that level of understanding.

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Originally Posted by stoi

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Originally Posted by basilhaydens

Torrent users need to stop stressing over this crap, because it hardly makes a difference. Just open signups and have a user limit and if you find users who really break rules, warn/ban.

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You have 2 problems with that though.

Security for the members, anyone can sign up, jump on a torrent, get a list of IPs

Back to the sign up, hit and run, get banned, change IPs, new email, sign up, hit and run, get banned again rinse and repeat.

Also believe it or not, when we used to open, members would just sign up 20-250 times, so when we closed, they had accounts to trade/sell.

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In any community you find good and bad people, there is not way you can know who's going to be good, if we could this world would be perfect, but it is not.
How can anyone sign up more than once and not get cought?

@ small site it is simple. They've small userbase, within that userbase very few have invite, and if anyone trys to misuse it they'll be caught easy.

@ big site it must be awful dealing with bad apples. If they're open they get loads of traders, cheaters, previously banned members, invite/account sellers, and possibly all scums in the planet. Now if they are closed, the userbase is still big and so is number of invites that are available. Furthermore, these trackers will likely have like 1 staff per 1000 users or even more (OiNK cough OiNK) ever and on top of that the invite system is the easiest one ever (invites upon promotion like). With all this madness, all staffs could spend their entire freetime clearing up the bad apples and it would not be enough.

imo, larger sites need to make a different approach.

1) increase # of staffers. I seen a tracker with 15+ staffers and that is one among many fun part of the tracker. If there are more staffers, they can divide work load among themselves. Like, coders could focus on coding and coding only and the rest could do other stuff like watching over the forum, torrent page, irc etc.

2) make a different approach to invites. regardless of how big a tracker is, imo, everyone should upload if they want higher userclass/ invite. While doing so, bunch might just come to appreciate the tracker more than ever.

3) don't hand out invite to everyone at once. If a site has 20,000 users and if 10,000 are eligible for invites then roll their turn each month like-

2,000 this week
another 2,000 next week and so forth

prolly won't help much if the # are as high as 2,000 but that's just an example.

4) share IPs with other trackers, meaning get IPs from them and give IPs to them. Permanent ban for sellers and cheaters. They are not worth the time.

5) if you are getting tons of bad apples from particular area (like country) save yourself and do a IP range ban. i know you woudn't agree with it though.

Lastly, don't stress to much on invites. If you have done enough precaution then you likely won't get much bad apple as you normall would. If you have not, then you'll get tons of cheaters, traders, invite sellers and filtering them will take you all day.

If someone is selling an invite, hunt them for sure. Name the shame and make an example out of them. But don't waste your time going after each trading report you get...well, unless you have enough manpower to do it. That again brings back to having more staffers.



^ give invites to those that manage to go through all that is listed above. They'll find good members for you. You don't have to go door-to-door recruiting, it's really unnecessary. Just focus on the tracker itself..and once people recognize it as the best those who good members will make in the tracker through friends.


P.S. how many staffs are in BCG btw?

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Originally Posted by SaviouR

How can they use a site as currency when they are signups the whole time ? Thats what i said in my above post , signups eradicate all these problems (Dupe Accounts , Trading etc) go away

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as i said though you cant keep them open forever. there is always a limit, wether you want 30K or 100K
once thats reached they cannot keep signups open.

not every site simply wants to keep expanding as they get more members.
some are happy with the 25,50,100K limit.
obviously if they expanded forever and ever, then it would work, because the accounts would have no value.

I think giving staff invites and letting them invite and recruit people they know is the best option.

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Originally Posted by KushBlow

I think giving staff invites and letting them invite and recruit people they know is the best option.

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Staffs are human themselves, so I'm sure they'll become rather narcissistic if that happens. :lol:

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Originally Posted by AniStoned

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Originally Posted by KushBlow

I think giving staff invites and letting them invite and recruit people they know is the best option.

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Staffs are human themselves, so I'm sure they'll become rather narcissistic if that happens. :lol:

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If they're dedicated members who contribute to the tracker (like staff should be) I doubt they'll bite the hand that feeds them :dry:.

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Originally Posted by KushBlow

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Originally Posted by AniStoned

Staffs are human themselves, so I'm sure they'll become rather narcissistic if that happens. :lol:

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If they're dedicated members who contribute to the tracker (like staff should be) I doubt they'll bite the hand that feeds them :dry:.

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Well, there are lots of people who don't really know leet people so they wouldn't know how to get an invite.

But there are also lots of people who cheat.

On a side note:
I think I know you, KushBlow. ;)

Anistoned i think i know you too. Aren't you that dude who tried to get a revolt invite in the revolt irc acting as a chick? Then got banned? I think the name started with Ani. Ani_ntura or something

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Originally Posted by AniStoned

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Originally Posted by KushBlow

If they're dedicated members who contribute to the tracker (like staff should be) I doubt they'll bite the hand that feeds them :dry:.

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Well, there are lots of people who don't really know leet people so they wouldn't know how to get an invite.

But there are also lots of people who cheat.

On a side note:
I think I know you, KushBlow. ;)

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Oh yeah I think we shared a Whatbox together :).

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Originally Posted by Albo Da Kid

Anistoned i think i know you too. Aren't you that dude who tried to get a revolt invite in the revolt irc acting as a chick? Then got banned? I think the name started with Ani. Ani_ntura or something

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What's revolt? o_o

I only use this name here on FST as I don't wish to reveal my identity on certain trackers.

I can show you a few of my profiles on certain trackers if you want, name it.

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Originally Posted by KushBlow

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Originally Posted by AniStoned

Well, there are lots of people who don't really know leet people so they wouldn't know how to get an invite.

But there are also lots of people who cheat.

On a side note:
I think I know you, KushBlow. ;)

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Oh yeah I think we shared a Whatbox together :).

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Oh! That's why.

Response to the OP.

My way of getting nothing but good member is this:

Give invite only to the higher classes and old member who never had any problems before, and give invites to all members in the irc channel whom you got to know overtime.

You also mentioned that plan where you give 200 members referrals to use only at a certain day and at a certain hour. If you see any trade offers and invite selling going on in ebay/forums, then you know who to point your finger at.

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Originally Posted by KushBlow

I think giving staff invites and letting them invite and recruit people they know is the best option.

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staff should already be have invites ... O.o if not, then they shouldn't be staff imo.. lol

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Originally Posted by stoi

1: Giveaways
Public giveaways and private giveaways(there's some private trackers invite forums) can be meaningful cuz find a someone who member a tracker sometimes really hard.If you forbid members for giveaway how come we will register tracker, everybody dont have too much friend especailly into bittorrent network...

2: Trades
Ban the invite tree is not a answer cuz i am pretty sure traders always have a another(spare) account and i am sure they dont care ban cuz they already met with this pain.
But ban the invite tree cuz if someone respond about own invite tree and account he/she will invite only trusful ppl.

3: Selling

I think everyone agrees this is wrong

4: Cheaters
Ban invite tree again cuz cheating is an illness.Who can say members cheating for have slow connection.(we already saw some ppl used cheating tools at seedbox on hdbits :huh: Hdbits? i already know seed back on hdbits is really easy cuz all one have decent speed with seedbox or without cuz if you really into HD file format you must have decent speed, decent hardware (for playable),decent storage(for archive) who will download 40 Gb bluray movie with 1 mbit connection if you will with this connection this will tke 5 days with 7/24 leeching how you will seedback this file Huh? anywas this is not point of this article ....
i always hate cheaters and this is probably most reason to ban a whole country...

5: Hit and Runners
Well, this is another HUGE problem. I want to ask ppl if you jump hot a new torrent with seedbox and leech and seed only for buffer and when other seeds came and upload rate down delete this torrent and jump new hot file Huh is this really will help tracker? who care ?
I want to say something: if you dont want to seed at least seed long time what you love (for example a movie,video clip,game which file doesnt make sense) i think this is main soul to sharing....

hit and run is really a problem especailly if this is on seedbox...

my solution is give slot or wait time for one week if someone hit and ran
6: opening up

See all points above but also dupe accounts, sign up hit and run, get banned, change IP sign up again, rinse and repeat over and over again.

true what you said and if tracker owner allow giveaway like what i said at the begining you dont need to opening up
but everyone not familiar with bittorent forums and tracker...
What i want to say :I know i looked for 1 month for a demonoid registration code after 1 month they opened sign up at a friday night and i registered....
and look bitmetv.org they opened the doors when they ~20k and got 5 k new members and after 1-2 months what happened they left ~20-21k again but they got some members love , i already know someone was looking for 6 months for a bitmetv invite get a an invite to this traker was hard cuz everyone respondsible with invite...
But we already saw
*someone parked new account which got from sign up lol this was really funny
*some idiots tried to cheat and this was reason ban to Brazil and Portuguese
*someone only leeched tv packs only download 70 Gb and upload less than 1 gb Huh ?
well if you open sign up man y dupe and useless account you willl have

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well these are my thought i just saw and wrote if this will help someone i am so glad...
and i want to say what the f*ck going on ?:ermm:
this topic posted yesterday and got 99 replied and some of post really bull $hit
yeah someone really love the spam ppl arguing...
FST staff really must do something i realy dont belive someone will read 99 post yeah maybe stoi will do cuz he want to know members thought about his topic but how come i will read 99 post ...
stop the spam!:ermm:

Of course the obvious answer is going to be your friends. While, it be in real life and the internets. Of course after you've been around for awhile you're friends won't need anymore invites for you to share. So what's a person who wants to share invites to do? Some may do a giveaway so that they can attract a gaggle of potential invitees, some may just lurk around in people request threads and invite them in private. I personally like doing giveaways because I'm eager to see who I know, like, and trust that I can help out. Giveaways enable shy people, or people who don't want to look completly needy the ability to express their interest without really having to put themselves out there. The biggest criticisms of giveaways is that there are alot of "free sample" giveaways where it seems the person doing the giveaways is giving them away to anyone. The carefully done giveaways are done in such a fashion where the results aren't going to manifest themselves publically, thus the public won't know of what good has been done. All in all it just depends of the inviter and how much they care about their trackers.

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well these are my thought i just saw and wrote if this will help someone i am so glad...
and i want to say what the f*ck going on ?:ermm:
this topic posted yesterday and got 99 replied and some of post really bull $hit
yeah someone really love the spam ppl arguing...
FST staff really must do something i realy dont belive someone will read 99 post yeah maybe stoi will do cuz he want to know members thought about his topic but how come i will read 99 post ...
stop the spam!:ermm:

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Actually your post is one of the few spam posts in this thread :ermm:

Most of us are having a decent conversation about a hot subject. So keep it on topic please :)

Well I'm not going to read through all this, but I have thought about this.. also before this topic even being posted.

What I would do if wanting as many good members as possible. First of all I would not hold members accountable for who they invite.

I would give every member in good standing a referral code every month (a maximum of 2 if not used). This referral code would not guarantee the one using it entry, but rather give him/her the chance to fill out an application.

The Application would include links to a few pages of stuff that the proposed member should read before becoming a member. After filling out the application and checking a box saying he/she had read the proposed material, a redirect would happen, pointing to a small questionnaire, which had 3 random questions (from a large pool of questions) best answered if actually having read the material.

If someone fails, the referral is gone i.e. no retries and said potential member would have to wait a month or get a referral elsewhere.

If passed the application would be entered into a queue. I would then have volunteers check every application. Volunteering to do this would give brownie points in some way. E.g. people who for some reason ended up with less than perfect ratio could redeem themselves by finding 20 good applicants (let's say at last 15 out of 20 in good standing after 3 weeks). Another could be look through 200 applications and be immune to deletion from inactivity or bad ratio. or 100 other possible scenarios.

People who did not do their homework and allowed above a certain % of bad members to join would be deemed useless and not only be disallowed from reviewing apps, but also would never be able to invite anyone ever again.

And last but not least. Have quite a few reviewers. At least 2 or 3 would have to approve. If one disapproved of an applicant, he/she would have to provide a valid reason (something which would have to be done by cooperation between staff on several sites), and this applicant would never be able to apply again.

If the member was not rejected but only didn't get enough yes votes after a certain period, lets say 2 days, he would be free to apply again at a later date.

Of course trusted members and staff would be able to invite regardless. When saying trusted members, I mean hand picked.

I haven't bothered to read through all 11 pages, so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, it probably has though.

But if I were tracker staff, I would do what some of the trackers do and do applications. Sure, it may be more work than just simply handing out invites for people to use. But at least this way you'd be able to review each newcoming member to see if they're "good" or "bad". I think this is the best way to go about it.

Good ideas Blue_Skies (Heya btw, haven't talked with you in a looong time).

Your ideas kind of tie into the general idea of having some sort of group of recruiters or "reviewers" in your scheme of things.

I think this idea would work great, especially if they discussed potential members or had to vote, etc, like you mention.

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Originally Posted by mamacita

Good ideas Blue_Skies (Heya btw, haven't talked with you in a looong time).

Your ideas kind of tie into the general idea of having some sort of group of recruiters or "reviewers" in your scheme of things.

I think this idea would work great, especially if they discussed potential members or had to vote, etc, like you mention.

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Hi yeah I haven't around too much. Busy busy busy.

Yes, a section would of course have to be set up only for reviewers, where is someone had relevant info on someone, they could post it. Maybe like a forum with threads, but only:

Desired username - date and time of application - no. of replies - no. of yes/no votes
Desired username - date and time of application - no. of replies - no. of yes/no votes
Desired username - date and time of application - no. of replies - no. of yes/no votes

What I would love to see in conjunction with that is a follow up by recruiters analyzing an applicant's activity at other torrent sites.

Not just checking their ratio and post count, but how much they upload and download (every site needs good leechers), what quality their posts are, if any, etc.

About one of your other points...

Giving people incentives to review and recruit is great, but I'm not so sure it'll give the end result the site would be looking for (better new members). As soon as you put a reward on the end, people will stop caring how they go about achieving that reward.

Then again, you also mention a negative consequence for inviting bad users, and that could counterbalance this.

I'm just not so sure about letting the "troubled" users review in order to fix their woes. What kind of recruiter would a bad user really be?

Like I said, the options on finding reviewers are endless. Another option could be just allowing especially good users review.. but still that poses the question of what kind of brownie points they would benefit from.

Part of what I wrote there also goes against everything I believe about deleting for inactivity. I don't think any account in good standing should ever be deleted. Put it in inactive mode maybe, but not delete.

A very excellent thread.. We need more quality threads like this in FST. Now my 2 cents

I personally don't like the invite system at all. The invite system was started to reward good members of the tracker and by giving them invites so that they can give it to their friends etc. But now the whole concept of invites has changed. Most members already have invited their friends and all that extra invites which they have end up in giveaway threads and trade threads. IMHO people with invites give them away to increase the size of their e penis. I am not saying all but most of them :).

I agree with cabalo and others.. All trackers' doors should be closed. When they decide to invite people they should start some giveaway themselves or with the help of recruiters and invite as many people as they like. Abolish the invite system. Give good members upload gigs instead. As I said when u start giving people invites the whole trading scamming thing starts. The staff can follow whatever procedure they like to give someone a invite. But in this case too (as many already stated) one can never stop the influx of cheaters etc but this is a more efficient way IMO.

Also I feel when the staff decides to recruit people the process should be very fair to all sections of members. I see many at times that ppl who have seedboxes have an edge over others even though that particular trakcer doesn't need ownership of a sb.. (a different story altogether :P)

Anywaz no offense to all the good members of fst who giveaway invites because they actually care about new members.. Rock on guyz :)

A secure private tracker is always a good thing.

hmm private chat.. seems fishy.. :naughty:

site owners need to have trusted staff that can bring some people in if the opportunity presents itself but unless a tracker is brand new or in dire need to get new people i dont think a recruiter should ever be needed on a site. with that said the majority of new members should come from referrals, i dont agree with people having random invites sitting on their accounts to do with whatever they please.

I am new here on FST and just getting back into torrent sites after a long time of solely relying on usenet for my needs. I've noticed that some of the sites that I used to use are now closed and very difficult if not imposible to get into.

Anyway my piont is that from my side of the fence it would be nice to be given a chance to prove myself and probably for many other people that want to get into certain trackers too.

Saying that would it be possible some how to make all new users prove themselves by uploading say 10-20GB before they can download anything at all? I realise this would be difficult because without the new user having any files downloaded first they would obviously not be able to seed. I can't think of a way around that off the top of my head atm but if it were possible in some way I think the thought of having to upload 10-20GB before gaing access to any torrents would put off many undesirables and dupe accounts would not be of much value to people either as they would be useless untill the upload requirement is reached.

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Originally Posted by interwebz

site owners need to have trusted staff that can bring some people in if the opportunity presents itself but unless a tracker is brand new or in dire need to get new people i dont think a recruiter should ever be needed on a site. with that said the majority of new members should come from referrals, i dont agree with people having random invites sitting on their accounts to do with whatever they please.

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Yeah, you are right, I agree.

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Originally Posted by manbearpig

hmm private chat.. seems fishy.. :naughty:

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I want to chat with stoi because a chat allows for real time communication and it has to be private because it doenst concern anybody else on FST.

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good luck for your invite request :shifty:

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Originally Posted by SoulEdge01

I'm a dirty cheat but I've got a good excuse (excuse not reason)

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I'm all for honesty and that but seriously dude you post that confession in a thread by the site owner at which you cheated designed to provoke ideas on how to get rid of users like you from trackers for good and expect to be invited to the site again.

WTG Goose, if you get back I'll eat my hat ! ;)

honestly there is no 100% way i mean people could be the biggest cheats but still appear as a good user or a great user maybe with a bad connection could appear as a bad one...its the internet sadly you cant really trust many people if any at all

and thats just on the seeding ratio side of things

i do think that people who invite need to be much more aware of the invitees once on they are on the site and if something goes wrong they cant be afraid to alert staff just cause some rule says they will be banned for inviting a bad user or something im sure the staff would be happier you alerted them instead of them having to find out themselves....but i may be wrong idk im not a staff member nor have i ever been put in that situation

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Originally Posted by johall

honestly there is no 100% way i mean people could be the biggest cheats but still appear as a good user or a great user maybe with a bad connection could appear as a bad one...its the internet sadly you cant really trust many people if any at all

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The internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents

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Originally Posted by johall

honestly there is no 100% way i mean people could be the biggest cheats but still appear as a good user or a great user maybe with a bad connection could appear as a bad one...its the internet sadly you cant really trust many people if any at all

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The internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents

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lol no thats irc

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Originally Posted by Time-Traveller

The internet: Where the men are men, the women are men, and the children are FBI agents

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lol no thats irc

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yes and IRC isn't on the Internet... :frusty: