I think so too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pro267
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I think so too ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pro267
Yes, most definitely. Let traders take their business elsewhere.
Think removing that section would be one step forward for FST and its reputation. While I understand why traders do what they do, and freedom of choice within the community is a wonderful freedom as well, but I think to bring FST's name brand onward and upward... it has to remove a "less respected" component (by the tracker community that is).
Interesting thread though - great question - and glad to see our users have a say. Both traders and non should be able to voice opinions like this ;)
Thanks,
Seriously, let it stay.
Yes traders are violating tracker rules blah blah blah. They also pay the consequence for their actions by getting shit on and banned left and right.
Love em or hate them, traders consists of a large portion of the bittorent community. Eliminating this section will decrease this site's traffic and members.
If the poll results are the basis of the eventual outcome then that's sad. Everyone knows that traders barely read the lounge. Also, there's way more anti-traders and people that cannot think for themselves (I.E:noobs) that will of course choose option 1.
You may all proceed to flame me and this post now.
Lol, maybe I will flame you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Swanky
No seriously, think about it. If trading suddenly isn't allowed anywhere and traders are a large portion of the bittorrent community, won't then trackers allow trading? After all, don't tracker rely on users donating?
Just a thought, a crazy one, but still.
No way will closing the trade section here kill trading. It will stun it, though, lol.
I voted yes, but ... how will we spot traders afterwards.
Bet they will take invites from here and trade them someplace else.
I voted NO .
A major feature of FST for me, is laughing at the content of the BitTorrent section . The unbridled begging / scamming / flaming / overly pious condemnations & the general tone of squalid rancidness, make's I chortle .
I'd miss it, or maybe not .
I see no reason to get rid of it. Just because some people don't like it? If you don't like it, don't go there.
Also, if you get rid of it... it will be hypocritical to not get rid of the giveaway section as well, you really cant have it both ways.
Well yes we can. I would say leave the giveaway section as one has nothing to do with the other.
Obviously you can do what you want, youre obviously the king.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
What I am saying is that people are crying out to get rid of teh trade section because it breaks tracker rules and is a danger to the trackers. Well, if you look on those same rules of every tracker there will be a rule to the effect of: do not give invites to people you do not know. Well, guess what, the invite section is breaking tracker rules and is endangering trackers.
Like I said hypocritical.
I agree, but look at it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Staff is obviously trying to make a change here, one that many seem to believe is the right one for FST. It may not be the complete solution, but it's definitely a step in the right direction towards improving relations between FST and the BT community. I also believe that in the long run, this site is going to benefit from it.
You know what the say: "Rome wasn't built in a day". If every initiative for change gets knocked down then you end up in a state of stagnation. I say let's start with this and go from there.
Considering the size and activity of the trade forum vs the GA/Req forum...I think it's fairly obvious that FST would be just fine without that bit of traffic that the trade forum may bring. Imo...most people grow out of trading before long, esp once they get an account on the trackers they want anyway.
Me thinks things would be just fine w/o a trade section... :yup:
how will this site benifit from it? These tracker sites can get taken down at anytime and FST will always be here. Many of you wouldn't have your accounts you have now if it wasn't for these trades. Now that ppl got into the sites they want they think trading is a bad thing. Also LOL at FST improving relations between the BT community. FST is the BT community if you get what I mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by pro267I agree, but look at it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by puckface
Staff is obviously trying to make a change here, one that many seem to believe is the right one for FST. It may not be the complete solution, but it's definitely a step in the right direction towards improving relations between FST and the BT community. I also believe that in the long run, this site is going to benefit from it.
You know what the say: "Rome wasn't built in a day". If every initiative for change gets knocked down then you end up in a state of stagnation. I say let's start with this and go from there.
Haha, funny question. My answer is definitely yes. xD
Yeah close it
but the traders will just go to another website and trade there so I don't think it would make a difference
it's simple
a trader stays in the trade section
an anti trader stay in the giveaway section
a non trader stays in both and trade by pm
and every one win
and if you get red of it i think it's not fair for traders lol
cause this is a public forum and has nothing to do with trackers rules
and as far as i know fst has no rule against trading
True, as said. Unfortunately that will not stop trading as they will scatter to some other forum-site.The majority here (so the vote reads also) probably would love to see the trade section go. Is up to the Staff of course.
It would ease things a bit here i would think.? A step in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by hoodeh
Anyone disagree? No? So this is settled then? :rolleyes:
majority voted yes to rid it and nothing will happen and so the cycle continues...round of applause to all those who participated... next poll Do you think FST looks fat in this dress? :frusty:
http://tinyurl.com/blubns
So far it looks like most people have voted in favor of giving the trading section the boot. I guess the guys with sever dupe accounts haven't voted yet.
On another note, if the trading section goes down the WTAW and BT rep should go down with it. Both would be deemed irrelevant without the trading section. People should know who's who in terms of who's a good member based on their post history and personal interaction with that person.
Yea oooooook... what are you trying to do light a fire and burn us all?? Without those 2 Fst is doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Sanka113
I think we should all take killercam's advice... and create a"Do you think FST looks fat in this dress?" poll
IF it ever goes down, a reputation system could continue being used here, because members would still invite people, be helpful, etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanka113
and, though erasing the WTAW thread would make sense, because no trading would take place, it is already too late to avoid the consequences that came with it, as it as been duped at many sites.
maybe a content ranked one would make entirely sense.
one reminder to all those that advocate the extinction of the trading zone: just saying "trading is bad mmmkay" is pretty worthless, unless changes are suggested.
another question would arise then, what would be the role of the comm reps, of the bt rep, what would be the stance against those who come here snitch on users that do public giveaways, would this forum then be considered an anti-trader haven, and hunters be sheltered, etc etc etc.
changing the status quo here requires a lot of thought, it's not just go to a control panel and untick the trading section as visible. what about the hidden sections, would they still make sense?
there are so many questions which have to be put, that in my opinion only getting answers beforehand could make this transition happen.
if this discussion had took place prior to this poll, and conclusions reached, i'm pretty sure that its weight on the decisions of the higher ups would be much bigger. but that's something that only those trusted members of this community can voice. :whistling
just my 2 cents.
Yeah I'm just against closing it here since I have been here for quite a while and have put in time here, some good some bad, but I know someone has a site set up already just in case they close it here for all the refugees.Quote:
Originally Posted by pone44True, as said. Unfortunately that will not stop trading as they will scatter to some other forum-site.The majority here (so the vote reads also) probably would love to see the trade section go. Is up to the Staff of course.
It would ease things a bit here i would think.? A step in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by Dr_Green_Thumb
It wont solve anything, they will move, which I guess is cool.
I say yes to abolish the trading-section, but I also with puckface...what will happen when the trading section get closed.
I think they will just move on to another board. Off course it will make FST a 'better' place, but it won't solve the trading-issues, because new people will start trading-boards. So yes, abolish it on FST, but don't expect trading to stop when this gets done.
Second, indeed the revenues mainly come from these sections so as long as this is the case they won't be closed.
What's really needed is a huge mentality-change in the BT-population, where it becomes clear trading isn't the way to go.
I have no intention to try and remove the WTAW thread as I don't see any harm in it. The "hidden sections" aren't really hidden. There is a staff section and a VTG that is just so dead it's sad and we're looking to do something about it soon. The Community reps could stay in fact I would like to have more of them and I believe I could even get some of them to hold giveaways here. I think that if we ever did remove the trade section that by having more site staff around that would attract far more members then the ones who are die hard traders that would leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanka113
This is not all about making nice with trackers. The fact is some trackers as a whole will never be OK with anything other than ALL their demands being met. These people I have no time for. I don't blame them or us for the feuds that arise it's the members of BT as a whole. The old members don't take care of the new ones, it's that simple. New uber sites open up and spit on you if you arent 1337 enough. BT as a whole has gone down the tubes as of late. I think that it would be good for FST to teach people that there is a better way by removing the trade section and go back to members helping other members like it was when I first got here.
Yes as most of you know I did trade when I first started, but it wasn't nearly the blasphemy it is today. None of the accts I currentlly have were from a trade. They all eventually get picked up as a trade and get banned. I was given or signed up for all the accts I have due to making friends and people just being nice. I miss that FST and I do hope one day it will go back to that.
FST will definitely benefit from having good relations with the community. The source of dispute between FST and the private trackers is that the trackers feel that FST is a tool that increases their exposure and endangers their staff and members by allowing uncontrolled access to their sites. This had created a huge enemosity towards FST among staffers, some of which will even ban you for the sole reason of being a member here, because they feel with the current state of affairs any member of FST may be a potential threat to their site's security. If FST is more inclined to help the sites keep their privacy, then I'm sure many sites will be more inclined to have comreps here, which will inevitably use this site as a platform to choose members to their sites in a controlled manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by apollooff320
No, I actually don't. Do enlighten me please.Quote:
Originally Posted by apollooff320
you got the point :shifty:Quote:
Originally Posted by rockaa
i absolutely agree!
Get rid of it...
only one word : YES
Yes it should, it would help make this site a better place. Simple as that really.
However, enforcing a real removal of trading from fst would be fun. Removing trades while maintaining giveaways/requests may just drive its adherents into the other in a different guise.
Has BT changed too much for that really to be possible now? I hope it hasn't, but I fear it has. The whole thing is just very cynical now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detale
Or maybe that's just me :(
no , i think is nothing wrong if ppl want to trade trackers ,the real problem and the reason i don`t like to trade is that a lots (not all) of trader are collectors ,make more acc/trackers and make fake to buffer those accounts so they can trade , i think these are people who need to get rid not the trade section or every trade
and anyway if you remove the trade section they will become "anti-trader"
Yes please get rid of THEM.
There are really some funny comments in here as (Trading is illegal),That's sentence made me laugh alot today because Piracy is illegal are we are doing it ,torrent sites are illegal and they exist so can you say that trading is illegal while you do everything illegal?
what will happen when the section is closed that we will get an influx of ass kissers/lickers and beggars in the giveaway section besides that most torrent trackers don't allow their invites to be givenaway in public forums such as fst and others so how will u solve that issues?
Removing Trading section or banning traders or such things which will arise in the future is same like dictator's decisions to ban other political parties in the country ,Traders are a large group and should be represented ,may be their ideas don't like some and no one is forced to follow that path or ideas if it don't suit them
By Removing the trading section there will be no balance in here and there will be only the ass kissing section so i vote no
Then why don't we do a test on it. Lock the trading section for 2 months or so and lets see how the situation changes. That's the only way to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
You can predict all you want but we'll only be sure when we see it with our own eyes.
What do you say mods? At least lock it for a few weeks
I advice you to listen this band.Oldies are so popular nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Albo Da KidThen why don't we do a test on it. Lock the trading section for 2 months or so and lets see how the situation changes. That's the only way to find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patriot foreve
You can predict all you want but we'll only be sure when we see it with our own eyes.
What do you say mods? At least lock it for a few weeks
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OK, I know I may start flaming, but will try to keep it good
Well, I am not trader, never traded, and like to respect my nick name and my accounts
But I voted No, yes I don't mind FST keep the trade forum
FST is to helpful because it collect all other sites staff in one place, you meet any problem you come here, to rest your password, or to know the irc channel
It's huge torrent database we all need
This db needs trading forum, because lots of users visit the site = ads = money = fst keep going
FST must be neutral, no need to obey others rules, it would be bad id fst for example stand against p2l, selling invites, that means for example TL &/or sct staff won't be here (if we supposed that tl is p2l, sct sell invites)
If TL & sct staff weren't here then, fst is just another forum, no thing special
I am pretty sure that Detale will never close the section because he knows that it's fst end if he did
As antitrader, I just remember what stoi said
They have the right to trade, and we have the right to ban them if caughted
Fair
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P.S. I even against giving away invites for free, for people you never seen, just to collect reps, but that doesn't mean we should close ga section which means close fst too
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i must have been drunk lolQuote:
They have the right to trade, and we have the right to ban them if caughted
IMO, i would rather you got rid of the WTAW and kept the trading section, than get rid of the trading section, and keep the WTAW.
It puts small trackers on a pedestal, that in turn compromise their security.
What i would suggest is.
Only allow invite trading, stop account trading altogether, invite trading i am not that bothered about, OK i am but not as much as account trades, i believe that if you get into a tracker, you should work from the bottom up and proove yourself, not get an account that someone else has worked at, and be top of the tree so to speak.
and i dont see the point of the WTAW like i said in a previous post.
I know trading is wrong, but why stop them trading an invite for a lvl 9 with a lvl 4 if both parties want into those trackers, but that thread says you cant do that and if you try, you will be a laughing stock, its pointless, surely its up to them what they want to trade, or what they want to try to trade.
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there's a difference between 'non trader' and 'anti trader'... claiming to be an 'anti trader' imply that you do mind if FST keep the trade section running...Quote:
Originally Posted by (I)
lol, I just overwhelmed a little rofl
Honestly I think most bt staff won't bother visiting fst regularly w/o those ga, trade forums
but most BT staff just come here to catch those doing it, they dont actually take part in FST, so whats the difference?Quote:
Honestly I think most bt staff won't bother visiting fst regularly w/o those ga, trade forums