Should anti-traders be banned?

Well like i have put in another thread.

Trading invites does not bother me all that much, its the where and how that gets on my tits.

Lets say 2 members are in the bitsoup IRC they get talking over a period of time, they get to know each other, 1 says they love games but dont have a tracker for them, the other says he likes TV but again doesnt have a tracker.

Now the one that has a BCG referral gives it to the one that has the BitmeTV invite and vice versa.

that to me is fine, because they know each other, been talking for awhile, so they are helping each other out.

Doing it on here or other invite sites, is just silly, you have no idea who they are apart from SS and ratio proofs that may not even be theirs.

Its like if you had a private party, its your party, and you invite 10 friends, you also tell your 10 friends, that they can invite 10 friends, and then those can invite 10 friends.

now imgine if 1 of those in the chain, went and announced it in their local pub, "Party at XXX, I can take 10 people, dont care who, and then you can take 10 people, and then they can take 10 people"

When the party started 30 people would know each other, the rest would be complete strangers, which would put everyone on edge, yes they all may be well behaved, and it may very well be a good night, but it only takes 1 to get pissed and act like a wanker and swing a punch at you, to spoil the whole shebang.

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Originally Posted by stoi

Well like i have put in another thread.

Trading invites does not bother me all that much, its the where and how that gets on my tits.

Lets say 2 members are in the bitsoup IRC they get talking over a period of time, they get to know each other, 1 says they love games but dont have a tracker for them, the other says he likes TV but again doesnt have a tracker.

Now the one that has a BCG referral gives it to the one that has the BitmeTV invite and vice versa.

that to me is fine, because they know each other, been talking for awhile, so they are helping each other out.

Doing it on here or other invite sites, is just silly, you have no idea who they are apart from SS and ratio proofs that may not even be theirs.

Its like if you had a private party, its your party, and you invite 10 friends, you also tell your 10 friends, that they can invite 10 friends, and then those can invite 10 friends.

now imgine if 1 of those in the chain, went and announced it in their local pub, "Party at XXX, I can take 10 people, dont care who, and then you can take 10 people, and then they can take 10 people"

When the party started 30 people would know each other, the rest would be complete strangers, which would put everyone on edge, yes they all may be well behaved, and it may very well be a good night, but it only takes 1 to get pissed and act like a wanker and swing a punch at you, to spoil the whole shebang.

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So basically what you're saying is that if some one posts here a lot (not in the trading section) and starts talking with another member here for a while, and eventually both figure out they have what eachother wants, and trade, you're ok with that?

Is it just the random posting in the trading forum you are against then?

Well if that was the case then you would do it in PM anyway, there would be no need of a trading section, so even if i was against that, not a lot I can do about that if you met on here.

but at least on a tracker you can see for yourself if they are a good user, and if they chat in IRC its more than 99.900 others do on Bitsoup (I would imagine, not a member and never been to their IRC just guessing here).

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Originally Posted by stoi

Well if that was the case then you would do it in PM anyway, there would be no need of a trading section, so even if i was against that, not a lot I can do about that if you met on here.

but at least on a tracker you can see for yourself if they are a good user, and if they chat in IRC its more than 99.900 others do on Bitsoup (I would imagine, not a member and never been to their IRC just guessing here).

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I guess my point was what if its not on a tracker? Do you mind ( I know you can't do anything, but...?)

Your opinion as a tracker owner intrigues me.

but why not

there are plenty trackers that are open all the time, or at least with a tiny little patience, you can get into them, some even post nulled torrents onto the link sites to get members in, yes they are that desperate for members.

So to me thee is no excuse to not be on any private tracker, and "only" have FST or like site to get into anywhere.

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Originally Posted by stoi

Well if that was the case then you would do it in PM anyway, there would be no need of a trading section, so even if i was against that, not a lot I can do about that if you met on here.

but at least on a tracker you can see for yourself if they are a good user, and if they chat in IRC its more than 99.900 others do on Bitsoup (I would imagine, not a member and never been to their IRC just guessing here).

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I guess my point was what if its not on a tracker? Do you mind ( I know you can't do anything, but...?)

Your opinion as a tracker owner intrigues me.

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I think it makes sense, you get to know the person a little bit, build some trust. I know what it's like to meet someone at a place like this and talk thru PM's and stuff, it's a lot different than just giving them out in the open.

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Originally Posted by Col. Skillz

Another thing, I'm sure stoi WOULD care about UG being better than BCG, if it where true. It's not though (unfortunatly for me), and whoever said that was just being a baby.

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how about you reading some of my posts before talking shit?
I never said UG is better, I siad I wouldn't trade it for 10 BCG...
unfortunately for you? this means you don't have a BCG acc? then how the fuck do you know its better anyway?

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Originally Posted by stoi

Lets say 2 members are in the bitsoup IRC they get talking over a period of time, they get to know each other, 1 says they love games but dont have a tracker for them, the other says he likes TV but again doesnt have a tracker.

Now the one that has a BCG referral gives it to the one that has the BitmeTV invite and vice versa.

that to me is fine, because they know each other, been talking for awhile, so they are helping each other out.

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nonsense. you don't get to know someone by talking to him for a few hours over IRC or msn, this is the INTERNET, I can be whatever you want, I can say whatever you want to hear just to get an invite out of you
Getting to really know sombody and earning each others trust takes months or years, but as I said not every one of us are borad warriors whith xxxx posts, therefore for us ther's no other choice but to trade

of course there is a choice

just dont become a member

that is the choice.

and did i say a few hours, i meant a few weeks to a couple of months, not just hi, hi, i like games, oh i like tv, ok trade trade trade.

not my fault you are totally fucking unsociable and have an attitude problem on the net.

you said you dont do forums? 47 posts on FST isnt bad in a couple of months, so again, you lied, you do, do forums, this one.

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Originally Posted by stoi

of course there is a choice

just dont become a member

that is the choice.

and did i say a few hours, i meant a few weeks to a couple of months, not just hi, hi, i like games, oh i like tv, ok trade trade trade.

not my fault you are totally fucking unsociable and have an attitude problem on the net.

you said you dont do forums? 47 posts on FST isnt bad in a couple of months, so again, you lied, you do, do forums, this one.

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you are trying to hard, its a one year old account and half of my posts came from scammer reports and trade related posts in the trade section.. the other half is from arguing whith clowns

I don't have social/attitude problems, but nice try I gotta give you that, I have enough RL friends I don't need to make new ones over the internet

Unless my math is wrong(which is completely possible), he's been here 14 month Stoi, not 2. Which that amount of posts in over a year is pretty unsociable(or just not have much time to post).

And anyways, you cannot really compare UG and BCG. Yes they are both game trackers, but UG doesn't offer all the same era of games that BCG does. They stop at PSX. It would be like comparing NT and BCG. All three sites are great at what they do though.

EDIT: Eh, that's what I get for being a slow typer.

OK my bad, you are unsocialble on here as well.

I like the way you said to report scammers though, why report them, its your own fault for trading.

but i am getting very bored now with this debate, but i will leave it with this.

You use an account, you dont like it, someone else uses an account on another tracker, they dont like it.

how on earth do you know you will like their tracker, and vice versa, also they may have a shed load of hit and runs, and if that one you traded with, does cheat, it is your account name, your IPs on that account, your Emails on that account, so even if you are a good member (which is very debatable) you may be bringing in a right wanker, that will give you a bad name on all your other trackers.

I just dont see the point of the risk tbh, and i would much rather have my own name on tracker, and know, yes that ratio is all mine, yes i worked my arse off for that (all of it), every torrent in my history, i have downloaded, and some i enjoyed some i regret, but its my account, I can look on it and say yes, i am a bloody good member and no one can say otherwise.

But if you trade your accounts you cant, because you never know if the member you trade with will be a good member or not, so putting all your accounts in jeapordy on every tracker.

I can understand invite trading, at least i can say that, but i have never fathomed out why people trade accounts, unless you are after a donor/buffered account so you can then use that account to just hit and run everything, or avoid wait times, then trade it again when you use it up, for another buffered account on a not so (rare) tracker, and keep doing that, which i am sorry is just wrong.

sorry i just dont get it lol

yeah well I'm also getting very bored you're not a reasonable man you just keep saying the same things over and over again and you make way too many assumptions

+you said you will "leave" so I won't even bother to respond to that big wall of text
have a nice day

lazy and an arsehole then, byee

I still have not heard 1 argument apart from submissions silly point about why trading is good, because hmm its not.

typical traders the lot of you, cant answer a simple bloody question.

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Originally Posted by Submission

If you have a problem with trading then dont trade and avoid the trade section.

Many people wonder how they get banned out of nowhere, and in the past there have been accusations towards the admins of them releasing our IP's to trackers.

A lot of these rats are not admins but anti-traders who know admins of other trackers and help them finding others. I've seen it happen before plenty of times.

Not only do these guys not give a shit about fairness or whatever but they have active networks with tracker admins and should not be considered a part of the community here. Many of them try to keep track of people and find their IP's through other trackers other than the one you trade in, so that once you trade their tracker they can find you.

As such I believe they should be banned only from the trade section. They are a security and privacy threat to people in these forums.

The core of this anti-trader group are trackers admins and friends.

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but when you are trading, aren't you a security and a privacy threat to those trackers? why shouldn't users who worry about their privacy (as being members of such trackers) not care about such trades?

I would really like to see a interesting response to this.

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Agreed, I as well. You seem to have it backwards, traders by trading are much more of a security threat to trackers and especially the inviter of person A who has traded his/her account to person B. Traders don't give a shit about the original inviter who has now been screwed over by his/her original invitee and his/her whole invite tree may or may not be banned because of the said trade.

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Originally Posted by stoi

lazy and an arsehole then, byee

I still have not heard 1 argument apart from submissions silly point about why trading is good, because hmm its not.

typical traders the lot of you, cant answer a simple bloody question.

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haha liar! you said that would be your last post
btw I've noticed that you are trying to offend somebody whith every single post you make, what's wrong whith you, cant handle the stress?

Unfortunately some fanatical anti-traders, thanks to the methods they employ ,are as least as amoral as the people they hunt.
Like religious zealots they delude themselves into believing all is right in service of their "God".

@L3g3ndary give it a break or I will be calling you an arsehole too.

meh, the problem is, when the users are too young, they take this shit too serious. http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9949/sleepy.gif

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

@L3g3ndary give it a break or I will be calling you an arsehole too.

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like if was the only that is involved in the argument :01:

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Originally Posted by L3g3ndary

how about you reading some of my posts before talking shit?
I never said UG is better, I siad I wouldn't trade it for 10 BCG...
unfortunately for you? this means you don't have a BCG acc? then how the fuck do you know its better anyway?

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whoah whoah mate, relax, i meant no offense.

I didn't read the whole thing, but I figured someone got banned or rejected from BCG and started trashing the place. maybe i was wrong, idk or care really

It doesn't take being a a member of a tracker to know how it compares, stick around here for a month and you know which ones are well reviewed/desired. also, like funkin' said, they both have different aims, as UG is pure retro, and BCG is more like bitgamer.

Honestly, I would never give up my UG account, but i still believe BCG is the better tracker (speeds, peers, torrents, content), and would make good use out of them both.


Oh and idol, the religious zealots aren't near as hardcore as PETA :lol:

hehe

its easy to find traders all you need is a script to look for them. When we out hunting we find about 95% if not better. Many sites are now doing this also. we have been doing it for over 2 years.


Trading accounts is dead fucking wrong.




Wild

I just happened uponed this thread and thought I'd add my 2 cents.

If you ban traders; then you ban anti-traders. Who's left? :unsure:

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Originally Posted by wildbytes

hehe

its easy to find traders all you need is a script to look for them. When we out hunting we find about 95% if not better.

Wild

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Doesn't seem to help me at all.


http://bibliotique.net/images/323356.jpg

Attracts nerds like a magnet though.

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Originally Posted by Skizo

I just happened uponed this thread and thought I'd add my 2 cents.

If you ban traders; then you ban anti-traders. Who's left? :unsure:

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giveaways and requests? unless they fall under traders for you. I don't think we should ban traders, but sharks who go around setting people up and ratting them out don't belong in a community that's so heavy on trading/giveaways

with that said, the trading subforum should have a bigass warning, TRADE AT YOUR OWN RISK.

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Originally Posted by Skizo

I just happened uponed this thread and thought I'd add my 2 cents.

If you ban traders; then you ban anti-traders. Who's left? :unsure:

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Staff:yahoo:

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Originally Posted by Skizo

I just happened uponed this thread and thought I'd add my 2 cents.

If you ban traders; then you ban anti-traders. Who's left? :unsure:

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wankers. (lounge people if you will)

Well, regardless of who you are you either trade (trader) or you don't (anti-trader). :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Skizo

Well, regardless of who you are you either trade (trader) or you don't (anti-trader). :unsure:

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I dont think 100% of people fit in one of those categories, But hey, thats just me.

Not trying to quarrel here but i don't understand some of the point of views given here.:mellow:

The choices in this poll are very harsh if ever implemented, which i could never see happen as most anti-tarders are really undercover traders,some are really not! I know that to be true.
It would be a very small user base if any site was to ban members that are rule abiding-non trading and also ban the traders/those who defy tracker rules. So this poll is pretty hard to even take seroiously,:wacko: actually can not take it seriously at all. :lol: No offense!
As i posted i do not care for those who defy their trackers rules as they do not own the account! It is owned by whoever owns the tracker, just like when you lease a Car. You can not just go sell the vehicle to somebody else (take no responsibility) and run away with the $ as you do not Own that car.
Basically it is a privilege to be a member at any tracker and if rules are broke that shows a lack of respect-loyalty to that certain staff and the rest of the BT community! But that is the individual member's choice and will always come with consequences!

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Originally Posted by Skizo

I just happened uponed this thread and thought I'd add my 2 cents.

If you ban traders; then you ban anti-traders. Who's left? :unsure:

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The philosophers , trollers , bashers , lurckers , spammers , haters , etc.

The Poll question ask:

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Should anti-traders be banned from trading?

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Anti-traders by definition don't trade; banning them from trading doesn't make sense at all.

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Originally Posted by apextwin146

So who the hell is classifed as a good member in a tracker?
The trackers primary purpose is for sharing a file not taking part in some arsed community shit .. There are better forums out there with much more activity than tracker forums ..
Since the primary purpose is to share files the members who do it diligently should be classified as good members ..

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Actually no, the people who made private trackers want more than just anonymous leechers/seeders, why on earth would they be a *private community if they wanted that. The whole point of a private bit torrent tracker is a small (they have user limits) user group that are known. By known I mean that make a contribution to the tracker be it via uploading, irc and forum activity not just leeching the files.If the staff of the trackers just wanted a huge amount of leechers/seeders they could just set up the tracker as a public one, but no, they, the people that made the tracker in the first place made a private place to share privately.
**Maybe you should ask the staff of the trackers that you so want to be a part of what they want and expect from a user. If you just want to leech files then usenet is beckoning and of course then there is no upload ratio required.
The whole point of the filesharing community and the bit torrent trackers in particular is to share, not just files but to share as a community.

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Artemis its not a community in the first place .. Do u think BT was developed so that we could share the stuff or open "Rate lesbian couple" threads?
*Do u remember y the Bit Torrent protocol was developed in the first place? It was to act as a decentralized medium to distribute the files at high speeds .. FTP was good back then but then a lot of sites were falling prey to the whole bunch of authorities so they needed something where the content would not just be present at one place but distributed so that if even one of the host dies off u still have others to copy it from ..
Next the forums were created to help the members out with the common questions etc they had on the protocol and other .. how can you contribute to a 0-day tracker if u dont a a scene/p2l source urself .. tae for Eg ScT and FTN do they allow ur regular members to upload freely? No . They ask if u have axx and then only .. So how is this sharing community shaping out here?
Also if i remember the privacy and small userbase was given more important after the great tracker bust sequence in 2006 or so when a majority of trackers were taken down .. This was done more so to protect their arses and keep the site secure (I am not talking here from the trader/Anti shit but the whole community shit that the likes of u keep bringing up here) ..
** I did ask and the response as stated as always was dont cheat,seed till u die .. Not to keep the forum lively ..
That brings me to the next question as to which tracker do u think i so desperately wanna be a part of? As far as i remember i hvnt requested sqat here(or any other arse licking forums) expect a ipod tracker or BMTV ..

Pointless poll and makes no sense! :dabs:

As someone pointed out the topic title "Should anti-traders be banned"-uh WTH?? :blink: Is plain ridiculous!

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Actually no, the people who made private trackers want more than just anonymous leechers/seeders, why on earth would they be a *private community if they wanted that. The whole point of a private bit torrent tracker is a small (they have user limits) user group that are known. By known I mean that make a contribution to the tracker be it via uploading, irc and forum activity not just leeching the files.If the staff of the trackers just wanted a huge amount of leechers/seeders they could just set up the tracker as a public one, but no, they, the people that made the tracker in the first place made a private place to share privately.
**Maybe you should ask the staff of the trackers that you so want to be a part of what they want and expect from a user. If you just want to leech files then usenet is beckoning and of course then there is no upload ratio required.
The whole point of the filesharing community and the bit torrent trackers in particular is to share, not just files but to share as a community.

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Artemis its not a community in the first place .. Do u think BT was developed so that we could share the stuff or open "Rate lesbian couple" threads?
*Do u remember y the Bit Torrent protocol was developed in the first place? It was to act as a decentralized medium to distribute the files at high speeds .. FTP was good back then but then a lot of sites were falling prey to the whole bunch of authorities so they needed something where the content would not just be present at one place but distributed so that if even one of the host dies off u still have others to copy it from ..
Next the forums were created to help the members out with the common questions etc they had on the protocol and other .. how can you contribute to a 0-day tracker if u dont a a scene/p2l source urself .. tae for Eg ScT and FTN do they allow ur regular members to upload freely? No . They ask if u have axx and then only .. So how is this sharing community shaping out here?
Also if i remember the privacy and small userbase was given more important after the great tracker bust sequence in 2006 or so when a majority of trackers were taken down .. This was done more so to protect their arses and keep the site secure (I am not talking here from the trader/Anti shit but the whole community shit that the likes of u keep bringing up here) ..
** I did ask and the response as stated as always was dont cheat,seed till u die .. Not to keep the forum lively ..
That brings me to the next question as to which tracker do u think i so desperately wanna be a part of? As far as i remember i hvnt requested sqat here(or any other arse licking forums) expect a ipod tracker or BMTV ..

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I know exactly why the BT protocol was originally created and it has nothing to do with it's current use (well except maybe for linuxtracker and other OSS repositories).
We are talking about private trackers here not the public ones, and I will say again that the people who created these private trackers did so to have a group of known users that were invited to be a part of the community. Now this is an important point because trackers are starting now have higher user classes based on a far more wide variety of activity on the website than just a certain amount uploaded.
F*** for instance has a whole series of different things that need to be achieved before you become an SU or HU, but there are many other examples where criteria are being changed away from purely upload to other activity on the tracker, i.e. FtN's policy on invites is another example.
What most people forget is that they are guests of the website that they are joining when they get the invite, it is a private site with its own rules where a group of people created a private place to share files.
I will say it again the aim of the people who created these sites was not in every case to have the biggest seeder/leecher ratio if this was the case then ScT or TL would be the be all & end all of 0day sites, they are by far the fastest after all with the widest range of files.
But the smaller private communities that everyone incidentally so need and dream of actually want a different type of user, these rare 'high level' trackers actually want to remain small and private with a known userbase and actually want far more than just seeders/leechers.
I think the point of being a member of bit torrent sites is more than just to seed, all you have to down is wander away leaving your PC running, not really a huge amount of effort on anyones part and this is why more and more sites are now using no ratio and other means to determine good users and I think you will see this trend continue to grow.

This was always going to be a totally useless poll.

If traders want to trade then at FST they have that right.

If members want to report that trade or staff want to find them and ban them from their tracker then they have that right too.

Traders know they trade at their own risk so don't fucking bleat about it when you get caught. If you don't want to be caught then you just don't trade. Now isn't that simple.

No , and i hate to call them Anti-Traders

they should know as " Law Force "

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No , and i hate to call them Anti-Traders

they should know as " Law Force "

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And who wants to hang around law enforcement? They are always taking my weed :(

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Originally Posted by 010

No , and i hate to call them Anti-Traders

they should know as " Law Force "

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as if i trust the LAW

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Artemis its not a community in the first place .. Do u think BT was developed so that we could share the stuff or open "Rate lesbian couple" threads?
*Do u remember y the Bit Torrent protocol was developed in the first place? It was to act as a decentralized medium to distribute the files at high speeds .. FTP was good back then but then a lot of sites were falling prey to the whole bunch of authorities so they needed something where the content would not just be present at one place but distributed so that if even one of the host dies off u still have others to copy it from ..
Next the forums were created to help the members out with the common questions etc they had on the protocol and other .. how can you contribute to a 0-day tracker if u dont a a scene/p2l source urself .. tae for Eg ScT and FTN do they allow ur regular members to upload freely? No . They ask if u have axx and then only .. So how is this sharing community shaping out here?
Also if i remember the privacy and small userbase was given more important after the great tracker bust sequence in 2006 or so when a majority of trackers were taken down .. This was done more so to protect their arses and keep the site secure (I am not talking here from the trader/Anti shit but the whole community shit that the likes of u keep bringing up here) ..
** I did ask and the response as stated as always was dont cheat,seed till u die .. Not to keep the forum lively ..
That brings me to the next question as to which tracker do u think i so desperately wanna be a part of? As far as i remember i hvnt requested sqat here(or any other arse licking forums) expect a ipod tracker or BMTV ..

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With views like this tracker forums might not make much sense.. what's wrong with trackers bringing in the "Community Feel"?? or making friends?? or having fun even??? It might not be what or what the BT protocol was built for but, why does it have to remain limited to just torrenting?? and to point out some things in your post.. trackers like S*T and F*N ask for users with seedbox and/or "AXX" is because that's what users want and expect.. peeps want everything yesterday and squabble over secs and who's got the faster what..in otherwords that part is about "PRE-TIMES" .. why that matters so much to so many is beyond me but, it is.. and yes the idea of "private trackers" did come about from trackers wanting to protect their asses. I think it's become more than just that now.. Now it's to help keep out users that should only be using sites like mininova and TPB, Kazaa even because they don't know how to be a member of a tracker. Goining back to basic torrenting principles here but, trackers are for file SHARING and for some people they just can't get that concept.. So, they use cheat programs to fake ratios to avoid getting banned for HnR because they can't be bothered with following simple rules :frusty:. That's one of the main reasons trackers run private now-a-days.. and sadly it has brought upon the idea of "Trading" as a side effect becuase of the sites being private and not everyone can get an invite.. which trading circumvents security because once a account is traded tracker staff have no idea who is on their trackers.. and thats the problem with it!

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Invite or Account trading is against almost every tracker's Number 1 rule. If you break that rule, expect to get banned. Its their tracker, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

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what comes around goes around i only invite people i know and trust to keep a good ratio on sites i have no problem letting my invites rot on my accounts haha :cool:

It's got nothing to do with whether people are anti-trader, non-trader, trader or whatever, the fact is trackers don't allow it. That's why it's frowned upon - because it compromises the security and privacy of the members, and the site as a whole.

Therefore, catch 'em if you can.