Apparently a lot of people here don't follow archeology.
The oldest Homo sapiens remains found come from Ethiopia. They're 160,000 years old.
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Apparently a lot of people here don't follow archeology.
The oldest Homo sapiens remains found come from Ethiopia. They're 160,000 years old.
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so you think your ancestors are monkeys? how the hell could men have come from apes if apes are still here? if they had evolved into us, there wouldnt be any f$@$in apes. just my theory. [/b][/quote]Quote:
Originally posted by FKDUP74+24 September 2003 - 02:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FKDUP74 @ 24 September 2003 - 02:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Quote:
Originally posted by junkyardking@24 September 2003 - 00:36
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Originally posted by FKDUP74@23 September 2003 - 18:22
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Well, if you want to get really into it, we're all Africans.
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wtf are you smokin?
Ever heard of evolution? ;)
But I don’t get why most Americans think they live in the best country, I know every country has its pros and cons, but if they think that there the best example of how a country should be run then they are sadly mistaken,
For a country that's the richest in the world having a poor heath system and spending more on prisons than education is no example for any country to wish to follow.
Men did NOT come from apes, we came from a common predecessor which was neither man nor ape. From this branch point, time and geographic separation lead to the development of different species, each occupying it's own ecologic niche.
There is not much about archeology on MTV.Quote:
Originally posted by MagicNakor@24 September 2003 - 03:00
Apparently a lot of people here don't follow archeology.
The oldest Homo sapiens remains found come from Ethiopia. They're 160,000 years old.
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Lucy's my granny.
Of course the whole concept of linear evolution of man has come under a great deal of criticism, lately. Maybe some of our more recently educated members can fill in the gaps. From what I understand, genetic evidence points to the fact that 95 or so percent of all present humans share a common matrilineal ancestor. But I've also heard theories that state humans evolved simultaneously at different geographic regions. So what's the deal?
any one ever read the Bible?
I realize that it's a personal failing of mine, but I'll take genetic evidence and the fossil record over religious texts anytime.
I'll probably burn in hell. :ph34r:
I know what is really stupid.
This thread!!!!
go somewhere's else, bub
I spent 5 consecutive summers at a fundamental Christian camp for 6 week intervals. I have heard all I need to hear about Jesus to make an informed decision.Quote:
Originally posted by FKDUP74@24 September 2003 - 03:36
any one ever read the Bible?
Throughout time, many "bibles or scriptures" have been created to explain human existence on Earth. How do you know that yours is correct, other than you want too?
The real point is that the Bible is an ejection from the thought process, the powers of reason and deduction. You either believe it or you don't.
Discussions here are for people who are trying to forumlate a more natural cause for our existence. We can compare notes, debate evidence and best of all we can critique proposed theories for weaknesses. The scientific process does not rely on "faith" at anytime and it has no interest in adhering to a theory which can be proven wrong. Scientists use evidence to create a theory, this theory is modified over time to reflect new information. This is distinct from Religion which takes scientific data and a shoe-horn to make it fit into an immutable and foregone conclusion.
Most people who believe in evolution, think of it a framework about which to structure the data, and most will admit that it is far from satisfactory in explaining creation, but this is what we have to work with at the moment.
Scientists are not endeavoring to disprove God,( in fact, I think they would all be greatly relieved if he made an appearance), but to try and understand the forces at work which brought us to pass.
I find the religious contingent to be quite afraid of scientists, lest they find something that will threaten their beliefs. But religions have kept them hindered and in the dark long enough. Go believe in your Bibles, but don't call it a science to be taught in schools, and stay out of the way.
He may be right, LOL.Quote:
Originally posted by ClubDiggler@24 September 2003 - 03:51
I know what is really stupid.
This thread!!!!
I actually had to scroll up to remind myself what the title of the thread was.
What's your point?Quote:
Originally posted by FKDUP74@24 September 2003 - 02:36
any one ever read the Bible?
The bible is a book, most if not all of it is fiction, ever questioned why "God"
In the bible contradicts himself telling you it's a sin to kill, then in an other passage "God" is instructing people to kill?
A man who's strength is in his hair instead of his muscles.
Noah’s boat lacking the space to store billions of species?
Never mind all the different humans.
I could go on but what’s the point, the bible was written by humans it has some historical fact which in itself can be debated but most of it is imagative story telling by humans nothing more.
Evolution is not simply the straight tree that Darwin had thought apart from the common ancestor it's a interweaving web were Humanoid species competed and interbreed some died some survived to get to this point.
I can prove that evolution is happening now very easily,
Why does the flu virus come back every year?
because it evolves just enough to get past the immune system which wont recognize the new version and has to go though whole process of developing antibodies against it,
Sometimes the evolutionary changes in the Virus are so different from the previous version that you can end up with an epidemic were millions die
That is evolution in action; can you provide proof of your God?
i have a book that tells me that mice can talk and have a rennaisance style society.Quote:
Originally posted by FKDUP74@24 September 2003 - 02:36
any one ever read the Bible?
you know what is interesting is that up till 40,000 years ago, homo sapiens were not the only species of man on the planet.
Evidence here would suggest that we still aren't...Quote:
Originally posted by Comic_Peddler@23 September 2003 - 21:54
you know what is interesting is that up till 40,000 years ago, homo sapiens were not the only species of man on the planet.
Wow! My little "Take the piss out of Hobbes" thread has grown into a full scale "Take the piss out of everyone" thread!
COOOOL!!
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Im not much of a believer in the bible half of it doesn't make sense
And ok so America didn't help end world war 2 and all the other countries falling to hitlers power like dominos woulda stepped up and stopped it sure its a good thing we stopped it when we did who knows how far hitler could went before he was stopped if u think some of u must be french or Nazis
And I was always thinking that there were no borders here on the net... ;)
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eh? :D :lol:
No, there are no boarders. It's more of a day-school affair.Quote:
Originally posted by AIKANE@24 September 2003 - 08:17
And I was always thinking that there were no boarders here on the net... ;)
The knowledge here is fairly comprehensive, though.
That's border (not boarder), my englisch never wasn't my strong points on school. :P
I know :PQuote:
Originally posted by AIKANE@24 September 2003 - 08:25
That's border (not boarder), my englisch never wasn't my strong points on school. :P
Maybe if America had entered WW2 when the rest of us did, Hitler would have gone nowhere. The holocaust wouldn't have happened. Many other countries wouldn't have been invaded, and tens of millions of innocent people would not have been killed! Remember, it was 1942 when you lot got into it. The war started in 1939! BTW, you came into WW1 in 1917, that started in 1914. You didn't come into either war to save anyone. You came into WW2 after you were attacked, what would have happened if you hadn't been? As someone else pointed out, you don't go into any war without us now tho, do you?Quote:
Originally posted by RapFan@24 September 2003 - 16:44
Im not much of a believer in the bible half of it doesn't make sense
And ok so America didn't help end world war 2 and all the other countries falling to hitlers power like dominos woulda stepped up and stopped it sure its a good thing we stopped it when we did who knows how far hitler could went before he was stopped if u think some of u must be french or Nazis
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Same in WW1. USA only entered hostilities after the sinking of the Lucitania in 1917.
I agree With Horror Fanatic,While London is a average city,all the best films were made in the north The Full Monty Sheffield my great city & let's not forget Werewolf in London started up in the North it should have been named Werewolf up int North & went down to London for a few bites.Scotland have some great city's Edinburgh is a prime example.Not wishing to upset our US cousins but slagging off the Country Great Britain where they most originated from is basically slagging off their own family heritage.so think you guy's .Like the man said WAR what is it good for.
You know it is really funny that in the beggining of this thread everyone said that America should mind their own business and stay out of everyone elses countries.
Now I read at the end of this thread that everyone is boo hooing about America not entering WWI and WWII until we were attacked.
Now tell me which do you prefer us to do help out or stay out. Everyone bitches about America, but you need to take a look at your own countires problems and dont tell me they dont have any. Also, ask yourself what has my country done to help out anybody else lately.
I'm sure there's lot of countries in the world that can say they wish America had stayed out of their business.Quote:
Originally posted by iamhere@24 September 2003 - 16:44
You know it is really funny that in the beggining of this thread everyone said that America should mind their own business and stay out of everyone elses countries.
Now I read at the end of this thread that everyone is boo hooing about America not entering WWI and WWII until we were attacked.
Now tell me which do you prefer us to do help out or stay out. Everyone bitches about America, but you need to take a look at your own countires problems and dont tell me they dont have any. Also, ask yourself what has my country done to help out anybody else lately.
I, for one, living in Ireland, admittedly a place with its own problems, can say I wish Americans hadn't funded and armed a lot of IRA/UVF activity. To look at my country's problems is to look at a lot of countries' problems.
I'm not attacking Americans personally. I'm just saying the USA effects, for better or for worse, the rest of the world whether we like it or not.
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Bad news old bean.Quote:
Originally posted by Billy_Dean@24 September 2003 - 11:31
Maybe if America had entered WW2 when the rest of us did, Hitler would have gone nowhere. The holocaust wouldn't have happened. Many other countries wouldn't have been invaded, and tens of millions of innocent people would not have been killed! Remember, it was 1942 when you lot got into it. The war started in 1939! BTW, you came into WW1 in 1917, that started in 1914. You didn't come into either war to save anyone. You came into WW2 after you were attacked, what would have happened if you hadn't been? As someone else pointed out, you don't go into any war without us now tho, do you?
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You may have just re-iterated a couple of points I made some posts ago. I am sure this shocks you as much as it shocks me.
well, they do need someone to kill, friendly fire my arse! <_<Quote:
you don't go into any war without us now tho, do you?
Europeans - that's a bit sweeping. My ancestry at the time was Irish. I take it we are speaking of some time after 1066 but before 1939.Quote:
Originally posted by Beast@24 September 2003 - 18:27
If all the Europeans had left my homelands the hell alone, and not slaughtered my ancestors, "America" would not be the same... the world would be better had they, instead, adopted the lifestyle that existed with the earth.
You came over as greedy, disease ridden vermin and slaughtered, ruined, raped, killed and "conquered" my ancestor's land. Suffer at the policies of your motherland's creation.
The eurocentric and christian policies of greed, perversion, hate, fear and conquest made cultures extinct, and caused a holocaust far worse than the famous European one with that German guy... Seems that is what western culture is good at breeding. Mass murderers.
Until you are willing to face the blood of my ancestors on your predecessor's hands, stop bitching about the power your world created. Had we "savages" had the same technology the lying bastrds that came across the Alantic had, things would be MUCH different now.
I stand to be corrected but the Irish were never known for their empire building exploits. Indeed we were probably under the same yoke as your people were.
Europeans - that's a bit sweeping. My ancestry at the time was Irish. I take it we are speaking of some time after 1066 but before 1939.Quote:
Originally posted by JPaul+24 September 2003 - 17:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPaul @ 24 September 2003 - 17:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Beast@24 September 2003 - 18:27
If all the Europeans had left my homelands the hell alone, and not slaughtered my ancestors, "America" would not be the same... the world would be better had they, instead, adopted the lifestyle that existed with the earth.
You came over as greedy, disease ridden vermin and slaughtered, ruined, raped, killed and "conquered" my ancestor's land. Suffer at the policies of your motherland's creation.
The eurocentric and christian policies of greed, perversion, hate, fear and conquest made cultures extinct, and caused a holocaust far worse than the famous European one with that German guy... Seems that is what western culture is good at breeding. Mass murderers.
Until you are willing to face the blood of my ancestors on your predecessor's hands, stop bitching about the power your world created. Had we "savages" had the same technology the lying bastrds that came across the Alantic had, things would be MUCH different now.
I stand to be corrected but the Irish were never known for their empire building exploits. Indeed we were probably under the same yoke as your people were. [/b][/quote]
We're good at buliding other peoples' empires for them, though, JP.
Beast
The technology and the culture are usually inter-linked. If you had the same technology you may well have been the same kind of people - consequently, the world would have been little different from what it is today.
Largely peacefully, earth centred, cultures tend not to go in for heavy industrialisation and mass weapon production.
The indigenous peoples of the Americas, Australia and parts of Africa got a raw deal. There is little point in denying the fact. It was once said that to determine if a a man is saintly ask his wife. Those cultures that have lived alongside the results of European migrations rarely give us the thumbs up on that one. It is little surprise that they have cherished their own religions and cultures in the face of the contradictions presented by the incoming ones (put crudely "Our God is love - now give us your land.")
It tends not to be widely known but the population of the Americas was greater than that of Europe in 1500 and through war and disease over a couple hundred or so years that population fell between 15 to 20 million. A genocide in anyones' book.
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Beast
I appreciate your anger. However do you think it really justifies your descent to the levels of the very people you protest against. Not all of Europe is guilty of raping your country.
Please feel free to attack specific groups if you wish, however leave the rest of us out of it. In fact as a said earlier, we are probably also victims of the same oppressors and looters.
sheffield? aint that where led zeppelin originated from? (think so....) any ways,Quote:
Originally posted by FKDUP74+23 September 2003 - 18:19--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FKDUP74 @ 23 September 2003 - 18:19)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The Horror fanatic@23 September 2003 - 04:25
i agree with you dark blizzard. most of england does suck ass, and i am from the north of england. it those southerners that spoil it for everyone here. you think of england and london comes to mind straight away. the best towns are cities are up north. Edinburgh, manchester, glasgow, newcastle, sheffield, and liverpool are great cities and towns. London just totally sucks.
I'M AN AMERICAN, AND PROUD OF IT
(whoever started this is probably pissed cause he couldnt get a visa or somethin!) [/b][/quote]
Def Leppard Mate
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Duly noted, I just went off. You are pretty much always a stand up guy, and at this point you are correct....Quote:
Originally posted by Beast+24 September 2003 - 19:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Beast @ 24 September 2003 - 19:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JPaul@24 September 2003 - 10:42
Beast
I appreciate your anger. However do you think it really justifies your descent to the levels of the very people you protest against. Not all of Europe is guilty of raping your country.
Please feel free to attack specific groups if you wish, however leave the rest of us out of it. In fact as a said earlier, we are probably also victims of the same oppressors and looters.
Reigning it in a little and attempting to clean filth off me....
Off to get a caffinated drink! [/b][/quote]
Beast
LOL
Top Man - I love passion like yours, particularly when combined with the ability to moderate one's self. It is rare.
Cheers Mate.
Just a wee point on superior technology or lack of it. Why do fundamentalists use bombs and not clubs and bows and arrows.
I can not believe the Mods would have alowed this thread to go on.I thought we were not here to go against other Countries or People.But from what I am getting this place is becoming anti America.
;) But that is ok..........we all know how I fell about Canada.
Your not anti anything FC if you state facts. It was just a few people who made rash statements(One about my country in particular) then retreated, that caused all this apparently anti American thread.
this thread has gone on for a long time. what is common fact is that in any country thers is that select few that are just born stupid. if we were all born virtually the same we would all like the same and sound like constant sticking records. what is fact is that some countries have done stupid things. We all know what happened in WW1 and WW2, the americans sat back and let the true fighters do all the dirty work. And because of their help in finishing the wars we are always eager to join their fights elsewhere, like IRAQ and so on.