Let's talk about BT

1337 doesn´t exist.

@sear


Do ppl really enjoy the trackers they belong to ?

I too wonder .... what do ppl enjoy the most in certain trackers... if the friends, the content or .... just forums...

I still think that , we have stagnated.... always the same faces everywhere... It wasn´t always like this, but whit the increase off security, its seams the only ones who can xxx or xxxx are the guys who don´t really need it.... i.e we have too much to offer, and no one to enjoy it.... ( that´s what i think )

You're probably right mate about too much to offer and no one to enjoy it. But yes people do enjoy the trackers they belong to. Every site has their diehards and you can see the enjoyment they get out of it easily. I'd also say that the vast majority of members that you never see and just download are also enjoying it well at least enjoying having access to free media.

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duh.. retards like ya make FST 'out Fucking STanding'.. :frusty:
refrain from posting if ya have no idea what you are on about..

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You're probably right mate about too much to offer and no one to enjoy it. But yes people do enjoy the trackers they belong to. Every site has their diehards and you can see the enjoyment they get out of it easily. I'd also say that the vast majority of members that you never see and just download are also enjoying it well at least enjoying having access to free media.

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you're right sear.... but imo ppl who create places such as fsc with an awful tracker and a forum slower than dialup on a t1 connection ...dont give us torrenters much to enjoy except that it is ranked 9 on a traders level list

You raise a great point Bad-Day. Market saturation I guess. Perhaps the boom in the number of trackers doesn't parallel the boom in torrenters and it's thinned the available bandwidth out to all trackers. It is an observable fact that many trackers have gotten proactive in the search for active members what with the rise in the number of interview channels on irc for a number of trackers, and the idea of "recruiters"

Trackers want more members, but they also want safer members and it's created a sort of forced socialization, in that it's fast becoming a prerequisite to have a demonstrable community activity level on the trackers people already have. That activity is a commodity in the trust equation. But there are only so many active folks for now and barring turning people into torrenters that otherwise wouldn't is not really an option.

@ BrianH or whoever you normally are, do you need a hug man?

I guess so Sear.


But still i wonder where are all those thousands, hundreds, etc... off users that RIAA talks about... How is it possible, that the major trackers, ( well established ) seam to be having an hard time, getting new members that want to leech ?

Are people still using emule ? Dcc ? Or have they all run away to Usenet or rapid share forums ?

I guess..... maybe.... were not that many...

wow i have to edit this didint saw your post there Intr4ns1t :) morning buddie.

BrianH , respect.... But when u say, fsc blablabla level9, you relly sound like a frustrated collector, dude....... why the fuck did u need to talk about levels in this thread ? make your own post ( i think i know u you are :) ) and bitch about it....... dont ruin this one. please do not reply in here either, go fuck a squirl or a cow.

lol Brian, your cute. Can I hire you to cheer me up for those rainy day's?

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you're right sear.... but imo ppl who create places such as fsc with an awful tracker and a forum slower than dialup on a t1 connection ...dont give us torrenters much to enjoy except that it is ranked 9 on a traders level list

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Wow you're a real gem. I'm truly hurt.

@Bad-Day, they're using public trackers I guess or giants like TL that's all the average user really wants is huge swarms.

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@Bad-Day, they're using public trackers I guess or giants like TL that's all the average user really wants is huge swarms.

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Why the "average" user ?

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@Bad-Day, they're using public trackers I guess or giants like TL that's all the average user really wants is huge swarms.

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Why the "average" user ?

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I would say that he's right myself. Of the millions(?) using bit torrent, only a small percentage of them are aware that there is a community that feeds that media mill. Most people just want files with as little effort as possible, and the monster swarms make it easier to follow the rules.

Average user, has someone who doesn't feel the need to get involved .. thats just wants to download the stuff and nothing else.

But from what i have seen, on ppl i meet here and there,....... some off them have no idea trackers, have forums, or that there are trackers were people help each other, and become friends....

That´s why i said, i liked it better in the old days, we were friends, helping each other... and we were cool like hell :)

This space between users and the tracker, is mostly a problem cause by the giant trackers like Tl , they do a fantastic job, but they are not a community.... i.e Who ever said tl has a good forum or this or that ?

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Average user, has someone who doesn't feel the need to get involved .. thats just wants to download the stuff and nothing else.

But from what i have seen, on ppl i meet here and there,....... some off them have no idea trackers, have forums, or that there are trackers were people help each other, and become friends....

That´s why i said, i liked it better in the old days, we were friends, helping each other... and we were cool like hell :)

This space between users and the tracker, is mostly a problem cause by the giant trackers like Tl , they do a fantastic job, but they are not a community.... i.e Who ever said tl has a good forum or this or that ?

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I would say that he's right myself. Of the millions(?) using bit torrent, only a small percentage of them are aware that there is a community that feeds that media mill. Most people just want files with as little effort as possible, and the monster swarms make it easier to follow the rules.

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Ok i understand better the used of "the average user".
Just a question. Do you think it is easy to integrate a community established some years ago ?
(As in real life when you join a group of friends who have common experiences)

You edited your post :D

Do you think it is easy to integrate a community established some years ago ?
(As in real life when you join a group of friends who have common experiences)

It is up to you, entirely.

I have arrived every single tracker late, they where all already well established... and i never had any problems metting people or making friends... specially @ E i meet great guys over there who teched me so much.... ( joined less than a year a go ) altough i found it funny that it was easier to make friends whit the staff than normal users, maybe because most off the guys in the irc are kids, and the staff is usually the only ones whit more than 18years.
/me thinks this could explain why i never got along whit anyone at ftn ... :S

I just meant that most people that use BT to download aren't interested in or know about the other aspects of trackers that some people like. If you are joe blow torrenter then pretty much all you want is to download at the fastest speed possible which means big swarms, or $1000 GB seedboxes.

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That's one of the cool things about Private BT, generally once you have established yourself you do share a common experience. That of figuring out how to establish yourself. It's no small task, and having the desire to do so puts you at the advantage of knowing more that those "average" users. I'm not trying to say that it makes it efortless to fit into a community, but it does put you on common ground with the other members who have travelled that route.

Or do it like me, just spam the irc´s someone will find it funny..... and in no time you will have new friends :D


Intransit i couldn't have said it better.

Ps: IdolEyes787 is ghey. ( Saw it on the news channel )

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That's one of the cool things about Private BT, generally once you have established yourself you do share a common experience. That of figuring out how to establish yourself. It's no small task, and having the desire to do so puts you at the advantage of knowing more that those "average" users. I'm not trying to say that it makes it efortless to fit into a community, but it does put you on common ground with the other members who have travelled that route.

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Unfortunately fitting at a lot of places means having the same limited scope of appreciation as their increasing younger user base.


@ Pride -Day then whoever Idoleyes is I wish him luck in his relationships.

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Unfortunately fitting at a lot of places means having the same limited scope of appreciation as their increasing younger user base.

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Fair enough. So does that add a need for mentorship to the unaware masses of youthful members? Or do the "senior" members have no obligation beyond just enjoying their insular communities?

I tell them that Heroes sucks if that's any help?

Its different , becoming a members on lots off places, in a year, or to become a member at lots off places in 5 years...

ouch* That hurt.

Seriously you cannot teach anything to someone who has no desire to learn.

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Seriously you cannot teach anything to someone who has no desire to learn.

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You'll get no argument from me on that one ;)

I BT because it's an addiction. Same with stats and getting to those uber ranks. It's not even about the content anymore for me, unless it's a music tracker.

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I BT because it's an addiction. Same with stats and getting to those uber ranks. It's not even about the content anymore for me, unless it's a music tracker.

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Well, I think you should be applauded for being honest. You actually are bringing up something that probably should be addressed if we are really talking about all aspects of BT. I am positive that there are quite a few folks that also find themselves unable to stop, much like gambling, the feeling of elation at achieving some transient goal driving them well past sane usage levels.

I mean, I'm sure most of us have at least heard reference to internet addiction, so it can only be worse in BT as there is a semi tangible reward to it, in the speed you get your files, or the esteem of the trackers you gain entry to, or the selection you have to choose from. It's easy for someone to say "use moderation" but there is always the crutch of community there to help us convince ourselves that it's a valid use of time.

I wish you luck in dealing with your addiction bas1c, and only wish I could tell you something to make it easier to unplug, other than just saying "you should unplug" but there's not really much else to say.

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I BT because it's an addiction. Same with stats and getting to those uber ranks. It's not even about the content anymore for me, unless it's a music tracker.

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Well, I think you should be applauded for being honest. You actually are bringing up something that probably should be addressed if we are really talking about all aspects of BT. I am positive that there are quite a few folks that also find themselves unable to stop, much like gambling, the feeling of elation at achieving some transient goal driving them well past sane usage levels.

I mean, I'm sure most of us have at least heard reference to internet addiction, so it can only be worse in BT as there is a semi tangible reward to it, in the speed you get your files, or the esteem of the trackers you gain entry to, or the selection you have to choose from. It's easy for someone to say "use moderation" but there is always the crutch of community there to help us convince ourselves that it's a valid use of time.

I wish you luck in dealing with your addiction bas1c, and only wish I could tell you something to make it easier to unplug, other than just saying "you should unplug" but there's not really much else to say.

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Well I'm not THAT far gone. RSS, a good filter, and a box definitely gives you peace of mind. But it's definitely fun to log in to see your percentages/stats everyday.

I see where you are getting at though. Maybe it falls under addiction, but at least in my case, I think it's more about exceeding and trying to be the best at whatever I may be doing. That drive that always makes me want to be on top. Once I get to that transient goal of mine I'll be 'done' and move onto the next thing.

Now onto [my] addiction problems: gambling and alcohol. I have no explanation for those other than that I have an addictive personality and like to let go every once in awhile.

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You'll get no argument from me on that one ;)

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There is no bad students, but only bad teachers ! Nowadays,maybe the major problem of the BT is the education of "the average member". BT looks like a "McDonald", where the people come, take what they want, and go ! You just have to look at how many people pushed the "thanks button" or let a comment for the uploader in all the trackers where you're on, and to compare it with the "snatched list"

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U dunno what is IC ? its a forum. Nothing like tr or tps or cfs, ppl dont beg for nothing... or suck...

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lmfao minute i joined that shitty forum all these scrubs kept tellin me how we were all family and then some indian guy kept messaging me telling me how he dreams to join sites

left that place in the dust

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I BT because it's an addiction. Same with stats and getting to those uber ranks. It's not even about the content anymore for me, unless it's a music tracker.

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how is bt an addiction u just download and go afk ...

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A student by definition has a desire to learn. If someone does not wish to learn, they are no student. I would love to hear some ideas on how to teach those "average" users though. You can't force someone to read the rules let alone any primer on the commonly accepted "rules" while ignoring the fact that there is no commonly accepted "rules". Most folks that use bit torrent get their exposure from sites like Mininova, Isohunt, TPB and Demonoid at first, so things like ratios and seedtime requirements are foreign to most of them. It's not till they get sick of fakes and infections that they start to seek out more trustworthy sources of media. Then they have to relearn how to torrent, if they care to change their habits.

There was a great tutorial on oink on being a good member of private trackers. I read it when I was first starting out and it taught me a lot, it was funny too. I'd love to know if anyone has seen it hosted someplace else.

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There was a great tutorial on oink on being a good member of private trackers.

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whats your idea of a good member on a torrent site then?coz in my thinking,you can't put a bar on it and say that this is the exemplar for everyone else to look upon.
On the site you patently staff on for example,community comes first or so i've heard and from that I can draw forum activity and IRC being key for anyone to be considered an ideal member.My question then begs,how do you think you are fairing as of this scenario?(90% participation being an A, anything below an F).

To draw a queer parallel,TL(as being a for files tracker)will prune this 10% who aren't using the tracker as its meant to be.It would be informative to know whether you live upto the brand and do actually indeed do something about your bad users as well.

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There is no bad students, but only bad teachers !

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A student by definition has a desire to learn. If someone does not wish to learn, they are no student. I would love to hear some ideas on how to teach those "average" users though. You can't force someone to read the rules let alone any primer on the commonly accepted "rules" while ignoring the fact that there is no commonly accepted "rules". Most folks that use bit torrent get their exposure from sites like Mininova, Isohunt, TPB and Demonoid at first, so things like ratios and seedtime requirements are foreign to most of them. It's not till they get sick of fakes and infections that they start to seek out more trustworthy sources of media. Then they have to relearn how to torrent, if they care to change their habits.

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"There is no bad students, but only bad teachers" is from

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There are no bad students, only bad teachers. The child who understands why he was asked to provide such intellectual effort, manual or physical, the child understands that he will use in his life everyday (What is reading, writing, calculation?), that child will be involved in learning and related problems such as discipline diminishes accordingly. For this it is necessary - always ahead of school work - to discuss, argue, to treat children as individuals in their own right and provide the best possible conditions to develop their critical sense.

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(sorry, I'm not sure of the translation)
For example, the word "Students" may be replaced by "new users" and the word "teachers" by "staff" or "former users".

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There was a great tutorial on oink on being a good member of private trackers.

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whats your idea of a good member on a torrent site then?coz in my thinking,you can't put a bar on it and say that this is the exemplar for everyone else to look upon.
On the site you patently staff on for example,community comes first or so i've heard and from that I can draw forum activity and IRC being key for anyone to be considered an ideal member.My question then begs,how do you think you are fairing as of this scenario?(90% participation being an A, anything below an F).

To draw a queer parallel,TL(as being a for files tracker)will prune this 10% who aren't using the tracker as its meant to be.It would be informative to know whether you live upto the brand and do actually indeed do something about your bad users as well.

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Well the tute I was talking about was more about explaining how ratios work and why it's important to give back what you take, basic stuff like that.

To answer your question I agree with you. I think there is no 'one' ideal type of member. Everybody does what they can. Some just download and help that way. Others seed till it bleeds and keep torrents alive. Some people might bring their fast pipes while others participate in the forums and IRC while some just live in the IRC and you never see them on the site hardly at all.

Every 'good' member just does what comes natural to them really and take part in the way they feel like. Just because someone doesn't want to take part in the forums doesn't make them a bad member lol it is a tracker after all. Conversely you could be the most well known member in the forums and IRC and if you piss all over the tracker by not sharing back what you take then you're still going to have a problem.

As for fsc well I guess we have a reputation for being 'community' based because we're small only about 1800 members and we like to encourage a community spirit in our forums and we actually believe in the moto sharing is caring. For us it's about sharing files and talking to people who share common interests or even just bring something interesting to the table. We do it for the love of it not the money or the ego or the fucking 1337 of it.

Above all though the site was founded on a policy of respect, so yes we've fostered a community but that doesn't mean you're a bad member if you don't want to participate in the forums and IRC we don't think about it like that at all. TBH I'd say only 20-30 percent of our members are active in the forums and even less on the IRC but our goal isn't to make sure every member is active in the community side. All we want is to provide a small, secure and private place for friends and friend of friends to share and if they wish they can have a chat about whatever they like.

As to your other point do we punish bad users, yes we do all the time. Though we actually try to work with people and give them a chance to step up before slamming the ban hammer down and no member is ever going to be punished for not taking part in the community side lol. We did prune a bunch of inactive members a while ago but that was people who hadn't logged on and they could all have their accounts back if they wanted.

This thread is not that different from cabalo's or albo's, you can take out the flames and the fun (just cause they are not organized) in those threads and they're pretty much like this one. Is the fact of being more organized or that i posted reason to make it epic? More pages?

[ironic] I use BT cause trackers have forum.php :happy: [/ironic]
Ofc i use it to download stuff be it legal or not, since movies, TV, music, whatever, and also games for my homemates (the only game i like is NFS and i prefer to download the stuff they want rather than invite them to somewhere where they can get the stuff fast :ermm:). First cause TV shows air in PT 2 years after airing in US or UK and most part don't even air, second cause i prefer to download than to pay for it (with some exceptions ofc). ;)

If any site fullfills my needs? well, if not i just try google (be it cause i can't find it anywhere be it cause it's being too slow and i may get some RS links for the same content :yup:

I'm happy with the trackers i'm a member/user of. As i sayd if i can't find it i just try google of ask to one of my friends (thought that usually are them the ones who ask me :dabs: )

Politicts affect me just for the exclusive torrents but well, i just respect the rule (i'm happy that at least i can download that there).

Morals of BT? Keep the security in mind, respect the rules (even the stupid ones) and use common sense.

I like seedwhores :thumbsup: (the people that is seeding when i download the torrent :yup: :cheers: :yahoo: ) but i just don't give a damn shit to the ratiowhores (the people that download the torrent when it comes out just cause it's in the <imput category name here> and so it probably has more than <imput number of GBs here>) :nono:

<imput ramdon smile string here to spam the thread>

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To answer your question I agree with you. I think there is no 'one' ideal type of member. Everybody does what they can. Some just download and help that way. Others seed till it bleeds and keep torrents alive. Some people might bring their fast pipes while others participate in the forums and IRC while some just live in the IRC and you never see them on the site hardly at all.

Every 'good' member just does what comes natural to them really and take part in the way they feel like. Just because someone doesn't want to take part in the forums doesn't make them a bad member lol it is a tracker after all.

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You reassure me because I was beginning to think that I was really a bad member. :P

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To answer your question I agree with you. I think there is no 'one' ideal type of member. Everybody does what they can. Some just download and help that way. Others seed till it bleeds and keep torrents alive. Some people might bring their fast pipes while others participate in the forums and IRC while some just live in the IRC and you never see them on the site hardly at all.

Every 'good' member just does what comes natural to them really and take part in the way they feel like. Just because someone doesn't want to take part in the forums doesn't make them a bad member lol it is a tracker after all.

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This thread is not that different from cabalo's or albo's, you can take out the flames and the fun (just cause they are not organized) in those threads and they're pretty much like this one. Is the fact of being more organized or that i posted reason to make it epic? More pages?

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Word per post ratio maybe? :P

Are we all having fun yet?

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This thread is not that different from cabalo's or albo's, you can take out the flames and the fun (just cause they are not organized) in those threads and they're pretty much like this one. Is the fact of being more organized or that i posted reason to make it epic? More pages?

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The difference in this thread, as opposed to one's started by those named and others, is that the intent here is on debate, exploration and invitation to anyone wanting a good convo - see where it goes so to speak - rather than some veiled and cynical means to poke fun, flame, or pursue an agenda.

It's been an interesting read so far. Thanks to the op for opening it up :)

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Are we all having fun yet?

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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA never make when i see u..... i see u.... fst is filesharing.....no pictureforum....

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This thread is not that different from cabalo's or albo's, you can take out the flames and the fun (just cause they are not organized) in those threads and they're pretty much like this one. Is the fact of being more organized or that i posted reason to make it epic? More pages?

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The difference in this thread, as opposed to one's started by those named and others, is that the intent here is on debate, exploration and invitation to anyone wanting a good convo - see where it goes so to speak - rather than some veiled and cynical means to poke fun, flame, or pursue an agenda.

It's been an interesting read so far. Thanks to the op for opening it up :)

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It may sound like bullshit, but I really do get alot of happiness from this game, and really only want the best for all involved. The more input the better, and yes I have made great efforts to try to keep this thread interactive. It's always a joy to see people, who have the experience that newbs don't, explain how they see things. It can only serve to better the quality of user that all trackers get and that makes everyones experience more positive.

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The difference in this thread, as opposed to one's started by those named and others, is that the intent here is on debate, exploration and invitation to anyone wanting a good convo - see where it goes so to speak - rather than some veiled and cynical means to poke fun, flame, or pursue an agenda.

It's been an interesting read so far. Thanks to the op for opening it up :)

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It may sound like bullshit, but I really do get alot of happiness from this game, and really only want the best for all involved. The more input the better, and yes I have made great efforts to try to keep this thread interactive. It's always a joy to see people, who have the experience that newbs don't, explain how they see things. It can only serve to better the quality of user that all trackers get and that makes everyones experience more positive.

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I'd just like to add that I wouldn't mind newbs respond to this thread. No so that I can bash them, but with the intention to see how they see things. Maybe by knowing that the staffers can see which aspects of BT need to be further emphasized...

Or maybe it's just me.