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So is the cancer patient better now?
No, to my knowledge Andy wasn't in Gods of the Arena.
The rumour of a cameo was not true and his "appearance" was limited to that of a ( previously shot) glimpse in the epilogue ( I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by iLOVENZB
I loved Rome. 300 and gladiator were good too, so I'll be giving it a try for sure.
I'm Downloading it now.
Sad news, the re-occurrence of cancer in Andy Whifield proved to much.
http://www.ivpressonline.com/enterta...,1519299.story
It was good except for the excessive porn
I congratulate you on your sensitivity.
lmao Im being serious I know it was common in that day and age and historically correct but cmon
cmon what? You expect them to be throwing pillows at each other?
sad news indeed i thought he was terrific in Spartacus and i only watched one episode of Spartacus: Blood and Sand which i thought was dreadful BTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
I thought the same bazz. I stuck with it though because all them Americans swore blind it was excellent. IT DID!!11! Stick with it until around the 3rd-4th ep, if you dont like it then ditch it.
Favourite ep would have to be "The Pits" episode.
i do know that it sometimes takes a while with all new series to get your interest ILOVENBZ. it had a few sticky episodes in it but don't most of them.but overall thought it had good potential.
i knew that the actor was suffering from cancer but didn't know how bad it was. and the second series was being put back all the time .
then they come up with the Spartacus: gods of the arena spin off which i thought was dreadful BTW.
i couldn't tell you anything about it as i stuck around for the 1st episode and ditched it big style
Your post being directly following ,I was referring to your insensitivity regarding Andy Whitfield's death.:mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by mueller
Who the fuck is Andy Whitfield?Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Season 3 is still getting the go for as much as I know. Season 3 will be entitled, "Spartacus: Vengeance".
RIP Andy!
Spartacus had a razor sharp plot and brilliant acting. Yes, violence and sex featured prominently in the episodes, but what else would you expect within the training grounds for muscular, scantily clad men who fought for their only chance at freedom and were doted on by slave girls? That's right, sex and violence. However, if anyone believes those were the real heart of the story, they weren't paying attention. This was the story of a failure to tame the will of men, the consequences of greed and betrayal, the indomitable desire to be free at any cost; the allure of a roaring crowd, the death of a brother, the shame of a son and his seething rage towards his father; the twisting of friends into enemies and the eternal struggle for power and prosperity.
Spartacus is a story about life and its many brutalities. I would rank it as a personal favorite and a great victory of acting and storytelling. Dismissing it on account of sex and violence seems to be a cheap cop-out and reveals an inability to gaze underneath the surface of what appears at first glance to be yet another shallow series.
I hate to break it to you but it was a shallow series entirely about gratuitous sex and violence.The fact that some of the actors managed to imbibe it with a sense of something more is a testament to both their talent and their passion and not some loftier, imagined goal of the producers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glod
Seriously the guy did Dollhouse for God's sake.
I mentioned nothing about producers, and we can at least agree upon the quality of the acting, though that wouldn't have been adequately demonstrated without an appropriately complex story. Each of the characters had motives that guided their actions, some of which led them into frequent disputes involving violence, but I don't recall any scene in which one of them committed an act of aggression simply for the sake of it. I consider Spartacus to be great for avoiding that trap and managing to provide understandable reasons for such actions. I've never heard of Dollhouse, and a work should be judged on its own merit, not previous works by the same creator.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787I hate to break it to you but it was a shallow series entirely about gratuitous sex and violence.The fact that some of the actors managed to imbibe it with a sense of something more is a testament to both their talent and their passion and not some loftier, imagined goal of the producers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glod
Seriously the guy did Dollhouse for God's sake.
I said some of the actors ,notably the lately passed Andy Whitfield. Most of the other actors portraying the other main characters range from John Hannah's passable Batiatus to seriously bad aka Lucy Lawless' Lucretia.Somewhere Shakespeare is rolling over in his grave becasue Lady Macbeth she ain't .Quote:
Originally Posted by GlodI mentioned nothing about producers, and we can at least agree upon the quality of the acting, though that wouldn't have been adequately demonstrated without an appropriately complex story. Each of the characters had motives that guided their actions, some of which led them into frequent disputes involving violence, but I don't recall any scene in which one of them committed an act of aggression simply for the sake of it. I consider Spartacus to be great for avoiding that trap and managing to provide understandable reasons for such actions. I've never heard of Dollhouse, and a work should be judged on its own merit, not previous works by the same creator.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
Anyway after perusing your other posts I assume you will disagree with what I wrote but as for Spartacus being more than just cable friendly pulp fiction as you seem to have a tendency to over-think things. Putting more meaning into them than the creator ever intended.Makes for ,I'm sure many the lively talk around the dinner table but as once said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.:mellow:
Btw I'm not trying to disparage Spartacus which has a certain undeniable visceral appeal .To further desecrate literature - a cigar may be just a cigar but a good cigar is a smoke.
John Hannah had one of the more impressive performances, I thought. He could be downright vicious and succeeded in conveying a deep-seated resentment towards his father and anyone who set him back on the road to power and wealth. Even so, he dealt that lethal hand of his with pragmatic subtlety and cunning throughout the series. I could cite examples, but you presumably saw those scenes and already judged them for yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787I said some of the actors ,notably the lately passed Andy Whitfield. Most of the other actors portraying the other main characters range from John Hannah's passable Batiatus to seriously bad aka Lucy Lawless' Lucretia.Somewhere Shakespeare is rolling over in his grave becasue Lady Macbeth she ain't .Quote:
Originally Posted by Glod
Anyway after perusing your other posts I assume you will disagree with what I wrote but as for Spartacus being more than just cable friendly pulp fiction as you seem to have a tendency to over-think things. Putting more meaning into them than the creator ever intended.Makes for ,I'm sure many the lively talk around the dinner table but as once said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.:mellow:
Btw I'm not trying to disparage Spartacus which has a certain undeniable visceral appeal .To further desecrate literature - a cigar may be just a cigar but a good cigar is a smoke.
Bear in mind that the meaning of the story is what I personally took away from it, regardless of whether or not the creator intended it as such. Even if he were only interested in attracting audiences via sex and violence, that wouldn't detract from the story or my level of appreciation for it, and I firmly believe that blasting Spartacus for supposed shallowness is to miss out on the complex activity beneath. However, we are in clear disagreement, so I'll say that a cigar might just be a cigar to you, but it could hold additional meaning for someone else. Since we're using quotes now, one man's trash is another man's treasure.
Will you guys stop digging through my trash, I was thinking there was a bear around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glod
as you said it's just blood and sex and sex and sex again
very bad acting it's like porn tv show
umbrella rihanna ............. the best :)
Is that the new accessorized version of her that came out? I think it's a cheap knock off of Weather Anchorwoman Superhero Not Wet.Quote:
Originally Posted by zizo22
From the red carpet of last night's premiere of Spartacus :Vengeance the new female "fighter".
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When asked what he thought about facing a woman in the Arena Spartacus replied "Well whatever the outcome I'm glad I ate her.
I watched the first episode of Vengeance and what struck me was how unlikable all characters are when they aren't tethered to a plot that inherently instils some sympathy.
That and I don't remember the way they seem determined to do every fight scene in slow motion as being nearly as annoying.The whole point of slow mo is to accentuate something but here there is such a preponderance that all it does is suck the life from the action.
Well i find thew new season to be more costly , i mean with visual effects and the sex scenes . It will take some time to get used to the new spartacus , i don't find him very good at his role
OK the "torture the slave scene" was a little more than I really bought into the series for.:dabs:
I don't watch crap like Saw or Hostel because I'm not a big fan of pointless sadism.
That was the phrase I was looking for to describe those mentioned film series.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787
My babie's momma is into this show with a vengeance, and totally infatuated with this actor Pana Hema Taylor, who could've been a primo gangsta if it weren't for this shit
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsoMxGP_4k
Is Lucy Lawless a "big-time actor" where you're all from? I heard that Zena was a cult hit, and I guess that would mean a bit of a following for this show too?
C lister at best.Except for this show and Xena which her conveniently were /are both produced by husband Rob Tapert her greatest claim to fame was a reoccurring roll on BSG and having her top fall down while singing The Star Spangled Banner at an Anaheim Ducks hockey game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CQ1ST
Am not really enjoying this new series at all... I don't think the 'new' Spartacus is a touch on Andy Whitfield, and for some reason am just not getting into the whole plot the way I did with the previous 2 series
how can you not like blood, tits, more blood, sex, more blood, ass, more blood, & death? I think it is pretty comical how gory they make every fighting scene and then show some titties in the middle of it...
Whoa, whoa, whoa... where did I say I didn't like all those delights??? :lol:
Just think the storyline/actors/acting is a little bit sheee-ite this time round, and not really getting into it... in fact I downloaded episode 5 last night and am sat on here typing shit instead of watching it... wouldn't have happened before with the previous 2 series :lol:
I was feeling pretty much the same but episode 5 proved to overcome the annoying characters and bad acting and was terrifically apocalyptic. Whoever directed it deserves some credit for infusing the climatic battle with both a ton of energy and a bit of suspense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Burnsy
Probably back to meh after this but at least it showed that the series when done well can still work.
Well I best bugger off for the night and watch this episode 5 then...
Season 2 finale aka Bloodbath Part Deux.
Actually the series is following remarkably closely to reported History so I wonderSpoiler: Showif at the very end the producers opt for hope(Spartacus' ultimate fate unknown) or resolution (a la Kubrick)
Anyway while watching that I had to wonder if there has ever been another series that approached the violence of this one?
I've just watched the finale to Vengeance.
What an absolutely fantastic franchise this is. If you're a guy, it appeals to you on a number of levels - mostly very base levels but what has struck me is how closely tethered to various historical accounts this depiction of Spartacus has remained. Historical dramatisations have always been one of my favourite genres but what often sets them apart from one another is how subtle the nods to documented events and characters are. You get to thinking how the writers will depict a certain character or event and I've usually been pleasantly surprised with Spartacus. Particularly with Vengeance since the previous two series weren't so ruled by past events.
I loved the episode where they brought down the arena, everyone did, it was best episode in all three of the series. Absolutely gripping and I can't think of anything to top it, entertainment wise, from any other genres within the last few years.
What was unfortunate was the absence of one lead performer throughout the whole thing. I've heard so many people say that the new Spartacus isn't a patch on Andy Whitfield, but I think the new dewd's acting is slightly better. His presence and the intensity conjured up by the production team has grown on me throughout the series to such an extent that he is an eminently more believable Spartacus than Andy Whitfield ever was.
The reuniting of Oenomaus and Gannicus which was facilitated by Spartacus close to the conclusion was cheesy but I think the feel-good factor was needed to temper the deaths of so many main characters and the apparent hopelessness of their situation.
What they did with the historically unremarkable Glaber was fantastic, giving him a burning raison d'être and necessarily giving him both military and political nous so that he could be a worthy nemesis for Spartacus. Both his and Ashur's demise paves the way for the really heavy Roman hitters to have a crack at Spartacus and his merry men in the next series. I just worry how the pitched battles will be worked in, I understand that they're rather difficult to properly co-ordinate on television budgets.
Lastly, why are there so many Australians in it.
They work cheap and don't require shower facilities since they are comfortable in their own filth.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Anyway I sort am divided on the "new" Spartacus.I think the problem that people have with him(McIntyre) is that he lacks some of the masculinity of Whitfield .I do agree though that he carries off the big inspirational speeches that were so much part of that cycle than I think Whitfield could have.
As for the battle scenes , most everything is already shot in front of bluescreens so I suppose it's just a matter of how much the network/producers are willing to invest to make it believable.
Also obviously history-wise and as dire as things were, up until this point Spartacus has just been annoying the periphery of Rome .From now on everything has to get big ,whether the series can accommodate that or not.
Yeah, I'm interested to know how they're going to show him and his followers tramping up and down Italy - because I'm not sure what they were up to and it seems as if no one really knew wtf he was thinking. Also, up until now, we're asked to suspend disbelief such that Spartacus and his men can easily defeat trained soldiers of a similar or greater number, so it will be interesting to see how that's worked in with the more famous battles being won with overwhelming numerical advantages in favour of the rebelling slaves.Quote:
Originally Posted by IdolEyes787They work cheap and don't require shower facilities since they are comfortable in their own filth.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Anyway I sort am divided on the "new" Spartacus.I think the problem that people have with him(McIntyre) is that he lacks some of the masculinity of Whitfield .I do agree though that he carries off the big inspirational speeches that were so much part of that cycle than I think Whitfield could have.
As for the battle scenes , most everything is already shot in front of bluescreens so I suppose it's just a matter of how much the network/producers are willing to invest to make it believable.
Also obviously history-wise and as dire as things were, up until this point Spartacus has just been annoying the periphery of Rome .From now on everything has to get big ,whether the series can accommodate that or not.
I just googled McIntrye as I didn't know his name before. He's an Aussie too ffs.
Looks like you were right :smilie4: