Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
ca_aok
There's a pretty simple solution to prevent this "invasion of privacy". Don't trade. It's funny how the slower ones have a hard time comprehending that. If you don't trade you don't need to worry about proxies, scores of usernames and emails, CSS leaks, IP matches, trader hunters, or the constant worry of being caught. It's funny how some people never learn.
actually, turns out that bitme staff just don't give invites for users that are fst members. the thing is, nothing can protect average user against a staff stupidity or paranoia or bad mood or anything.
there's _no_ universal solution against it
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Originally Posted by
sear
No staffer is going to disable someone just for visiting a thread in a forum ... for all they know you're a trader hunter yourself. They're using it as an indication for further checks. Standard procedure really. It's the weight of evidence that convicts.
what makes you so sure to predict actions of all staffers in the world? if anyone think that all staffers always act using common sense, reason or some kind of moral, even relative, is just plain naive....
they're humans and they're all different and they all act the way they feel it so it's impossible to predict at all what the reaction will be to any user action.
and there's no universal way of how to avoid it - from one side it's better to try not to give them any information at all on which they could take some actions and from this side css leak is a no-no even for those who formally don't brake no trackers rules, from other side - not giving information, using different nicks/emails can also make you a shady user in the eyes of staffers...
ps between histories that i witnessed during my time in bt, i saw US guy being disabled on some tracker because somebody found the similar nick on some indian trading forum with 2 year old messages. just one example of how bright staff can be sometimes.
pps it's more or less common practice to ban users belonging to some countries, so punishing users because of being users of other sites may be even less "nazi" thing to do actually ;)
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It's totally true that bitme won't give invites to users they know to be members of FST.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Cabalo
It's totally true that bitme won't give invites to users they know to be members of FST.
How stupid, do they even have any rhyme or reason behind this idiotic method?
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
kukushka
actually, turns out that bitme staff just don't give invites for users that are fst members. the thing is, nothing can protect average user against a staff stupidity or paranoia or bad mood or anything.
there's _no_ universal solution against it
Nothing you said here negates the statement you quoted. There are a few trackers with a narrowminded view towards FST (BitMe and x264.me come to mind) but just because a few staff members are like that doesn't make your example the defining rule against my statement. It's more the exception to the rule.
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Originally Posted by
kukushka
and there's no universal way of how to avoid it - from one side it's better to try not to give them any information at all on which they could take some actions and from this side css leak is a no-no even for those who formally don't brake no trackers rules, from other side - not giving information, using different nicks/emails can also make you a shady user in the eyes of staffers...
Regarding giving them no information: this isn't possible. If you want something like that, go use a public tracker through a proxy. And using different names and emails on each site makes you appear to be a trader, or at the very least someone with something to hide, so there's definitely truth to that.
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Originally Posted by
kukushka
ps between histories that i witnessed during my time in bt, i saw US guy being disabled on some tracker because somebody found the similar nick on some indian trading forum with 2 year old messages. just one example of how bright staff can be sometimes.
I don't think there's a single BT user that hasn't seen a staff member somewhere make a poor decision. Shit happens sometimes. Without knowing more about that specific situation it's hard to comment further on it.
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Originally Posted by
kukushka
pps it's more or less common practice to ban users belonging to some countries, so punishing users because of being users of other sites may be even less "nazi" thing to do actually ;)
If you're a member of say, the big cheating forum, obviously there's going to be some scrutiny from tracker staff.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
Cabalo
It's totally true that bitme won't give invites to users they know to be members of FST.
Their is no doubt about this fact.
I have seen that when sites frame more stringent rules, they carve their own grave or they hinder their own progress or they do harm to them self one way or other.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
ca_aok
or at the very least someone with something to hide.
which is absolutely fine otherwise your sig should be linking the world to your linkedin and facebook profiles.And I don't think ca_aok is your real name either.Some of us are paranoid but others tend to be a little too paranoid and I think you should try and understand that.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
ca_aok
And using different names and emails on each site makes you appear to be a trader, or at the very least someone with something to hide, so there's definitely truth to that.
I don't have the same nick or email on every tracker. Do I appear to be a trader or have something to hide? I think that only closed-minded or immature people would come to this kind of conclusion. ;)
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I've been banned on trackers before based on a nickname match. Granted sometimes the odds do seem too low to warrant anymore research, however, I'm just throwing out there the fact that sometimes staff do not "weigh" all the evidence possible, at least not all the time.
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The Exploit for the <<peaceful purpose>> sounds bit strange, doesn't it? As well as for the baning purpose :p Like we use evil instrument to destruct evil... I bet sometimes people use the internet for non-torrenting related private stuff. Probably sometimes they realy want to keep it private. It's nothing about paranoia, it's just about the confidence and a bad feeling that someone raped you with sploit.
Also looks like i know where is my bitme invites gone now. I've never need any of them but I still didn't learn how to predict the future properly using neuronets or whatever.
Also life sucks.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by ca_aok
First off, spell my name right if you're going to make useless accusations against me.
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Originally Posted by AbyBeats
Also by the looks of it caook and ringhunter wont even mind if their bank accounts get stolen or if their personal info is made public
Accusations?:blink: and Spelled your name correctly this time.:unsure:
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Originally Posted by ca_aok
Secondly, the CSS leak can't do shit all to steal your bank account aside from telling them which bank you use (assuming they've compiled an exhaustive list of the URLs of every banking site). It has no mechanism to swipe your username or password, it simply shows that you visited a web page. This has nothing to do with accounts being stolen or people's data being released, which is generally collected by methods completely separate from the CSS leak thing (email/username + google is usually a good starting point). I'm not sure if people are misinformed about how this all works or if you're simply trying to extrapolate this "invasion of privacy" to a completely different invasion of privacy. Either way it's a useless comparison.
I wasnt talking to what extent CSS leaks can be used or its technicality.I am asking,what will you do if a tracker/forum goes beyond exploiting CSS leaks?Are you okay with that too?
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Originally Posted by ringhunter
I have a problem with pirates setting rules amongst pirates, and tying ethics to it.
This I agree.
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Originally Posted by ringhunter
What I am arguing is the fact that I believe it's wrong for a pirate to set rules for other pirates to abide by
This I dont agree.A group can have whatever rules they want their members to abide by.If you dont like the rules or dont want to be a member of a group you can leave it or dont join it.Who are you to say pirates shouldnt set rules? and every criminal organisations out there have very strict rules to follow.Do you find that weird as well?
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Originally Posted by ringhunter
One of the my worst gripes with the scene are all the retarded standards; attempting to set rules by which rule breakers are attempted to be contained.
The people in scene enjoys being in the scene and participating within it.The rules they set are for them to follow and not others outside their circle.If you think they have retarded standards,you are free to release according to your standards or be like p2p groups which has no set standards to follow or dont follow the Scene.The scene likes to have a set rules by which members in it should be following.So what?Since when did a group of "like minded individuals" cant do what they like?
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Have you even read what I have written?
I always read before replying.Maybe I may have misunderstood something,that dosent mean I havent read it and is mindlessly writing something.:ermm:
And @ringhunter;Are you supporting what What.CD is doing or are you against it?Just to be clear.Thats all.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
Cabalo
It's totally true that bitme won't give invites to users they know to be members of FST.
true that...I have been a VIP there for like a year now,and have never received a single invite in the past.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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AbyBeats
And @ringhunter;Are you supporting what What.CD is doing or are you against it?Just to be clear.Thats all.
At the risk of sounding like a hypocritical jerk, I actually agree and commend them for anything they can and will do.
I just don't agree with imposing their moral standards on people, but at the end of the day, they are doing their job. So is anon, so are the RIAA. Asking for any person or group to short-change themselves when it comes to doing their jobs because I don't agree with the moral side of it is egotistical.
Do I dislike traders/trading? Yes, but still, it's their choice and they're doing what they want. Just as they reserve that right, staff reserve the right to fight back against them should they choose so.
What I've disagreed with the full time is not the notion that trading is right or wrong, but it's that people seem to think it's morally wrong to trade just because some tracker staff said so.
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Originally Posted by
ringhunter
What I've disagreed with the full time is not the notion that trading is right or wrong, but it's that people seem to think it's morally wrong to trade just because some tracker staff said so.
The "morally wrong" part comes in that you (presumably) gave your word ( in signing up) not to .
Trading might in and of itself not be "morally wrong" but I'm pretty sure that the majority of the planet agrees that lying is.
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IdolEyes787
The "morally wrong" part comes in that you (presumably) gave your word ( in signing up) not to .
Trading might in and of itself not be "morally wrong" but I'm pretty sure that the majority of the planet agrees that lying is.
Understood. Take this hypothetical situation. Trader comes to FST, trades his way into every tracker imaginable. RandonmPseudonym1337 comes along and says "It's amazing what people can achieve when they discard morality."
Which do you think our hypothetical person referred to? The lie, or the trading? I was under the assumption that most people that even bring the topic up to the table for discussion had a gripe with the conduct itself, not with people going back on their word.
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Glitterstep
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Originally Posted by
Cabalo
It's totally true that bitme won't give invites to users they know to be members of FST.
true that...I have been a VIP there for like a year now,and have never received a single invite in the past.
Hence why I haven't yet donated there, and won't do so until the day they lift that petty rule (which is never). Instead buying upload credit, I seedboxed my ass off when I could, it's not the most correct thing to do, but hey, those are the rules of the game.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
ringhunter
Asking for any person or group to short-change themselves when it comes to doing their jobs because I don't agree with the moral side of it is egotistical.
an opinion doesn't imply trying to convince people.
you know, never disagreeing with anyone just because you respect their thoughts and beliefs doesn't make you more respectable or anything :shifty:
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cinephilia
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Originally Posted by
ringhunter
Asking for any person or group to short-change themselves when it comes to doing their jobs because I don't agree with the moral side of it is egotistical.
an opinion doesn't imply trying to convince people.
you know, never disagreeing with anyone just because you respect their thoughts and beliefs doesn't make you more respectable or anything :shifty:
Depends on the site we're speaking of. I can think of one or two where it is an unspoken rule.
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Originally Posted by
sez
which is absolutely fine otherwise your sig should be linking the world to your linkedin and facebook profiles.And I don't think ca_aok is your real name either.Some of us are paranoid but others tend to be a little too paranoid and I think you should try and understand that.
On a side note I actually know several people who join torrenting groups on facebook and add people as friends, which I find kinda funny. Linking your real name to the torrenting world isn't necessarily a good idea, but that goes beyond what's discussed here.
Sure some people are too paranoid, and that's their call. It still can look suspicious from an outside point of view. I'm not saying that such a perception is good or valid, it's simply a statement that to tracker staff you'll appear shifty if you're using different details everywhere.
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Originally Posted by
Funkin'
I don't have the same nick or email on every tracker. Do I appear to be a trader or have something to hide? I think that only closed-minded or immature people would come to this kind of conclusion. ;)
Trader :whistling
But seriously, if you hadn't noticed by now that description fits several staff members, so I'd probably wager they're warming up your global ban as we speak :lol:
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Originally Posted by
ringhunter
Which do you think our hypothetical person referred to? The lie, or the trading? I was under the assumption that most people that even bring the topic up to the table for discussion had a gripe with the conduct itself, not with people going back on their word.
One of the root reasons trading is bad is because you've inherently broken an agreement you made when you signed up for your own personal profit. It's hard to differentiate the two in this context, people might have an issue with the conduct, but part of the conduct is being dishonest and deceitful.
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Its kind of hard to expect people to follow all the rules, when you make a rule that you can only download the files you have the legal rights to. I believe I've seen that rule on the majority of trackers I frequent. Obviously they don't expect you to follow all the rules, or they wouldn't be in 'business'.
Re: What.cd is spying on Filesharingtalk
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Originally Posted by
ringhunter
At the risk of sounding like a hypocritical jerk, I actually agree and commend them for anything they can and will do.
That's surprising. Even I installed this css script to prevent them from seeing my browsing. I think it's a real shitty thing that they're doing this. And eventhough I have nothing to hide, it's the fact that they're taking such measure just to catch a trader or cheater. Some people take this whole BT thing entirely too seriously.
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Originally Posted by
ca_aok
Trader :whistling
But seriously, if you hadn't noticed by now that description fits several staff members, so I'd probably wager they're warming up your global ban as we speak :lol:
Yeah. And the funny thing is, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if one of the numerous questionable staffers throughout the bt community were to try and initiate a "global" ban for such a stupid reason. :rolleyes:
