"ON-POINT" would be a nice change...by all means. :)
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"ON-POINT" would be a nice change...by all means. :)
I'm not sure that applies. It sounds as if the military cannot enforce something which the state of local agencies currently have reasonable control of, but the border is "controlled" by the fed - the Border Patrol and ICE, and the fed has also let it be know that this is their territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
It starts with things like this V - pay particular attention to the emboldened section:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Navy, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.
The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act.
Get Congress to set up a buffer zone that will be the responsibility of the military only. A lot of the Mexican and the Canadian borders are rivers, canyons and lakes etc. It will be good training for the troops.
You mean, like the Korean DMZ?
Now, there's an idea.
Yes. It would be a bit onesided though. It's a win win.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
That alone would disqualify it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboabYes. It would be a bit onesided though. It's a win win.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
There are millions of people living in towns that are in the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Truman, Hoover and Eisenhower did it to create jobs for the troops coming home. Does 'Wetback' ring any bells from your history lessons?Quote:
Originally Posted by elbuitreThere are millions of people living in towns that are in the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
http://www.wtxpatriots.org/joomla/in...tation-history
your point being? do you want to remove everyone living there?
If they're illegal aliens, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by elbuitre
sure! but , he was saying he wants a dmz along the mexican border, that would require to remove all people, not just illegal aliens
I don't care who the hell you think you are, or refer or quote, my great-grandfather, may he rest in peace, WAS NOT and IS NOT a WETBACK!!!!!!! Stop using such derogatory racist terms. He was a BRACERO!!!!!!! Wetback is the equivalent of the N-word. Don't be so willing to use it! He came to the US during WWII, and worked his ass off for Americans who promised him papers. They lied and took advantage of him. They used the power of government to try and screw him. I say "try" because that's all they did, he obviously came out on top since there are well over 300 of his descendants here in the US and in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboabTruman, Hoover and Eisenhower did it to create jobs for the troops coming home. Does 'Wetback' ring any bells from your history lessons?Quote:
Originally Posted by elbuitre
http://www.wtxpatriots.org/joomla/in...tation-history
I always find it amazing how much immigrants have done/tolerated in order to become "Americans". I use the quotes out of sad necessity. Even those who did everything (some were given legal status) still exist(ed) in a climate that refuses to recognize them as equals.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
BTW, anyone who feels the need to delete posts like the above, has already lost the debate. It has happened WAY too many times lately. Quit being a coward. :dry:
There was no offence meant. I was under the impression that a Wetback was someone who had swum across the Rio Grande in order to enter the U.S.A. illegally. Your Grandad was invited into the U.S.A. So the term Wetback could no way be referring to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13I don't care who the hell you think you are, or refer or quote, my great-grandfather, may he rest in peace, WAS NOT and IS NOT a WETBACK!!!!!!! Stop using such derogatory racist terms. He was a BRACERO!!!!!!! Wetback is the equivalent of the N-word. Don't be so willing to use it! He came to the US during WWII, and worked his ass off for Americans who promised him papers. They lied and took advantage of him. They used the power of government to try and screw him. I say "try" because that's all they did, he obviously came out on top since there are well over 300 of his descendants here in the US and in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
This is a two way street. The vast majority of first, second, and sometimes third generation immigrants still regard 'the mother country' as their home and not their adopted country. Go into most cities in the world and there will be ethnic areas, some of them 'no go' areas to the native population.Quote:
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I always find it amazing how much immigrants have done/tolerated in order to become "Americans". I use the quotes out of sad necessity. Even those who did everything (some were given legal status) still exist(ed) in a climate that refuses to recognize them as equals.
I'll take you at your word. Just keep in mind, when quoting anything, always look at the source. Mojado was what they called him after they did't want him here anymore. When they were in need of ranchers, they were called Braceros, as in "Arms".Quote:
There was no offence meant. I was under the impression that a Wetback was someone who had swum across the Rio Grande in order to enter the U.S.A. illegally. Your Grandad was invited into the U.S.A. So the term Wetback could no way be referring to him.
If you had read the link that boab placed in the same post, you would have known it was a historical reference, and in no way a slur.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13I don't care who the hell you think you are, or refer or quote, my great-grandfather, may he rest in peace, WAS NOT and IS NOT a WETBACK!!!!!!! Stop using such derogatory racist terms. He was a BRACERO!!!!!!! Wetback is the equivalent of the N-word. Don't be so willing to use it! He came to the US during WWII, and worked his ass off for Americans who promised him papers. They lied and took advantage of him. They used the power of government to try and screw him. I say "try" because that's all they did, he obviously came out on top since there are well over 300 of his descendants here in the US and in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
The only content that has been deleted in this thread has been off topic posts, and that was only after warnings were ignored. Nothing is ever removed in this section or the rest of the board for that matter because a mod doesn't agree with the content. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by megabyteme
If you take issue with the way things are done, make a report thread or PM the mod/admin; don't throw out fallacious accusations in this thread. It is again, off topic.
Historical reference? Oh yeah, now you're calling my great-grandfather a liar? Oh no, you know you're right because you lived through it and you know everything, right? Cuz, he had reason to lie to me. Stop defending the use of that word!!! I don't care who you are. That word is exactly the same as the N word. Just like i can't say white derogatory terms. If you want to defend that, it's on you. I'm sure you can find more than a couple history books from the 30's and 40's that refer to African Americans as the "N" word. Are you going to quote them too?
If you're unable to have grown-up discussions, you probably shouldn't post in this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
"Operation Wetback was a repatriation project of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service to remove illegal Mexican immigrants ("wetbacks") from the Southwest."
In this context, it does have a historical value. How can you not not see that? :frusty:
It has nothing to do with your grandfather or anyone else.
Should we destroy all copies of 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' because it has the word "nigger" in it? Of course not.
@boab - That was a good link to some good information. I'm waiting on J2's response to that as he's more in touch with the legal parameters I believe from then to now.
How is what he posted in any way historically accurate? What are their sources?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkizIf you're unable to have grown-up discussions, you probably shouldn't post in this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
"Operation Wetback was a repatriation project of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service to remove illegal Mexican immigrants ("wetbacks") from the Southwest."
In this context, it does have a historical value. How can you not not see that? :frusty:
It has nothing to do with your grandfather or anyone else.
Should we destroy all copies of 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' because it has the word "nigger" in it? Of course not.
@boab - That was a good link to some good information. I'm waiting on J2's response to that as he's more in touch with the legal parameters I believe from then to now.
Read this very carefully, you ^ and MBM:Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
For purposes here, with specific regard to the dispute at hand, "wetbacks" and "braceros" aside?
Leet puts his great-grandfather up against Bob's citation, and Bob wins.
If Leet wants to question Bob or his citation, it is incumbent on Leet to begin by providing a counter.
That is the way debate/discussion works.
Are we to believe pigmentation is a free pass to the peremptory hissy-fit?
This fucking guy wants to shoot his horse in the starting gate, and here we have another member egging him on, ffs.
No offense intended, of course.
How would a DMZ work within the United States, vis-à-vis Federal/State powers/obligations/rights? Would it require a tacit agreement between border states, or can the Federal government "claim" the land?
:shuriken:
Congress is empowered to 'sieze' land for the protection of the States. Mass (global)immigration as seen today has got to stop. Too many immigrants want to change the law to 'their' laws. We've had cases in the U.K. of 'honour' killings, where the victim reneged on a 'contract marriage' was murdered, sometimes by their own family. I saw a member of TV audience saying, Why can't we have 'Sharia Law' for the area we live in?Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicNakor
I'ts like Gerrymandering, only using people instead of borders.
The tax payers of today are going to be the huddled masses of tomorrow.:rolleyes:
I don't seem to remember you posting in this section before. If you are using this account to overcome a banning or disablement then I'm afraid there is a chance that you won't be posting in any section again. Pity. A debate is about many aspects of a 'problem'. If you can't debate and prove that your version is correct or accept that your version is wrong, then debating is not your forte. Bye.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by MBM
Mods have a difficult job. This is not the Lounge. If you stray off topic or become personal then that part or whole of your post will be deleted. A can't see Skiz doing anything untoward. In fact he does a very good job and very rarely has, or needs to interfere in this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by MBM
P.S. there you go contradicting yourself by posting again. :rolleyes:
Wow, so now MBM gets a ban because he makes some sense? According to J2d2, my great grandfather is a Wetback, and anyone that says it's "history" can call him that also. The sources cited for that "wiki" were completely one sided. The very people that the article states were called bigots, are the same ones they are citing. You consider that link as a credible source? Not ACLU though, right? Is it history or just an excuse to throw racist terms around without consequence? Putting things into perspective, J2d2 and others with his views live in secluded rural areas, where this form of thinking is rampant. New Mexico or western texas, doesn't represent the US by any means.
Oh and if the mods were doing their jobs, which they are not, it wouldn't get personal. J2d2 seems to get as personal as he wants without any sort of consequence. Why is that? Will this post be deleted too?
Okay - back all that up, pal.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
Quote exactly where and how I called you or your Grandfather a "wetback".
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Shoot MBM a PM and beg him to post in support of your accusations.
Actually, it needn't be MBM - anybody will do.
How about The Texas State Historical Association?Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
There is a complete bibliography as well with plenty of reputable sources.
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Operation Wetback was a repatriation project of the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service to remove illegal Mexican immigrants ("wetbacks") from the Southwest. During the first decades of the twentieth century, the majority of migrant workers who crossed the border illegally did not have adequate protection against exploitation by American farmers. As a result of the Good Neighbor Policy, Mexico and the United States began negotiating an accord to protect the rights of Mexican agricultural workers. Continuing discussions and modifications of the agreement were so successful that the Congress chose to formalize the "temporary" program into the Bracero program, authorized by Public Law 78. In the early 1940s, while the program was being viewed as a success in both countries, Mexico excluded Texas from the labor-exchange program on the grounds of widespread violation of contracts, discrimination against migrant workers, and such violations of their civil rights as perfunctory arrests for petty causes. Oblivious to the Mexican charges, some grower organizations in Texas continued to hire illegal Mexican workers and violate such mandates of PL 78 as the requirement to provide workers transportation costs from and to Mexico, fair and lawful wages, housing, and health services. World War II and the postwar period exacerbated the Mexican exodus to the United States, as the demand for cheap agricultural laborers increased. Graft and corruption on both sides of the border enriched many Mexican officials as well as unethical "coyote" freelancers in the United States who promised contracts in Texas for the unsuspecting Bracero. Studies conducted over a period of several years indicate that the Bracero program increased the number of illegal aliens in Texas and the rest of the country. Because of the low wages paid to legal, contracted braceros, many of them skipped out on their contracts either to return home or to work elsewhere for better wages as wetbacks.
Increasing grievances from various Mexican officials in the United States and Mexico prompted the Mexican government to rescind the bracero agreement and cease the export of Mexican workers. The United States Immigration Service, under pressure from various agricultural groups, retaliated against Mexico in 1951 by allowing thousands of illegals to cross the border, arresting them, and turning them over to the Texas Employment Commission, which delivered them to work for various grower groups in Texas and elsewhere. Over the long term, this action by the federal government, in violation of immigration laws and the agreement with Mexico, caused new problems for Texas. Between 1944 and 1954, "the decade of the wetback," the number of illegal aliens coming from Mexico increased by 6,000 percent. It is estimated that in 1954 before Operation Wetback got under way, more than a million workers had crossed the Rio Grande illegally. Cheap labor displaced native agricultural workers, and increased violation of labor laws and discrimination encouraged criminality, disease, and illiteracy. According to a study conducted in 1950 by the President's Commission on Migratory Labor in Texas, the Rio Grande valley cotton growers were paying approximately half of the wages paid elsewhere in Texas. In 1953 a McAllen newspaper clamored for justice in view of continuing criminal activities by wetbacks.
The resulting Operation Wetback, a national reaction against illegal immigration, began in Texas in mid-July 1954. Headed by the commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization Service, Gen. Joseph May Swing, the United States Border Patrol aided by municipal, county, state, and federal authorities, as well as the military, began a quasimilitary operation of search and seizure of all illegal immigrants. Fanning out from the lower Rio Grande valley, Operation Wetback moved northward. Illegal aliens were repatriated initially through Presidio because the Mexican city across the border, Ojinaga, had rail connections to the interior of Mexico by which workers could be quickly moved on to Durango. A major concern of the operation was to discourage reentry by moving the workers far into the interior. Others were to be sent through El Paso. On July 15, the first day of the operation, 4,800 aliens were apprehended. Thereafter the daily totals dwindled to an average of about 1,100 a day. The forces used by the government were actually relatively small, perhaps no more than 700 men, but were exaggerated by border patrol officials who hoped to scare illegal workers into flight back to Mexico. Valley newspapers also exaggerated the size of the government forces for their own purposes: generally unfavorable editorials attacked the Border Patrol as an invading army seeking to deprive Valley farmers of their inexpensive labor force. While the numbers of deportees remained relatively high, the illegals were transported across the border on trucks and buses. As the pace of the operation slowed, deportation by sea began on the Emancipation, which ferried wetbacks from Port Isabel, Texas, to Veracruz, and on other ships. Ships were a preferred mode of transport because they carried the illegal workers farther away from the border than did buses, trucks, or trains. The boat lift continued until the drowning of seven deportees who jumped ship from the Mercurio provoked a mutiny and led to a public outcry against the practice in Mexico. Other aliens, particularly those apprehended in the Midwest states, were flown to Brownsville and sent into Mexico from there. The operation trailed off in the fall of 1954 as INS funding began to run out.
It is difficult to estimate the number of illegal aliens forced to leave by the operation. The INS claimed as many as 1,300,000, though the number officially apprehended did not come anywhere near this total. The INS estimate rested on the claim that most aliens, fearing apprehension by the government, had voluntarily repatriated themselves before and during the operation. The San Antonio district, which included all of Texas outside of El Paso and the Trans-Pecos, had officially apprehended slightly more than 80,000 aliens, and local INS officials claimed that an additional 500,000 to 700,000 had fled to Mexico before the campaign began. Many commentators have considered these figure to be exaggerated. Various groups opposed any form of temporary labor in the United States. The American G.I. Forum, for instance, by and large had little or no sympathy for the man who crossed the border illegally. Apparently the Texas State Federation of Labor supported the G.I. Forum's position. Eventually the two organizations coproduced a study entitled What Price Wetbacks?, which concluded that illegal aliens in United States agriculture damaged the health of the American people, that illegals displaced American workers, that they harmed the retailers of McAllen, and that the open-border policy of the American government posed a threat to the security of the United States. Critics of Operation Wetback considered it xenophobic and heartless.
BIBLIOGRAPHY: Carl Allsup, The American G.I. Forum: Origins and Evolution (University of Texas Center for Mexican American Studies Monograph 6, Austin, 1982). Arnoldo De León, Mexican Americans in Texas: A Brief History (Arlington Heights, Illinois: Harlan Davidson, 1993). Juan Ramon Garcia, Operation Wetback: The Mass Deportation of Mexican Undocumented Workers in 1954 (Westport, Connecticut: Greenwood Press, 1980). Eleanor M. Hadley, "A Critical Analysis of the Wetback Problem," Law and Contemporary Problems 21 (Spring 1956). Saturday Evening Post, July 27, 1946. Julian Samora, Los Mojados: The Wetback Story (Notre Dame: University of Notre Dame Press, 1971).
Back what up? What is there to dispute? You want to pretend like that bit of "history" is valid enough to call my family a derogatory term. It's that simple. You want to defend a site that makes wiki look like a paysite simply because it calls Braceros, Wetbacks. I don't have anything to prove, you've done enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4Okay - back all that up, pal.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
Quote exactly where and how I called you or your Grandfather a "wetback".
Also-
Shoot MBM a PM and beg him to post in support of your accusations.
Actually, it needn't be MBM - anybody will do.
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Be realistic. You do realize you live in NM, right? These types of ideas are rampant in those parts. Talk of militarizing the border is nothing more than fantasy. It will never happen. EVER. So why even discuss it? Saying that you're out of touch is an understatement. That's just the facts, sorry.
Who backs YOU up? Someone that doesn't just delete posts to YOUR liking please.
I don't see anything credible. The most recent reference is from the GI forum, which is obviously prejudiced. The other semi recent one, is from someone based in Arlington Heights which happens to be KKK central in Illinois. The rest of the references are from the 70's and 50's. Yeah, really credible. It doesn't matter and as i said, unless you're Mexican you can't use that word. I don't care who you are. The world changes SKIs, i suggest you go along with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
I'm telling you why people started using that word, but you still refuse to put it to rest. It was an ignorant term used by Whites to describe Braceros. Its that simple. I don't see why I have to spell it out for you. The fact that you found some literature to "back up your sources", doesn't mean much. Anyone can find literature on whatever they want to find. I actually knew someone who lived it, but my input isn't valid?
Look i really dont care what fantasies you want to discuss here, about militarizing the border or whatever. All im saying is that referring to Braceros as wetbacks is wrong. It may be historically accurate, but it's wrong. Just like it would be accurate that it was commonplace to call blacks the N word. I'm telling you its offensive, that should be enough. I don't care if you wanna use them as reference, just call them what they were BRACEROS. Thats all i ask.
:frusty:Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
Take the blindfold off, ffs.
Bracero
Mexican farm worker, legally admitted to the United States on a temporary contract basis from 1942 to 1964. The intention of that practice was to control the influx of ‘wetbacks’ (Mexican workers who crossed the Rio Grande illegally), to regulate the conditions of employment and to protect the wage levels of domestic workers. Close to 180,000 of such workers were legally contracted in 1964, the last year of the program. Their legal admission was discontinued because of the adverse effect their availability was alleged to have had on employment of U.S. nationals.
(verbatim)Encyclopaedia Britannica 1974
I'm sorry I can't find a better unbiased reference than that.
I think I will close on that. I get a sore head knocking it against the wall.:cry:
Yeah right. congress is going to remove all infrastructure along the border, move millions of Americans out of their home and make trade with Mexico (3rd largest trade partner, double than that of Japan) harder to stop people from coming to do shitty jobs. Congress has not been able to build a wall for this very reason; A lot of land they want to take is on the hands of universities and they're fighting the federal government for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigboab
Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13Back what up? What is there to dispute? You want to pretend like that bit of "history" is valid enough to call my family a derogatory term. It's that simple. You want to defend a site that makes wiki look like a paysite simply because it calls Braceros, Wetbacks. I don't have anything to prove, you've done enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
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Be realistic. You do realize you live in NM, right? These types of ideas are rampant in those parts. Talk of militarizing the border is nothing more than fantasy. It will never happen. EVER. So why even discuss it? Saying that you're out of touch is an understatement. That's just the facts, sorry.
Who backs YOU up? Someone that doesn't just delete posts to YOUR liking please.
This stuff makes me giggle, it's so stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13I don't see anything credible. The most recent reference is from the GI forum, which is obviously prejudiced. The other semi recent one, is from someone based in Arlington Heights which happens to be KKK central in Illinois. The rest of the references are from the 70's and 50's. Yeah, really credible. It doesn't matter and as i said, unless you're Mexican you can't use that word. I don't care who you are. The world changes SKIs, i suggest you go along with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
I'm telling you why people started using that word, but you still refuse to put it to rest. It was an ignorant term used by Whites to describe Braceros. Its that simple. I don't see why I have to spell it out for you. The fact that you found some literature to "back up your sources", doesn't mean much. Anyone can find literature on whatever they want to find. I actually knew someone who lived it, but my input isn't valid?
Look i really dont care what fantasies you want to discuss here, about militarizing the border or whatever. All im saying is that referring to Braceros as wetbacks is wrong. It may be historically accurate, but it's wrong. Just like it would be accurate that it was commonplace to call blacks the N word. I'm telling you its offensive, that should be enough. I don't care if you wanna use them as reference, just call them what they were BRACEROS. Thats all i ask.
An entity unto yourself, now?
I would say, in the entire history of this board, that you are far and away the thickest individual to achieve and abuse membership here.
I used to occasionally wander around the torrent section to amuse myself reading rampant stupidity; stupidity so deep and wide as to send me searching in vain for a stronger descriptive, BUT...
You - you take the mother-fucking cake, Chicago.
You are the most unrelentingly and unremittingly STOOOPID person to ever post in these hallowed halls.
Now, that is saying something - just ask me.
There - now you can say I've insulted you, I will certify the truth of that statement, and you still can't make a case for racism, you piece-of-shit.
Keep posting, asshole.
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I'm not from New Mexico, stupido.
Shouldn't we trying to control our citizens first, the way they kill each other with those gun thingins? Many more are killed by guns that illegals with cars, so lets fix the constitution the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4
Only you would be so ignorant. Is your life really that pathetic you have to make simple thing, like not using a racist term to describe my ancestors, into a huge political issue? Are you really that small? Receiving insults from degenerates like yourself, tickles me.Quote:
Originally Posted by j2k4Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
This stuff makes me giggle, it's so stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13I don't see anything credible. The most recent reference is from the GI forum, which is obviously prejudiced. The other semi recent one, is from someone based in Arlington Heights which happens to be KKK central in Illinois. The rest of the references are from the 70's and 50's. Yeah, really credible. It doesn't matter and as i said, unless you're Mexican you can't use that word. I don't care who you are. The world changes SKIs, i suggest you go along with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skiz
I'm telling you why people started using that word, but you still refuse to put it to rest. It was an ignorant term used by Whites to describe Braceros. Its that simple. I don't see why I have to spell it out for you. The fact that you found some literature to "back up your sources", doesn't mean much. Anyone can find literature on whatever they want to find. I actually knew someone who lived it, but my input isn't valid?
Look i really dont care what fantasies you want to discuss here, about militarizing the border or whatever. All im saying is that referring to Braceros as wetbacks is wrong. It may be historically accurate, but it's wrong. Just like it would be accurate that it was commonplace to call blacks the N word. I'm telling you its offensive, that should be enough. I don't care if you wanna use them as reference, just call them what they were BRACEROS. Thats all i ask.
An entity unto yourself, now?
I would say, in the entire history of this board, that you are far and away the thickest individual to achieve and abuse membership here.
I used to occasionally wander around the torrent section to amuse myself reading rampant stupidity; stupidity so deep and wide as to send me searching in vain for a stronger descriptive, BUT...
You - you take the mother-fucking cake, Chicago.
You are the most unrelentingly and unremittingly STOOOPID person to ever post in these hallowed halls.
Now, that is saying something - just ask me.
There - now you can say I've insulted you, I will certify the truth of that statement, and you still can't make a case for racism, you piece-of-shit.
Keep posting, asshole.
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I'm not from New Mexico, stupido.
You seriously like to stroke your own ego, for what reason, I don't know. You're not a smart person by any means AT ALL. I suspect that's why you take your far-out political views to the board, since no one will listen to you for more than a couple seconds in real life.
Oh and if you're going to insult in a different language, at least get it right. ESTUPIDO!
And there is a nice, neat example of your ignorance and deficient powers of discrimination - I haven't referred to you or your great-grandfather by any racial terms except in your fevered imagination, and I defy you to find anyone on this board who would agree that I have.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
Well, then.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13
Sorry, pecker-head.
Hmmm... seems like this thread, which started out on solid footing, has degenerated into incoherent racist rants from leet again. What a surprise!
Another example of taxpayer money being wasted on public schools in the form of ethnic studies and MECHA.
You mean Red States can't win elections? How do you think Bush won both elections? The Red States.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33tpirata13