Why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be?

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Originally Posted by Darth Rings

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Originally Posted by Disme

Oh my ... that explains a lot ... if it were true off course.

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Alas, it's not. Asperger's is diagnosed by multiple factors, none of which Oleg exhibits. OCD is such an intensive issue that people cut their own skin off while trying to clean it. It's not a laughing manner when just to bring your blood pressure down you almost kill yourself. And I won't even go near GAD. Either whoever diagnosed Oleg is just as smart as Oleg, or some part of the story is made up.

Source: My entire family is psychiatrists with the exception of myself.

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Thank you Dr. Rings, as my background is more legally-orientated it's nice to see here at FST we have the necessairy medical knowledge to diagnose our members before going to trial!

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Originally Posted by OlegL

I thought he was living in Canada.

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Originally Posted by barclays

So far, I did not know where the country are you from?

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Originally Posted by Darth Rings

Israel.

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:whistling

Darth Rings, you honestly confuse me. Maybe you are just trolling?

Pot calling the kettle black :lol:

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

There'd be no point in having signups at all. Private trackers wouldn't exist, everything would be like The Pirate Bay, full of people that hit and run, throttle their upload speeds to zero, there'd be fake files everywhere, zero retention, and kicking off any of these fucktards would have no effect because they could just rejoin.

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Then explain to me why the private tracker cinemageddon has permanent open sign-ups, yet it still exists.

The current user account limit (21,000) has been reached.

Accounts are deleted every 30 minutes, you can either wait for a slot to open or obtain an invite from a registered user.

They may just prune 1 or 2 accounts a day (if that) so they are not exactly open, I am not a member so they may very well let in 1000 a day, but with a userbase of 21,000 i very much doubt it. it just looks like they are open, but really they may be tight shut more than most sites.

PS: we are probably going to do the same when we reach 40,000 members, just stay open and when someone gets deleted someone gets in, 1st 2-3 months we may very well let in 200 a day, but it will calm down eventually, and then we will get 1-2 a day max, unless we increase the max member number.

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Originally Posted by stoi

The current user account limit (21,000) has been reached.

Accounts are deleted every 30 minutes, you can either wait for a slot to open or obtain an invite from a registered user.

They may just prune 1 or 2 accounts a day (if that) so they are not exactly open, I am not a member so they may very well let in 1000 a day, but with a userbase of 21,000 i very much doubt it. it just looks like they are open, but really they may be tight shut more than most sites.

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It's a very strange site with often very strange content and consequentially a very small dedicated userbase proportional to the total membership.
I think, although I've never been disabled even with periods of long inactivity , with the current ease of entry/re-entry people just use the site as much or as little as they wish and if they end up disabled for inactivity then figure they can just create another account.
With BCG it might be a far different situation since even with the SP bonus and the possible but less likely recreation of account, I'm thinking that people in general are a lot more invested in your site than in CG.
I could be wrong though as this forum often proves some people don't apparently care about anything or anyone.

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Originally Posted by stoi

The current user account limit (21,000) has been reached.

Accounts are deleted every 30 minutes, you can either wait for a slot to open or obtain an invite from a registered user.

They may just prune 1 or 2 accounts a day (if that) so they are not exactly open

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That's correct. I'd hardly call CG open, as they're closed most of the time.

I've observed many/most of the sites that are almost always open for signups also have large userbases. This way, even if a fraction of them break the rules by hit & running, cheating, and so on, most of the site will not be doing so. However, that has the disadvantage people from copyright agencies can join with just a couple of clicks. And besides blocking their (known) IPs, there's not much that can be done about that, either. BitTorrent's far from secure, anyway...

Just look at Filelist.ro. They do have some rules, but the only ones they really enforce are "don't act like an idiot on the forums/IRC", and "at least try to seed what you've downloaded". No one there really cares if you cheat or trade your account, as long as you respect those two. And the place is still awesome because of its large amount of content, speeds, and ease of seeding.

I think you will be surprised at how many do hit and run/cheat/trade or even donate just to get gigs and VIP (hit and run privilages really, and that to me isnt a Very Important Person on the tracker), you just have to see how good zynga is doing, you pay to get forward in the game faster, so basically cheating, and they are raking it in.

before we had the SP, and this is going back a few years now and i am getting old and memory isnt as good as it used to be, we had 100,000 members, but only 4,000 torrents and torrents would generally die within a month or 2 (there was the odd exception obviously) and ppl were donating getting VIP getting 50 hit and runs a month and also a really crap ratio, then when their donation ran out would just donate again (to be immune from warnings and bans really) we had members with 500 torrents and 500 hit and runs and ratios of 0.001 but we couldnt touch them with the way the tracker was set up, and i hated it lol

anyway there are some good members obviously, but for every good member you get 5 that are not so good, BT is basically going to the dogs tbh

Darth Rings, let's assume you are not trolling and you actually believe in what you say. Well, then you have no idea what a psychopath/sociopath is. According to what you think, psychopaths victimize themselves. Well, ask anyone on this board what a psychopath/sociopath is, and people will tell you that sociopaths victimize other people, but they don't victimize themselves. Yes, I often feel as if I am a sociopath because I usually care only about my own desires, but not about the desires of others, but it's just not the diagnosis I received. I already told you what my diagnoses are and if you are not actually trolling, then you will stop acting the way you have been acting for the past few weeks. You said things that are very bizarre, and no one else here ever said such things. I repeat, you are THE ONLY ONE that ever did it.

That makes me rather special, then, don't it? Is this where you try to get a rise out of me by projecting your own idiosyncrasies onto me, or is this where you try and get the last word "in" then run away? We both know you'll be reading this, so here's a hearty : Fuck you and die in a fire, you bloody moron. You seem to think it's funny to troll by picking random diseases and associating them with yourself, so let's hope that your god bestows upon you as many diseases as his memory can muster.

My apologies to Stoi and Anon for interrupting their conversation. If it's any consolation I'll pitch in by saying: The people who got into BT for the content as opposed to source collecting are the ones that will remain upstanding members at your tracker. Always remember that it takes a lot less bad to tip the scales in favor of an opinion, than it takes for good to make it all seem more positive. I get how it could easily become sickening seeing people abuse your good will and patience, but at the same time, at the end of the day, I'm sure you don't do it for the bad members. Your purpose is achieved at the end, and that should be all that matters to you.

You also have to remember that the nature of the content makes it difficult to seed. I recently found out that I lost my badge of honor at BCG because I had two hits n runs, and I had to go through hoops and hoops to remember which hard drive (that I had moved into my console room) had the files that needed to be seeded longer. Matter of fact is, and with the current state of gaming and piracy the way they are, people who seed for longer probably seed less files (unless they're dedicated) or don't need to download as much as they did at one point (they started off for collections' sake). If I download a new game, then as soon as I think I have the time to start playing it, I move it indefinitely out of my torrenting array. The same can't be said for things such as music and movies which I can just stream to my entertainment setup as opposed to necessitating that I either duplicate the files (effectively putting a limit on how much further I can download) or stop seeding.

OlegL in whose enforced absence as translated by IdolEyes

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Why do you feel the need to pick on me ?What have I ever done to you?
I don't care about any of this except that I really miss HDbits especially since they all got nice there and finally accepted me.
PS I wish things weren't so complicated and that I could get a women to have sex with me ......


preferably in HiDef.

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Originally Posted by olegl

darth rings, let's assume you are not trolling and you actually believe in what you say. Well, then you have no idea what a psychopath/sociopath is. According to what you think, psychopaths victimize themselves. Well, ask anyone on this board what a psychopath/sociopath is, and people will tell you that sociopaths victimize other people, but they don't victimize themselves. Yes, i often feel as if i am a sociopath because i usually care only about my own desires, but not about the desires of others, but it's just not the diagnosis i received. I already told you what my diagnoses are and if you are not actually trolling, then you will stop acting the way you have been acting for the past few weeks. You said things that are very bizarre, and no one else here ever said such things. I repeat, you are the only one that ever did it.

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troll. <.<

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Originally Posted by Darth Rings

That makes me rather special, then, don't it? Is this where you try to get a rise out of me by projecting your own idiosyncrasies onto me, or is this where you try and get the last word "in" then run away? We both know you'll be reading this, so here's a hearty : Fuck you and die in a fire, you bloody moron. You seem to think it's funny to troll by picking random diseases and associating them with yourself, so let's hope that your god bestows upon you as many diseases as his memory can muster.

My apologies to Stoi and Anon for interrupting their conversation. If it's any consolation I'll pitch in by saying: The people who got into BT for the content as opposed to source collecting are the ones that will remain upstanding members at your tracker. Always remember that it takes a lot less bad to tip the scales in favor of an opinion, than it takes for good to make it all seem more positive. I get how it could easily become sickening seeing people abuse your good will and patience, but at the same time, at the end of the day, I'm sure you don't do it for the bad members. Your purpose is achieved at the end, and that should be all that matters to you.

You also have to remember that the nature of the content makes it difficult to seed. I recently found out that I lost my badge of honor at BCG because I had two hits n runs, and I had to go through hoops and hoops to remember which hard drive (that I had moved into my console room) had the files that needed to be seeded longer. Matter of fact is, and with the current state of gaming and piracy the way they are, people who seed for longer probably seed less files (unless they're dedicated) or don't need to download as much as they did at one point (they started off for collections' sake). If I download a new game, then as soon as I think I have the time to start playing it, I move it indefinitely out of my torrenting array. The same can't be said for things such as music and movies which I can just stream to my entertainment setup as opposed to necessitating that I either duplicate the files (effectively putting a limit on how much further I can download) or stop seeding.

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I am glad you are not calling me a sociopath or a psychopath now.

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Originally Posted by Darth Rings

That makes me rather special, then, don't it? Is this where you try to get a rise out of me by projecting your own idiosyncrasies onto me, or is this where you try and get the last word "in" then run away? We both know you'll be reading this, so here's a hearty : Fuck you and die in a fire, you bloody moron. You seem to think it's funny to troll by picking random diseases and associating them with yourself, so let's hope that your god bestows upon you as many diseases as his memory can muster.

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Why can't you be just like everyone else on this board? If you start behaving like everyone else, I will like you as a person. If you continue behaving the way you behave, you will only cause the feelings of aggression in me.

Because human control internet, there r always conflict between individuals, groups, countries. etc. OlegL, u can always find somebody like u, somewhere accept u, just like in the real world. So, stop worrying about this kind of questions and try to be happy.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Why can't you be just like everyone else on this board? If you start behaving like everyone else, I will like you as a person. If you continue behaving the way you behave, you will only cause the feelings of aggression in me.

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That post in a nutshell: "I don't like you, either change so that I do or go away". I hope you realize what's wrong with that.

By the way, if you really don't like someone else's posts, vBulletin has an ignore list.

I want the old jojosalami to be back. The one who used to treat me nicely; the one who used to respond to my private messages; the one who helped me with my math problems; the one who I used to understand; the one who never said even one mean word about me; the one who was understanding... Why did you change? Why? Again, why? I wanna understand you. Please become the old Jojosalami. I really miss the old one. I really do. Come back.

If you didn't -troll- everyone and say things like

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Originally Posted by Oleg

[01:27:19] [Oleg] I am so fucking angry
[01:29:06] [Oleg] if you don't fucking re-enable my bitmetv and bitme accounts now, I will find you in England and kill you. Do you fucking get it? I want my accounts to be re-enabled.
[01:29:34] [Oleg] you cause violent feelings in me
[01:30:03] [Oleg] you make me so angry
[01:30:08] [Oleg] SO ANGRY
[01:30:49] [Oleg] do you understand that you truly cause violent feelings in me now?
[01:31:09] [Oleg] DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND IT?!!!!!

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People might be more sympathetic to you.

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Originally Posted by MusicalMind

If you didn't -troll- everyone and say things like

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Originally Posted by Oleg

[01:27:19] [Oleg] I am so fucking angry
[01:29:06] [Oleg] if you don't fucking re-enable my bitmetv and bitme accounts now, I will find you in England and kill you. Do you fucking get it? I want my accounts to be re-enabled.
[01:29:34] [Oleg] you cause violent feelings in me
[01:30:03] [Oleg] you make me so angry
[01:30:08] [Oleg] SO ANGRY
[01:30:49] [Oleg] do you understand that you truly cause violent feelings in me now?
[01:31:09] [Oleg] DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND IT?!!!!!

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People might be more sympathetic to you.

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I really hope this does not represent NYC.......?

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Originally Posted by MusicalMind

If you didn't -troll- everyone and say things like

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Originally Posted by Oleg

[01:27:19] [Oleg] I am so fucking angry
[01:29:06] [Oleg] if you don't fucking re-enable my bitmetv and bitme accounts now, I will find you in England and kill you. Do you fucking get it? I want my accounts to be re-enabled.
[01:29:34] [Oleg] you cause violent feelings in me
[01:30:03] [Oleg] you make me so angry
[01:30:08] [Oleg] SO ANGRY
[01:30:49] [Oleg] do you understand that you truly cause violent feelings in me now?
[01:31:09] [Oleg] DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND IT?!!!!!

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People might be more sympathetic to you.

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But you really did make me angry.

Once again, I keep on reading this thread for the IRC logs.

You mean the fake logs, right?

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

You mean the fake logs, right?

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OK, they're still entertaining...

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Originally Posted by ca_aok

You mean the fake logs, right?

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They are not fake. As you can see, MusicalMind (who's a staffer) posted that IRC log here.

My guess is that any chat logs that OlegL puts up are fake but the other ones put up by real people are real.

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Originally Posted by gamesover

My guess is that any chat logs that OlegL puts up are fake but the other ones put up by real people are real.

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Let me get this straight their are fake people here? You mean like Bruce Willis in the movie Surrogates or more like Kim Kashardian in real life ?

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Originally Posted by gamesover

My guess is that any chat logs that OlegL puts up are fake but the other ones put up by real people are real.

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What are you talking about? Is it a joke? All the chat logs that I put up were 100 % genuine.

Unfortunately, all the logs are real.

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Originally Posted by kostnkost

I really hope this does not represent NYC.......?

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That's just buying a cup of coffee at the local deli in the morning :P

best thread on the internet.

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Originally Posted by OlegL

Why are things in the bittorrent world more complicated than they should be? Why don't private trackers have a permanent open sign-up? Why do people sometimes get banned from trackers, if we all want one thing, just to get along? All that we want is to download something, upload something, and interact with people that are on bittorrent trackers. We want to be accepted; we want to be treated well; we want respect from others. We also want to treat others the way they want to be treated themselves. We don't want to be hurt; we don't want to hurt others; all we want is just to have fun. Why can't we just try to understand each other? What is it that divides us?

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In one word, 'stupidity'.

Why aren't there open signups? Stupidity.

Why do people get banned from trackers. Stupdity.

Why don't we all get along. Stupidity.

Why don't we download, upload and get along. Stupidity.

Why don't we get respect from others. Stupidity.

Why do we get hurt? Stupidity.

Why can't we have fun? Stupidity.

What divides us? Stupidity.


In short, there are stupid people in the world, from the stupid person who leeches but does not seed, to the stupid person who opens multiple accounts and tries to sell them, to the stupid person who thinks everyone else is stupid, and treats them as such, to the stupid person who executes their own civilians, and thinks everyone loves them.

Some people call it greed, but I call it stupidity, because to be intelligent is to accept others, regardless of their drawbacks, for what they are.

Stupid people wage war, and use others to do their fighting (they are stupid because they don't know human worth). The intelligent person will look at a peaceful approach, or use a method that will minimise human loss.

Remember that each and every one of us has a life. That life is precious, and we don't need stupid people trying to snuff that life out, which includes practically all our leaders.

Maybe when the world has changed, and the people in power respect that each and every one of us has a god given right to live on this planet peacefully, then maybe you will see open signup trackers where people don't get banned and everyone gets along.

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In one word, 'stupidity'.

Why aren't there open signups? Stupidity.

Why do people get banned from trackers. Stupdity.

Why don't we all get along. Stupidity.

Why don't we download, upload and get along. Stupidity.

Why don't we get respect from others. Stupidity.

Why do we get hurt? Stupidity.

Why can't we have fun? Stupidity.

What divides us? Stupidity.


In short, there are stupid people in the world, from the stupid person who leeches but does not seed, to the stupid person who opens multiple accounts and tries to sell them, to the stupid person who thinks everyone else is stupid, and treats them as such, to the stupid person who executes their own civilians, and thinks everyone loves them.

Some people call it greed, but I call it stupidity, because to be intelligent is to accept others, regardless of their drawbacks, for what they are.

Stupid people wage war, and use others to do their fighting (they are stupid because they don't know human worth). The intelligent person will look at a peaceful approach, or use a method that will minimise human loss.

Remember that each and every one of us has a life. That life is precious, and we don't need stupid people trying to snuff that life out, which includes practically all our leaders.

Maybe when the world has changed, and the people in power respect that each and every one of us has a god given right to live on this planet peacefully, then maybe you will see open signup trackers where people don't get banned and everyone gets along.

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Isn't your post a demonstration of what you are railing against at the end? I am not trying to be a troll either, but your post, while I tend to agree with most of it, is a pretty ironic battle between what you would like to see from the entire world, and you being just that very same self oriented, judgmental type you rally against at the end. You're, in essence, labeling everyone who ever gets banned as stupid, yet I know that most people who get banned, statistically(globally, not specific to your tracker) are inactive, not malcontents or actively "bad" individuals.

My point being, while I would love to see the world exactly as you describe it, how can it become that way when you also frame that argument with an example of that exceptional-ism that has infected world government, so all pervasively? Just some food for thought.

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Originally Posted by TheFoX

In one word, 'stupidity'.

Why aren't there open signups? Stupidity.

Why do people get banned from trackers. Stupdity.

Why don't we all get along. Stupidity.

Why don't we download, upload and get along. Stupidity.

Why don't we get respect from others. Stupidity.

Why do we get hurt? Stupidity.

Why can't we have fun? Stupidity.

What divides us? Stupidity.


In short, there are stupid people in the world, from the stupid person who leeches but does not seed, to the stupid person who opens multiple accounts and tries to sell them, to the stupid person who thinks everyone else is stupid, and treats them as such, to the stupid person who executes their own civilians, and thinks everyone loves them.

Some people call it greed, but I call it stupidity, because to be intelligent is to accept others, regardless of their drawbacks, for what they are.

Stupid people wage war, and use others to do their fighting (they are stupid because they don't know human worth). The intelligent person will look at a peaceful approach, or use a method that will minimise human loss.

Remember that each and every one of us has a life. That life is precious, and we don't need stupid people trying to snuff that life out, which includes practically all our leaders.

Maybe when the world has changed, and the people in power respect that each and every one of us has a god given right to live on this planet peacefully, then maybe you will see open signup trackers where people don't get banned and everyone gets along.

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Isn't your post a demonstration of what you are railing against at the end? I am not trying to be a troll either, but your post, while I tend to agree with most of it, is a pretty ironic battle between what you would like to see from the entire world, and you being just that very same self oriented, judgmental type you rally against at the end. You're, in essence, labeling everyone who ever gets banned as stupid, yet I know that most people who get banned, statistically(globally, not specific to your tracker) are inactive, not malcontents or actively "bad" individuals.

My point being, while I would love to see the world exactly as you describe it, how can it become that way when you also frame that argument with an example of that exceptional-ism that has infected world government, so all pervasively? Just some food for thought.

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The whole point of my drive is that there are people who disrespect others. Regardless of whether they order us to war, or leech yet not seed.

In my time, I have released my own source to a number of people. While most have shown the respect for the effort I made in implementing the script, a few have disrespected me by publishing my scripts as their own work. This happens all the time. It is one thing to copy something, but to actually claim ownership of something you never created is sheer ludicrousness.

But, otherwise, I totally agree with everything you say...

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In my time, I have released my own source to a number of people. While most have shown the respect for the effort I made in implementing the script, a few have disrespected me by publishing my scripts as their own work. This happens all the time. It is one thing to copy something, but to actually claim ownership of something you never created is sheer ludicrousness.

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I've commented on this scenario before, but I'll say it again here. If someone takes my script and settings, calls it their own, I'm fine with that. Sure I've worked hard to tweak it that way, but I'd rather spread something that works and is good (or rather great), even without getting credit, then having trash all over the place out there. I'm speaking hypothetically of course.

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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t

Isn't your post a demonstration of what you are railing against at the end? I am not trying to be a troll either, but your post, while I tend to agree with most of it, is a pretty ironic battle between what you would like to see from the entire world, and you being just that very same self oriented, judgmental type you rally against at the end. You're, in essence, labeling everyone who ever gets banned as stupid, yet I know that most people who get banned, statistically(globally, not specific to your tracker) are inactive, not malcontents or actively "bad" individuals.

My point being, while I would love to see the world exactly as you describe it, how can it become that way when you also frame that argument with an example of that exceptional-ism that has infected world government, so all pervasively? Just some food for thought.

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The whole point of my drive is that there are people who disrespect others. Regardless of whether they order us to war, or leech yet not seed.

In my time, I have released my own source to a number of people. While most have shown the respect for the effort I made in implementing the script, a few have disrespected me by publishing my scripts as their own work. This happens all the time. It is one thing to copy something, but to actually claim ownership of something you never created is sheer ludicrousness.

But, otherwise, I totally agree with everything you say...

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A crime of any degree is still a crime? An interesting argument, considering the field we work in :P I know what you mean, don't get me wrong, it is a problem/paradox. Especially in regards to the whole issue of "ownership." I know I am always very apprehensive about posting anything I write for writing's sake, as I do worry about plagiarism, but I would also have to feel a sense of the pride that mjmacky alludes to, at the fact that someone would regard my work enough to call it their own. I've only ever posted any of my creative writing on two sites, and I still thought very long(and I mean months) before doing so.

The bigger issues are the definition of "mine" in each individual, and our personal standard for "stupid." Personally, I very much embrace the belief that we all, every last stupid one of us, have individual merits that make us worth something, in some niche, somewhere, if we are willing to look for and accept it when we see it. But, many people get caught up in that eternal struggle to expand the boundaries of that "mine" and get away from their natural aptitudes.

Maybe. Haven't really thought too much about it.:whistling

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I've only ever posted any of my creative writing on two sites, and I still thought very long(and I mean months) before doing so.

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Penthouse forum is probably a very intimidating place .

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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t

I've only ever posted any of my creative writing on two sites, and I still thought very long(and I mean months) before doing so.

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Penthouse forum is probably a very intimidating place .

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And critics are a dime a dozen :P

and opinions are like...

is this thread done ?
all drama over ?