many downloads incomplete - astranews

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Originally Posted by zot

It would certainly be helpful if Astraweb at least gave a weekly update, and posted general advice on AW's "system" page. It should not be necessary for every single person to (separately) email support to get answers for a common problem.

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Which I have told them to do twice now, with no real response. Why more info is on a 3rd party (Newsbin) forum rather than their own is really stupid.

And probably yes, a Blocknew 'filler' would probably last longer with Astraweb than Supernews, but it all depends on what you are grabbing. I used up a significant chunk of a 100GB Blocknews 'block' in the last couple of weeks grabbing some things (successfully) I wanted, but it amounts to a hidden 'tax' on using Astraweb.

But I've run lots of studies on using anything other than Astraweb, and found every time that because of the fact I'm on the west coast of the US, and Astraweb is both very close to me both physically, hop wise, and delay wise, that all the other server plants in the US are clustered generally around Virginia/DC or on the east coast, they are all problematic and would require more additional hoop jumping for me to use on a continual basis.

So I'm stuck. Folks in Europe/Britain don't really understand the size of the US, it's the equivalent of someone in London told to use a server out of Moscow.

Giganews has a server in Los Angeles.

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Originally Posted by Beck38

that all the other server plants in the US are clustered generally around Virginia/DC or on the east coast, they are all problematic and would require more additional hoop jumping for me to use on a continual basis.

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I'm surprised that doesn't effect your posting here.

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Theres no way around that, unless you're using a dutch provider.

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since when astraweb has gone dutch ? :D
they dont have dmca problems. they have technical problems lol

They're starting to get some, but not as many.

id like to see examples =)
so far everything i encountered that is DMCed on giganews\supernews (HBO, console games) is available on AW
Except for the stuff posted during this gap due to technical failure or whatever.

Thats part of the problem, since Astraweb has to many problems its hard to know which is due to which.

and here i thought i would get something..*sigh*

So..as i suspected its pure speculation

anyways, its not a problem at all.

Its relatively easy to distinguish dmca-ed material from simple incompletes.
Consistency matters, yes. the way dmca is done.

Don't worry, I'm tested a bit with astra, giga, and an NL block account. Tested a popular nzb with over 1k grabs of a recent movie, both astra and giganews are missing parts, all near the end of the RARs. All parts available on an NL server. So while I don't have astraweb on record admitting to a DMCA takedown, the evidence is pretty suggestive.

So..when i asked you to give me examples. you said it would be problematic...

now you claim you tested this "popular" nzb. maybe you should get your story straight first?

is it really so hard to give me a link to this 'popular nzb"? =)
its like they say seeing is believing, you know.

whats with the people these days i wonder..

What I meant by problematic is that with the quality of astraweb's feed so bad right now, it's a bit hard to distinguish between a DMCA takedown and just the feed quality at times. Not impossible. But if I were to claim that this NZB was DMCA'ed by Astraweb, you could easily say that its just incomplete because Astraweb's feed quality is so degraded.


Attachment 80781

Attachment 80782

Doesn't fit any pattern of DMCA, it's random pieces.

On Astraweb:

.r36 - missing 52 and 58
.r44 - missing 32,46,60,64
.r45 - missing 32,65
.r46 - missing 27,41,60
.r47 - missing 47,49.
.r48 - missing 40

On Giganews it depends on the server. A few articles are consistently missing on the L.A. server:

.r04 - missing 17
.r17 - missing 59
.r35 - missing 17
.r39 - missing 30
.r41 - missing 27
.r46 - missing 23
.r49 - missing 1
sample - missing 19

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But if I were to claim that this NZB was DMCA'ed by Astraweb

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It is clearly not DMCAed/
I dunno where did u get the idea that this particular upload was DMCed.

Not even close. Nothing fits
And here i thought you knew as you claimed, the difference, between DMCAed articles and just incompletes.

just some random , small completion issue quite possibly caused during the upload process or later.

What port, since that seems to make a difference with AW.

Also, post an nzb thats clearly DMCA'ed so we can all look.

here is one of the HBO tv series episodes that was DMCAed on giganews\supernews(they dmca HBO series, console games on a regular basis)

and here is the picture that shows the pattern

1-2 blocks from every file are removed.(worst case- everything is removed, but i saw just several of the kind)

if posters make 10% par2 then in most cases its not a problem. if its only 5% par2then not everything can be repaired.

Cute... but more pars does defeat it. I wonder if they 'ramp up' the deletions if they see that it does have more pars...

Meanwhile, still no improvement, Monday it will be one month since their 'official' announcement on their site of problems.

For whatever reason, in my testing, the absolute worst part of their plant is centered around 30Mar11, absolutely dreadful.

I though I could see things were actually getting worse a couple days ago, but it was well within the 'wobble' factor of my ISP connection and the error rate came back to within were it was weeks ago.

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I wonder if they 'ramp up' the deletions if they see that it does have more pars...

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they wont lift a finger unless they get specific details of the upload that needs to be removed in a dmca take down request

Those only 1-2 blocks removed- you might consider them as a sign of dmca mafia's watchdogs stupidity and lack of knowledge about how usenet works. or they are just lazy. =====>

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Message-IDs for all articles the DMCA Notice is requesting Giganews take down.

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unless there is an easy way to show all message-ID of all articles at once.. i dunno about that.

When I tested on supernews, I didn't get the same result as you did:

Attachment 80851



Using Astraweb:

Attachment 80852

through away whatever you are using to check atricles availability =)

NZb download checker is the way to go.

You can try to actually download this nzb and you will see incompletes.

here is the same picture from supernews for this NZb
http://img235.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_443lo.gif (supernews eu)

here is Sabnzbd report
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85 articles were missing

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(supernews eu, not counting a bit of not downloaded(not needed) par2 articles)

astrawebs' stats
Files found: 51
Message-ID's required: 2894
Message-ID's found: 2894
Message-ID's missing from the NZB: 0 (0%)
The files were posted 268 day(s) ago.


Parts checked: 2894
Undownloadable parts: 0
All OK!


supenews tats

Files found: 51
Message-ID's required: 2894
Message-ID's found: 2894
Message-ID's missing from the NZB: 0 (0%)
The files were posted 268 day(s) ago.


Parts checked: 2894
Undownloadable parts: 86
2,97% of the data can't be downloaded!

A bit ago (last month) I brought up here:

http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/4...Posting-etc%29

that what was needed was a real, windows-based, multi-provider, nzb checker. Still searching (latest to go through the grind and fail miserably is "NZB Completion Checker"). You bring up the "NZB Download Checker" (I'll assume v2.0.391), yet another program that 'says' it runs on windows, but not on my machines (probably requires some add-on that I don't have and don't want cluttering up things).

So, so far, it doesn't exist. I guess that the relative high-completion rate, ever since the bumpiness of the 'retention wars' of late 2008, that it hasn't reared it's ugly head. Until now. A decent tool MAY have given some 'early warning' as to problems. We'll never know now, though.

Come Monday (the one month anniversary of Astraweb acknowledging the problems) I'm going to send a blistering message to this chumps. Then I'll probably join the horde of others that have jumped ship.

What version of windows are you running? Runs ok on Win7 x64.

Windows 7 has been BANNED from my network, for basically the same reasons that it has from the 4 largest corporate networks within 50 miles of me. I tolerate Vista (64 is on high probation, 32 runs just about perfectly after well-documented early years of ... c**p ) because I have to run it because of various s/w that won't run on anything else (including W7).

I hold out hope for W8. But I'm an eternal optimist. But if you've take a look at the 'Win8 Phones' just reaching the market right now, any optimism might be squashed before it takes hold (really BAD).

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windows-based, multi-provider

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i dont want windows-based nzb checking software.

id prefer something that could run on linux as well.=)