Why you all should all use SCENE ONLY trackers

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

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Originally Posted by Night0wl

I believe you have misunderstood what iNTERNAL means. and to top it off it's 1CD or probably more than 1CD, which is why it's internal. I don't really see them having a 36MB sample for a 700MB encode.

Oh yeah I know how to check a pre db as well as well as the 0-day sites. That is the only scene release, which isn't per the rules a scene release, at the time of your post.

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So you're saying scene INT releases aren't scene? Does p2p even have ruleset? Going by your logic most p2p releases should be the equivilant of scene INT.

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Originally Posted by Lucifer9999

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Originally Posted by Intr4ns1t

forgive me for saying so, but the whole premise of this thread seems like a rehash of a mac fanboy debate. Some people like scene rips, some don't. Having options is never a bad thing in a realm where quality doesn't always matter as much as some would like.

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finally a good sense post!!

@ilovenzb -> particular examples from a particular tracker is hardly a proof or a generalization... you'll never obtain an objective point of view in this rhythm..

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I guess you're right: (AO)

... however there is a tracker non-obtrusive amount of torrents (tC)

http://i.imgur.com/LhwTZ.png

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An INT scene release would not be accepted normally pre'd (unless the group purposely made it INT even if following the rules). The rip will not count towards scoring. Any other group can at any time pre an XviD following the scene ruleset. So in a way yes, a scene INT could be compared to P2P since it's not bound by scene encoding rules. The .nfo doesn't even state why they choose INT, so really no way to tell. That's not saying that probably every P2P rip won't be better than that 700ish MB scene INT.

TC is a movie tracker, not a general tracker. They also have strict rules regarding P2P XviD uploads, as they encourage x264 over XviD at all times. But I guess you knew that already, so why you used it as an example I don't know. On the other hand TC is pretty good for new P2P uploads, since they don't have as strict rules as some of the other movie trackers. That being said, I would 99% of the time choose one from the stricter trackers if given the choice.

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Originally Posted by Night0wl

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

< query > [ XviD ] The.Inbetweeners.The.Movie.2011.iNTERNAL.DVDRip.XviD-RAWNiTRO [ 49F in 735.9MB ]
< info > The.Inbetweeners.The.Movie.2011.iNTERNAL.DVDRip.XviD-RAWNiTRO [ Comedy ]

7th from the top on that list.

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I believe you have misunderstood what iNTERNAL means. and to top it off it's 1CD or probably more than 1CD, which is why it's internal. I don't really see them having a 36MB sample for a 700MB encode.

Oh yeah I know how to check a pre db as well as well as the 0-day sites. That is the only scene release, which isn't per the rules a scene release, at the time of your post.

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That particular release is iNT because the source is p2p. The DVDR was leaked onto some tracker, and simply they ripped and pre'd it, and rather than go just full blown "look what we got", they'd rather keep it hush hush... unfortunately that never works.

Scene>P2P. P2P will never be as organised, and as such, will always be inferior.

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Originally Posted by TONiC

Scene>P2P. P2P will never be as organised, and as such, will always be inferior.

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That's what the ruling class in Louis the XVl's France kept telling themselves too.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

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Originally Posted by TONiC

Scene>P2P. P2P will never be as organised, and as such, will always be inferior.

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That's what the ruling class in Louis the XVl's France kept telling themselves too.

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Anyone with have a brain would see how ridiculous sauce's comment was, but they're also the only ones to understand the parallel you are drawing (however poorly representative it is). So that leads me to the question, what was your goal? If it's to embarrass idiots under their radar, as I have interpreted, then thank you dearly. I may show you my chest yet.

Put it this way: take away P2P, and the scene will still exist. Take away the scene, and p2p dies. Simple.

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Originally Posted by TONiC

Put it this way: take away P2P, and the scene will still exist. Take away the scene, and p2p dies. Simple.

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Instead of typing out why your statement is not just absurd, but also demonstrates your utter confusion, I would like you to do the legwork. Explain how, if the scene stepped away completely, p2p would die (instead of thrive).

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

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Originally Posted by TONiC

Put it this way: take away P2P, and the scene will still exist. Take away the scene, and p2p dies. Simple.

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Instead of typing out why your statement is not just absurd, but also demonstrates your utter confusion, I would like you to do the legwork. Explain how, if the scene stepped away completely, p2p would die (instead of thrive).

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maybe he thinks that all the p2p groups source their BR-BD source from scene
and then do their own Kung-Fu on them
if the scene ceased to exist, the P2P would lose their valuable and consistent supply of Source
Because lets face it Scene is still much more organized and consistent in time and flow of releases

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

Anyone with have a brain would see how ridiculous sauce's comment was, but they're also the only ones to understand the parallel you are drawing (however poorly representative it is). So that leads me to the question, what was your goal?

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Other than finding new and ever lamer ways to amuse myself I don't think I have one.

I would have put "to generally confound and irritate" but that's merely a fortuitous byproduct and not really a goal.

No actually I lie ,what I really want is to be able to spout off names of various release groups with some authority in my quest to either join HDbits or God willing become part of the Scene.
I'd also like to be a ninja and own an iPad but that's more a dream than a goal obviously.

I'd also wouldn't mind some cake.

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

That's what the ruling class in Louis the XVl's France kept telling themselves too.

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Anyone with have a brain would see how ridiculous sauce's comment was, but they're also the only ones to understand the parallel you are drawing (however poorly representative it is). So that leads me to the question, what was your goal? If it's to embarrass idiots under their radar, as I have interpreted, then thank you dearly. I may show you my chest yet.

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guess we should wait for great revolution in filesharing and end of the scene's reign at last?:P

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Originally Posted by LazyGuy

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

Instead of typing out why your statement is not just absurd, but also demonstrates your utter confusion, I would like you to do the legwork. Explain how, if the scene stepped away completely, p2p would die (instead of thrive).

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maybe he thinks that all the p2p groups source their BR-BD source from scene
and then do their own Kung-Fu on them
if the scene ceased to exist, the P2P would lose their valuable and consistent supply of Source
Because lets face it Scene is still much more organized and consistent in time and flow of releases

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Not familiar with you, and don't know if you have the wherewithal to coherently pre mock a response. I just know that your structure didn't do you a favor.

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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

I would have put "to generally confound and irritate" but that's merely a fortuitous byproduct and not really a goal.

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When did you begin to emulate me, was it before I joined?

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

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Originally Posted by TONiC

Put it this way: take away P2P, and the scene will still exist. Take away the scene, and p2p dies. Simple.

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Instead of typing out why your statement is not just absurd, but also demonstrates your utter confusion, I would like you to do the legwork. Explain how, if the scene stepped away completely, p2p would die (instead of thrive).

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The Scene acts as the main resource for: early DVD/BDRiPs, early MP3 releases, TV caps in SD and HD, and cracked 0-day/apps, which then get leaked to P2P. Take away all that and you leave P2P with very little. Sites I know which would survive a Scene-outage are: TheBox.bz, UKNova, What.CD, Waffles.FM. Why? Because these sites have dedicated userbases substantial enough to supply their own content, capped TV and flac/mp3 rips respectively. P2P has only ever led the way in terms of content is in CiNE movie releases [CAM/TS/TC/WP/SCR/R5] which only lasted up until recently, of which, IMAGiNE was probably 90% responsible for, but with them lies the true downfall of p2p -> there's very little emphasis on security. Every other form of content on P2P is stolen from the scene. full stop.

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Originally Posted by TONiC

The Scene acts as the main resource for: early DVD/BDRiPs, early MP3 releases, TV caps in SD and HD, and cracked 0-day/apps, which then get leaked to P2P. Take away all that and you leave P2P with very little. Sites I know which would survive a Scene-outage are: TheBox.bz, UKNova, What.CD, Waffles.FM. Why? Because these sites have dedicated userbases substantial enough to supply their own content, capped TV and flac/mp3 rips respectively. P2P has only ever led the way in terms of content is in CiNE movie releases [CAM/TS/TC/WP/SCR/R5] which only lasted up until recently, of which, IMAGiNE was probably 90% responsible for, but with them lies the true downfall of p2p -> there's very little emphasis on security. Every other form of content on P2P is stolen from the scene. full stop.

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Besides failing to answer my question, I'll point out what you're missing. First and foremost that p2p means filesharing AND releases not done by the scene (you focus on the former as if the latter doesn't exists).
-The majority of P2P does not use scene sources for TV caps (if they do TV) or movies.
-P2P covers DVDs, Blurays, Web-DL, albums, etc., the absence of scene has no impact on any of this.
-Some p2p groups do early release, not like it really matters. The delay until actual release date doesn't kill it off completely, that's only death to a preteen.
-Scene "outage" would only severely affect scene only sites, such as ScT, SCC, and whatever the other ones are.

Rather, if you eliminate scene, p2p could and would fill any possible gaps left behind. This means they would thrive. My interaction with scene-related matter is very marginal, maybe 4 % at most, directly or indirectly. This doesn't mean I don't snatch anything, it just means that I've waited a little longer for better options. Sometimes, that means a day, sometimes a week, sometimes a month. No adverse effects.

P.S. Thanks for playing along and making it much easier for me to address your inaccuracies.

Find me one single P2P site which doesn't have a Scene release on it. I'm very willing to bet, you won't. Why? Because the scene supplies the majority of content people want, thus I dare that 99% of BT sites out there steal from The Scene. Yes P2P might pick up the slack if there were a scene outage, but how is any source meant to feal confident when groups like IMAGiNE were freely exchanging their own home IPs? Secondly on that point, sources for pre-retail DVD/BD/CD rips are a God send; if you are willing to maintain the attitude that waiting an extra 2 weeks for a DVDRiP on the retail date, then you might as well forget P2P/Scene altogether and just buy everything on retail date - this is piracy my friend, the sooner something leaks, the better for everybody. There are hardly any P2P caps of US TV shows. Why? Because The Scene has the majority of US TV covered. UK sites like TheBox/UKNova thrived because the UK Scene wasnt strong enough to cap everything that airs, but I don't know a single P2P group that caps US TV. If there are, it's WEB-DL stuff.

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Originally Posted by TONiC

Find me one single P2P site which doesn't have a Scene release on it. I'm very willing to bet, you won't. Why? Because the scene supplies the majority of content people want, thus I dare that 99% of BT sites out there steal from The Scene. Yes P2P might pick up the slack if there were a scene outage, but how is any source meant to feal confident when groups like IMAGiNE were freely exchanging their own home IPs?? Secondly on that point, sources for pre-retail DVD/BD/CD rips are a God send; if you are willing to maintain the attitude that waiting an extra 2 weeks for a DVDRiP on the retail date, then you might as well forget P2P/Scene altogether and just buy everything on retail date - this is piracy my friend, the sooner something leaks, the better for everybody.

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Sense,please make some.

Thanks in advance or in language you can perhaps better understand, Idol wishes to convey his gratitude pre-retail.Greetz to mjmacky and all other groups that aren't clinically brain-dead.

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I don't know a single P2P group that caps US TV o really?
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Originally Posted by IdolEyes787

Sense,please make some.

Thanks in advance or in language you can perhaps better understand, Idol wishes to convey his gratitude pre-retail.Greetz to mjmacky and all other groups that aren't clinically brain-dead.

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Not understanding a monkey is on par with not understanding a genuis. Tell me where your confusion lies...

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Originally Posted by johhny

I don't know a single P2P group that caps US TV o really?

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Yes, please name one...

TrollHD,CtrlHD,ALANiS etc

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Originally Posted by johhny

TrollHD,CtrlHD,ALANiS etc

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Now compare them to IMMERSE, DIMENSION, ORENJI... you see who rules who?

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Originally Posted by TONiC

There are hardly any P2P caps of US TV shows. Why? Because The Scene has the majority of US TV covered. UK sites like TheBox/UKNova thrived because the UK Scene wasnt strong enough to cap everything that airs, but I don't know a single P2P group that caps US TV. If there are, it's WEB-DL stuff.

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And you have completely undone your entire argument with your own words. The fact that you weren't able to see that is very amusing.

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Originally Posted by TONiC

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Originally Posted by johhny

TrollHD,CtrlHD,ALANiS etc

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Now compare them to IMMERSE, DIMENSION, ORENJI... you see who rules who?

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Since filesharing isn't a monarchy and p2p and scene don't have anything to do with each other, the answer is neither. I would pick up a CtrlHD release over any of those scenes any day of the week. No matter what it was, I would never grab an Immerse release ever again. In fact the only scene releases I had been watching was The Daily Show 720p, but since they're back on Hulu and all scene releases seem to be MIA for awhile now it's been exclusive streaming for months.

shout outs to -anon -iDoL -D4y$Parr0w -DaTurk and all my peeps keepin it real real

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Originally Posted by TONiC

Not understanding a monkey is on par with not understanding a genuis. Tell me where your confusion lies...

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I don't understand why the genius eats his own poop.

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Originally Posted by TONiC

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Originally Posted by johhny

TrollHD,CtrlHD,ALANiS etc

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Now compare them to IMMERSE, DIMENSION, ORENJI... you see who rules who?

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Them's fightin' words varmit .Let me gits my guns and let's settle this man to monkey.

Btw my favourite TV group is HBO although AMC is an up and comer.Never heard of any you mentioned .Must be European or something.:unsure:

Before P2P groups, there were Scene groups. So, obviously, the Scene can survive without P2P.

But P2P groups were only able to rise because the Scene groups weren't filling the demands of the public. So obviously the P2P groups can survive without the Scene because they're filling a need the Scene never filled.

They complement each other more than they compete with each other. Anyone who closes their mind to half the suppliers out there is needlessly and foolishly limiting their own choices.

Though they overlap more than they complement, therefore making coexistence many times a redundancy. It's true that either could exist on their own without the other, but nowhere near the point I was making (as I find that obvious). As far as competition goes, that's a contest created by the leechers or basically anyone with an opinion.

I wasn't replying to you but, sure, there is a greater-or-lesser amount of redundancy. But it's better to have an overlap of whatever size than a gap.

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Originally Posted by temisturk

I wasn't replying to you but, sure, there is a greater-or-lesser amount of redundancy. But it's better to have an overlap of whatever size than a gap.

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I wasn't replying to you either, hence the lack of a quote. I was speaking on the point you brought up though. The reason for pointing out a redundancy was to exemplify their coexistence's independence.

Also, it's been brought up many times before, but scene only gains its relevance from p2p activity.

It only gains its relevance to us through p2p activity but they get their kicks from beating each other to a release. So in that sense p2p is mostly irrelevant to most of them. [I say most because, by now, I'm sure there are some sceners who get at least some kick out of their anonymous fame amongst the googling public.]

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Originally Posted by temisturk

It only gains its relevance to us through p2p activity but they get their kicks from beating each other to a release. So in that sense p2p is mostly irrelevant to most of them. [I say most because, by now, I'm sure there are some sceners who get at least some kick out of their anonymous fame amongst the googling public.]

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The scene is about as public as p2p now with many insecurities from newcomers. You'll find some treasures on EFNet of all places. As I've said before CNX264 scene is also as public as Nicki Minaj's cleavage.

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Originally Posted by iLOVENZB

As I've said before CNX264 scene is also as public as Nicki Minaj's cleavage.

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Who's that?

Now compare them to IMMERSE, DIMENSION, ORENJI... you see who rules who?

Obviously is not SHiTMMERSE and i can't remember when i've download one of those releases

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you see who rules who?

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what? since when IMMERSE, DIMENSION, ORENJI capture 1080i? rofl

PS immerse is a disgrace i dunno who let these kids on "scene" and if you check the ammount of repacks\fixes for the fucked up sh`t scene groups release in a hurry you will be astonished

I can't believe I actually sat here and read through all that crap. Guess it's because I'm so stoned. I'd pretty much have to be to voluntarily sit and read through a bunch of scene/p2p arguments.

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Originally Posted by Funkin'

I can't believe I actually sat here and read through all that crap. Guess it's because I'm so stoned. I'd pretty much have to be to voluntarily sit and read through a bunch of scene/p2p arguments.

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Participate, these scene kids are like members of the church of Apple. They don't like it when you dis their beliefs.

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Originally Posted by mjmacky

these scene kids are like members of the church of Apple.

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I see that. It's a pretty bold statement that p2p would die without the scene.

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Originally Posted by temisturk

Before P2P groups, there were Scene groups. So, obviously, the Scene can survive without P2P.

But P2P groups were only able to rise because the Scene groups weren't filling the demands of the public. So obviously the P2P groups can survive without the Scene because they're filling a need the Scene never filled.

They complement each other more than they compete with each other. Anyone who closes their mind to half the suppliers out there is needlessly and foolishly limiting their own choices.

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Actually, P2P is just the sharing of files. This existed before scene.

Waiting times are useless.

The thing is, the admin of IPtorrents never put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to use their tracker. If you want only Scene releases, go to a scene-only tracker. If you go to a generalized tracker that prides itself in the quantity of it's torrents then you'll find quantity. I admit I find myself using IPT less and less since I first joined it, but due the vast database , IPT has some rare gems that cant be found anywhere else on the internet AND the vast userbase makes sure it remains seeded for a long long time.

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Originally Posted by Alien5

The scene are only in it for the money, p2p do it for lolz

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I would like to understand how scene group earn

Scene is either XViD 1CD or 2CD releases or the 1DVD BluRay , but seeders are more at 1/2 DVD 1/3 DVD x264 P2P rips.

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Originally Posted by Wolves

The thing is, the admin of IPtorrents never put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to use their tracker. If you want only Scene releases, go to a scene-only tracker. If you o to a generalized tracker that prides itself in the quantity of it's torrents then you'll find quantity. I admit I find myself using IPT less and less since I first joined it, but due the vast database , IPT has some rare gems that cant be found anywhere else on the internet AND the vast userbase makes sure it remains seeded for a long long time.

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Good post, lots of torrent packs and well seeded torrents from a long time ago,