damn it!! ppl dont read my first thread and it's start to get annoying!! :angry:
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damn it!! ppl dont read my first thread and it's start to get annoying!! :angry:
http://klboard.ath.cx/index.php?showtopic=85740&st=0
Very interesting point.Quote:
Originally posted by 4play@4 December 2003 - 06:22
so what happens when the riaa or the mpaa asks these people for your details. they will be obliged to give them your details since they do not wanna get in shit.
you are a paying customer and they will have all your detials no need to contact any isp's now is there.
good idea in theory but the fact you have to pay for the account makes it no longer anon.
"... Lawyers made us say that. In truth we keep NO records. NONE! AnonX
does NOT know what you are surfing, downloading, sharing, hacking, etc.
AnonX does NOT even keep track if you have ever logged into AnonX
servers. And of course, we do not keep your name or any personal info in
any form. If anyone requests records we would NOT be able to produce
them because we do NOT keep records, log, databases, etc..... ..."
I hope that it so - and 5 Dollar is quite cheap, I think.
the simpsons, you ripped it off of grandpa simpson in specificQuote:
Originally posted by IWishAnon2609@4 December 2003 - 22:03
If anyone can guess where I ripped that off from I'll give you,...... 2 Cents/Pence... whatever.
as to somthing more on topic, this sounds really good to me, but I do not know if i do enough file sharing for this to be worth it for me... is road runner good about protecting their clients from the riaa? or they turn them over easily?
I'll answer that question. Road Runner is owned by Time/Warner. Time Warner is a prominent client of RIAA. You connect the dots. Also, look at the list of subpoenas that have been issued by RIAA. Look at the userid's of some of the unfortunates that have been fingered. True, there are not as many from rr as there are from other ISP's. But, they do exist.
Sometime in the the past on this board, someone had put forth the hypothesis that rr didn't have to comply with requests from the RIAA because it was in their best interest to 'capture the market' by providing the impression that rr was safe while other ISP's were vulnerable. And since Time-Warner was such a major player in the business, they essentially established themselves as immune from enquiry by the RIAA (the implication being that the RIAA and Time Warner deliberately set it up that way). Whether this is true or not is really inconsequential. The bottom line is that for $5.95 monthly, you can have peace of mind. Is there anyone out there who wouldn't pay $5.95/mo for peace of mind? If you can't afford it, you have no business even being involved in any of this.
JB has indicated that he uses a pre-paid credit card for Paypal. Recognize that to do this correctly, EVERY step and every act must be anonymous. The card should be purchased with cash, the online account should use a fictitious name, the initial setup on the computer should be done in such a way that one's identity is concealed, and when possible, accounts should be established via telephone (but not your home phone please!). Why is this imortant? Because if something does go wrong, one doesn't want someone else to have the ability to trace everything back to you. If that were to happen then a subpoena could be on it's way to you.
There are no bandwidth limits or download/upload ratio. Just a customer to bandwidth allocation of 1.5Mbs. Each customer CAN exceede these limits. Most can not.
ADSL has limits of 256-280Kbs down / 128Kbs up. Just the physical limits of two copper wires. Cable is a little better because there is more bandwidth to work with.
Now to complicate things many ISP bandwidth manage customers by burst rates and caps limits. Both of these are tied to your usage and the usage of the collective pipe that the ISP uses to service your area. This makes things difficult at best to compare connection speed from one minute to the next. Unless you do your suring/p2p during of hours.
mmm after a more in-depth reading of the recent posts i did NOT use a pre-paid credit card.
i paid the service in my name with my own credit card
so.... :unsure: am i screwed?
anonx i thought you said the pay accounts are not linked to my user account on the server...right..??? :unsure:
dont do this to me i got a weak heart :lol:
woah i just had a da je vu!! it's like i thought of this question but forgot and now it resurfaces again :lol:
damn i lost it again..... <_<
so am i screwed? :lol:
oh yes it came back...how the heck am i to know such things as "pre-paid credits cards" ever existed? :lol: :lol: :lol:
LOL, I didn't know either. Can you really get a credit card without giving out your personal info? (and I mean in a legal way)
If you can, I am gonna do this, but if not, I will still get the service thorough paypal. I still belive adding that extra step of protection is what is gonna save you. They can still get you, but unless you make yourself really wanted, they will most likely go the easier route.
Hell, even if you can pay annonymously, they can still get you if they really want to.
TD
But, the only way I can see them getting to you is through AnonX (there may be other ways, but thats over my head), and if AnonX really don't keep ANY logs how could they get you. Any say, hypothetically they did keep logs (not saying you do AnonX, I believe you), then they would have logged your IP address. Your paypal account would probably make it alittle easier to get you, but your IP would also be enough, so if they log then I don't think it would make much difference, and if they don't log, yipee. That is unless you have one of those rare cool ISPs that will fight and do their best to refuse your information being given out... but then maybe paypal wouldn't divulge your info either??
in which case you wouldnt need this proxy ;)Quote:
That is unless you have one of those rare cool ISPs that will fight and do their best to refuse your information being given out.
unfortunately I think mine would give it out in a heartbeat.
James you are not screwed. Do worry. B) There is a seperate independent ( ;) )billing company from the proxy services that handles the accounts. AnonX has NO records of who you really are. In fact there are no records at all. That is the beauty of the system. We can not give out records that we don't have.
The idependent does not keep the records either just a PayPal subscription ID attached to a user name password. Nothing more.
The anonymous credit card is just for extra peace of mind. It is not necessary. I recomended to people who do not have credit cards, but are interested in the service
:)
ok, I am sold.
How do you go about getting a "Pre paid Credit card"? Where?
I have a credit card now, but would prefer to use a pre paid one for safety.
Thanks in advance.
Search Net. You will have to find them in your ares. They are sold at onvience store of all places
Here is one that some of our customers have used and recommend to us.
http://www.privacash.com/about_us.html
I have never used this company, but what a great product.
I've learned a little more about this since my last posting. Most pre-paid credit cards are Master Cards. For one reason or another, Master Cards are not as readily accepted as Visa cards. So, try to get a Visa Card. A lot of banks will issue pre-paid credit cards. They are often called 'gift credit cards' and that is precisely the posture you should take when you go to buy one. Pay cash. If they ask for the name of the recipient of the card, make something up. It doesn't matter.
As for Pay Pal, I e-mailed them and discovered that they will open an account over the phone. So, once you have your credit card, you can open an account. Use a pay phone.
One more thing. You will need an e-mail address. If you can't come up with an anonymous e-mail address, just open one up through msn.com. This address is only to receive communications from the players involved.
The ONLY non-anonymous and tricky part to all of this is the setting up of the account on ANONX. They will be able to pick up your IP when you set up.........
unless you go the final step and set up your account on a lap top in a wireless venue like a coffee shop that has a server.
I can't think of anything else. If anyone out there can think of any additions to this or can show me the error of my ways, please do. I like to keep things tidy and no one else's business but my own.
wow even James Bond can't track you now :lol:
well maybe with his kick-ass car but i dunno ;)
This part doesn't really matter. Each time you log in your ip address is gonna be seen, so covering your tracks for the initial signup won't really help.Quote:
Originally posted by Bobohiotk@9 December 2003 - 04:27
The ONLY non-anonymous and tricky part to all of this is the setting up of the account on ANONX. They will be able to pick up your IP when you set up.........
unless you go the final step and set up your account on a lap top in a wireless venue like a coffee shop that has a server.
This is where you just have to trust that anonx does and will continue to do what they say. But hey, it's a lot better then nothing at all.
TD
Bobohiotk,
Great info about the bank cards.
tracydani is correct you have to trust AnonX everytime you log onto our Servers.
tracydanai,
Totally agree. As you said, it's a lot better than nothing at all.
My issues...
IRC - Can't Upload.
EMule - Low ID, Not Suprised.
BT - Shadows Client Is Always In Yellow Status.
SoulSeek - 50/50 Lots Of Errors Trying to View And Download.
News Groups - Can't Do Anything Due To Lack Of Authentication, I Expected That.
As Mentioned I Am behind A Router.
While Testing With JBR, Also On A Router,
We Could Not Transfer Anything Between Each Other.
Have NO Icons In Tray.
Aside From That I Like The Service...
I was getting all yellows too. But sometime yesterday, one went to green and has been that way since.Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY@10 December 2003 - 14:34
BT - Shadows Client Is Always In Yellow Status.
Have NO Icons In Tray.
I also have no icon in the task bar. Another thing, do you know what it is in the task manager? I would like to use that as a quick reference for checking if it is still on or not.
TD
It does not show in the Task Manager that I know since it is merely a connection. You coulld leave the AnonX.pbk open and keep an eye on that I suppose.Quote:
Originally posted by tracydani@10 December 2003 - 06:11
I also have no icon in the task bar. Another thing, do you know what it is in the task manager? I would like to use that as a quick reference for checking if it is still on or not.
actually u dont need the pbk file at all. all you need is the server address
simply create a vpn in network and dialup
simple as hell to do... <_<
then you have the option to "place icon on taskbar on connection" <_<
James is right . It is easy if you have ever created a VPN before. I am righting up some VPN howtos with screen shots for 98/ME/2000/XP. When you use a dialing directory Microsoft does not give the pbk a GUID therefore you do not get the little link computers in the task bar. If you create a new VPN you will get the little computers.
Ok well lets bring that up to date...Quote:
Originally posted by REALITY@10 December 2003 - 04:34
My issues...
IRC - Can't Upload.
EMule - Low ID, Not Suprised.
BT - Shadows Client Is Always In Yellow Status.
SoulSeek - 50/50 Lots Of Errors Trying to View And Download.
News Groups - Can't Do Anything Due To Lack Of Authentication, I Expected That.
IRC - Still can't upload , this bothers me.
EMule - Who cares it still works and is generally slow anyway.
BT - Still yellow though who cares since I can downlaod at 100KB/s. Its clear I am losing sources and may be at 150KB/s on the same torrent, though a fair trade off.
SoulSeek - I still cannot connect to anyone who is behind a router as well, for now I just turn off AnonX when needed I guess.
News Groups - Again this is clear since I am using my ISP I cannot connect thorough AnonX.
As I have found all these appear to be related to being behind a router as AnonXO stated...
Though as to what changes I am yet unclear. I have tried to apply DMZ, generally a very bad idea, just to see if it helps, and it does not.Quote:
Your PC---NAT--Router===WWW===Router--NAT--JB PC
This could cause some problems, but can be corrected with some changes to the NAT.
Clearly most of the current problems, except for IRC, are connecting with others also behind routers
After looking at this I wonder if it can even be resolved...Code:My PC--Router--AnonX===WWW===Router--Other PC
Reality,
as discussed in the p.m. I will get back to asap on these problems. IRC should work regardless of router.
Does the router have a NAT? Do you have more than one computer connected behind the FW/router/nat?
this problem can be solved but i need some info
The router is a D-Link 614+.Quote:
Originally posted by AnonXO@11 December 2003 - 08:40
Reality,
as discussed in the p.m. I will get back to asap on these problems. IRC should work regardless of router.
Does the router have a NAT? Do you have more than one computer connected behind the FW/router/nat?
this problem can be solved but i need some info
I have 2 computers connected via wireless cards.
Also don't forget I can download on IRC, just not upload. I have adjusted all the settings in IRC to allow upload and without Annox all is fine, somehow the extra layer has caused me to have no upload...
Thanks Again.
Preliminary report back.
Everything works fine with IRCs from the office. Which has a NAT, FW, and Router.
That comment doesn't help you much.
1. On the Firewall do you have ports 1723 and protocal 47 (GRE) open in both directions?
2. Can you upload/download on other netoworks?
anonxo perhaps you can update ur website with a faq with which ports need opened forwarded in router/firewall for the major p2p programs so you can reduce tech support workload.
just an idea :lol:
Reality and I did tests on Soulseek, IRC, and bt and found we can't download/upload to each other at all if we are both on the proxy. At first I thought this is normal, since I can't download/upload to myself (we all have the same proxy ip). But then I simplified the question and thought to myself.... if computers in a lan can see other on a p2p program (same ip but different network address) then it should solve the program. But then we are both behind routers (same model)... ok i am officially confused now :lol:
maybe anonxo can answer this question :)
You are on the same WAN with ip addresses in the range 172.16.X.X This is a local IP address.
In many of the P2P apps there is a way to ignore local ips. You don't want that. You want to see local ips. That way you can see each other.
wow Reality you can dl on bt at 150kB/s while on anonx? what client u use?
i used nova and shadows with same 1:1 ratio result.. :(
usually i upload at 30kB/s and download at 20kB/s-30kB/s
but then i only have 1 torrent now :lol:
and yeah i always have the yellow light. but then you can "force" it to be green :-"
@anonxo: thx, this clears a lot up ;)
Quick Recap Reality and James Bond. Are you still have problems with IRC?
Lab testing show everything to work. I may need some more info from you two about your setup so that we can duplicate the problem.
so if i allow server/internet right to mirc on zonealarm wouldn't the traffic pass through?Quote:
Originally posted by AnonXO@11 December 2003 - 18:41
Preliminary report back.
Everything works fine with IRCs from the office. Which has a NAT, FW, and Router.
That comment doesn't help you much.
1. On the Firewall do you have ports 1723 and protocal 47 (GRE) open in both directions?
2. Can you upload/download on other netoworks?
i checked my za setting and there is such protocol as GRE 47 :blink: never heard of this protocol but I can configure it in my firewall.
my mirc setting is all default since i dont use it much so i am not familar with its setup.
also my router does not have any ports forwarded for mirc.
I guess that's why we can't see each other.
we are not properly set up...
For bittorrent I have allowed incoming TCP 6881-6890 (router) to my computer however i am still getting yellow light (firewalled status) in shadow's experiental client, also the download speed has yet to improve (30kB/s seems to be the max i get :( )
Tried all of the above referring to 47 and 1723 GRE and PPTP, even called tech support and made further adjusment, same problem, cannot upload on IRC, this ONLY happens once I log into the VPN. As a side note EMule only has a Low ID when logged into the VPN, when off it I get High ID right away. Its seems clear to me at this point this is an issue with the VPN server...Quote:
Originally posted by AnonXO@11 December 2003 - 14:48
Quick Recap Reality and James Bond. Are you still have problems with IRC?
Reality,
LowID on eMule is a false status report. We have talked to eDonkey about this serveral tiems. The proof is that you can still download from a eMule/eDonkey server/client quickly no matter what the status. Go to the eDoneky site and read there tech support info. They discuss this problem with with NATs. Which you are using with the AnonX Servers. You will get High IDs from eDonkey on curtain servers if they have properly configured their firewall. The point is AnonX works with eDoneky.....
James ,
1. Not sure about the mirc setting in ZoneAlarm, but it sounds good try it. GRE and ort 1723 must be open in both directions.
2. just for testing purposes turn off ZoneAlarm and try the IRC.
My firewall was on my cisco router. I will disable it and load zone alarm on a labtop to play with the settings. Which version of ZA or you using?
ok i'll give it a try ;)
I use za 5.5.530, always the latest version ;)
i am not worried about mirc at all since i am happy as long as i can download :lol:
about the bt speed I was able to reach 150kB/s without proxy, and with the same router/firewall setting and proxy on, i was barely able to get anything above 30kB/s... :(
any theories?
a movie about 700MB used to take me an hour and half now takes me 6-7 hours... :(
I guess you missed my point...
With Annox OFF
1. IRC - Can upload and download
2. BT - Green light, which means I can access ALL sources.
3. EMule - High ID
4. SoulSeek - Can access and view files of ALL users
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With Annox ON
1. IRC - CANNOT upload, can download (my main issue)
2. BT - Yellow light, indicating I CANNOT conect to all sources such as others behind a NAT/router. This could be what causes the speeds with Annox to be slower on BT since you have access to fewer sources. (as said a fair trade off)
3. Emule - Low ID (not that I care but it proves the same point, when using Emule if you have a router and do not set up port fowarding you WILL get a LOW ID, it appears as Anonx is acting as a NAT/router)
4. SoulSeek - Can access and view files from all users EXCEPT for those behind a NAT/router.
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My observations are very clear here since when using the following applications
WITHOUT AnonX and WITH my router I had similar problems
1. IRC - Could not download from others behind NAT/routers and COULD NOT upload (sound familiar). Problem was solved after I opened the needed ports.
2. BT - Light was always yellow (sound familiar) untill I opened the ports on my router.
3. EMule - Low ID (sound familiar again). Problem was fixed when I opened the ports needed.
4. SoulSeek - Could access and view files from all users except those behind a NAT/router (sound familiar yet again). Again problem was solved after I opened the appropriate ports.
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Concusion
It appears as if AnonX is acting as a NAT/router to ALL of these applications somehow. The problem is I do NOT know how to fix this as I would with my router by fowarding ports. Again I have made sure that the needed VPN ports are open, 47 and 1723 and have even contacted technical support at D-Link. I have even tried enabling DMZ (which should open everthing exposing the computer as if the router is NOT even there) on my router which also did NOT solve ANY of the above problems.
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As I stated once I look at the at the diagram I am NOT even sure if this can be resolved
^^^^ This is where the issue appears ^^^^Code:My PC--Router--AnonX===WWW===Router--Other PC
Perhaps you can PM me with a IRC channel to run some test on since that is a main issue as all the others can be gone around for the most part.
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More Info
OS - Win2KPro
Router - D-Link, Model DI-614+ (dual antenna)
Have you got the latest firmware for your router?
wow Reality, very nicely laid out
same concerns for me :lol:
good job Reality ;)