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yeah theres 2...is there like a place behind the mobo where he runs them to the other side of the HDD? Like does the place where the mobo screws in have a thing behind it for wires to run through? if you know what i mean...haha
i see both the HDs now, and normally they dont produce to much heat, well mine dont anyway. and yeah, all the wires are wired uner the mobo tray.
Yep i would do that, but like said i need the cable to be invisible not just out of the way... say anyone have some invisible paint??
haha...my case aint got a mobo tray...oh well..rounded cables are krunk too
Well my acrylic has nothing but some screws that go out to the mobo... and you can see that...
Hey clocker an idea what would it take to make some ribbon wires that ran inside some plexi walls??? as small as mobo circutry?? what ya think??? I am think that i could have some ribbon small as a dot kinda circuts running power everywhere?!?!? what ya thyink
(this post is not just for clocker i just also want his opinion included...)
:P
Hmm, Cases with wiring in the walls.... Do you just have to plug things into the walls of the case, and plug things in at the other end, interesting.......Quote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@26 January 2004 - 23:05
Well my acrylic has nothing but some screws that go out to the mobo... and you can see that...
Hey clocker an idea what would it take to make some ribbon wires that ran inside some plexi walls??? as small as mobo circutry?? what ya think??? I am think that i could have some ribbon small as a dot kinda circuts running power everywhere?!?!? what ya thyink
(this post is not just for clocker i just also want his opinion included...)
:P
Also Big dawg, he has room between his right hand panel and behind his motherboard plate to run all the wires back there.
There is a pick of the back side showing the running wires, but I cant remember what page of what topic it was on.
That would be really cool if you could overcome two problems...Quote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@26 January 2004 - 20:05
Hey clocker an idea what would it take to make some ribbon wires that ran inside some plexi walls??? as small as mobo circutry?? what ya think??? I am think that i could have some ribbon small as a dot kinda circuts running power everywhere?!?!? what ya thyink
1) It would be tough to change things around much so you'd have to be very certain of your current configuration and anticipate future additions/upgrades.
2) You would have to use much better connectors than Molex's...double the number of connections, double the current loss through the connectors.
I hate Molex's anyway...
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I've got a can of that, it's yours for $50. Might have a bit of trouble finding it though, I accidentally spilled some down the outside of the can. :lol:
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I posted something similar in another thread, although I didn't take it quite as far as circuitry actually embedded in plexi. I think normal UltraATA connectors might be a little too much for that sort of thing, but SATA might be feasible. I suppose the solution would be to have two thin layers. The inner layer could be made in sections of different sizes. Rearranging the order of the sections would allow you to move the connectors up and down to match your motherboard.
*semi-bump*
Good news boys and girls!
I figured out a way to use two of my uberMuffins after all.
It's been driving me absolutely nuts that I was unable to use these guys, as far as fans go these are the nicest I've ever used, and I've been eying them speculatively for the past two days ( while I've been halfheartedly rewiring my main PSU).
While straightening my workspace up I grabbed the panel that the fans came mounted upon and hark! I had a epiphany ( or perhaps just a senior moment, hard to tell the difference anymore...). A quick look with a ruler and yes, the measurements would work. Or at least it looked close enough to try.
If you'll refer back ( sorry to put you through this) to the original pic I posted showing the fan panel, you'll see that they were arranged in two rows of three with an open space down the middle. Oddly, this open area was not centered...one side was 3/4" wider than the other. The wide side is 7".
Which just so happens to be the width of the rails where our PSUs rest.
And my PSU isn't up there anymore.
Hmmm.....
The fans were 12" apart (outside edge to outside edge) which looked like it would work, so out came the ole jig saw.
Being stainless steel and having a flange on each side, the panel was not happy to be cut, but sheer perserverance and two blades finally convinced it to part.
A test fit proved me correct, dropped in like it was made for it, so I went ahead and mounted my speed controller ( in real life, a wall switch light dimmer from Home Depot) wired it up ( almost all the way) and laid it on the rails.
Much better, but still a bit of vibration or thrumming noise.
Another AHA! moment lead me in the garage, where a little digging around yielded up a 3" length of closed cell foam tubing, usually employed as insulation around exposed water pipes. This has a slit down one side ( so you can slip it over a pipe) and thus clipped right over my two rails. Then I layed the panel on top of this and YES!
No noise except the beautiful sound of vast amounts of whooshing air.
All of my other fans are running on 5v so the loudest fan in the whole case is the stock Zalman HS fan as SpeedFan cycles it up and down.
I can live with this.
Currently Folding at 30-31c ( temp keeps bouncing between the two so it must be close to 30.9 or so) after 1 hour.
All that is left is to cut a hole for the pwer plug recepticle ( I didn't want to go to the trouble before I knew this might work) and finish up the PSU.
I had tried to cut/splice the PSU wires, pretty much knowing all along that I was doing a half-assed job, finally decided to do it the right way and unsolder the wires from the circuit board and then cut them to the proper length and resolder them back in.
It's actually easier than I thought it would be plus it gave me the opportunity to completely eliminate the two extraneous Intel-only cables ( you AMD guys know the ones I'm talking about...I'll bet yours are wrapped up on top of your PSU, aren't they?).
My motherboard power connector ( the big 21 wire beast) is all done, but I have lots of test fitting to get all my power leads to the drives, etc. just right.
Right now I'm just luxuriating in my apparent success ( knock on PCB) and may take the rest of the evening off.
But I'll take some pics first so you won't have read all this for nothing....
So, pics in an hour or so.
Your temps are GREAT man! but your W/C was the same temp but SILENT! lol Waiting for the pix now!
No dawg, the WC setup was hardly silent.Quote:
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@27 January 2004 - 16:31
Your temps are GREAT man! but your W/C was the same temp but SILENT! lol Waiting for the pix now!
I kept adding more fans to try and better the performance, which was far more dependent on the room ambient than air only cooling seems to be.
Plus, it was clunky...I ended up with the radiator, pump and fill tubes all on the outside of the case...Sprocket was beginning to look as if she had been assimilated ( "ass-laminated"?) by the Borg.
Pics will come...I just want to let her run for a while longer before I disconnect everything and move it for photos.
No bathroom beauty shots this time.
Sorry.
Pic, as promised.
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clocker-mviewC.JPG
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clocker-mviewB.JPG
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clocker-mViewA.JPG
I haven't decided how to fasten the panel in...right now it's just resting on the foam.
I'm sorta thinking of just using Goop to glue it to the two foam tubes and letting it go at that. They seem fairly snug and should hold the panel in place, plus it would make removal/installation a snap. Literally. :P
The gluwe should work...
I actually have started using a Hot Glue gun to make a bead around my fans that holds and keeps away vibration...
Very nice so far (Also Clocker nice moniter!!! I had to spray paint mine :rolleyes: )
The wires are pretty damn close to perfect keep this up and it will be fine!
My project: To make a set of Circut Sized wires that are on a micron scale... Found a friend here that does that kinda stuff... Also i plan to replace the molex connecter with a ribbon cable connection...much like those found in playstation 2s... (basicly invisible) i think my findings may be of some use to you... My goal is something that looks like a IDE cable that holds ALL wires in the case... It will travel in the case... and look really awsome... if i can get it in my plexy then it should like the case had integrated circuts in it!!!
I think you are getting very close... still think you should just have a duct that pumps air in from outside... :lol:
Clocker you live in denver right?? It is kindsa colder there most of the year... spring is stil spring though <_< :lol:
Hmm... Very nice keep this up and i may not be able to compete...
I like that idea Al.Quote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@27 January 2004 - 18:18
My project: To make a set of Circut Sized wires that are on a micron scale... Found a friend here that does that kinda stuff... Also i plan to replace the molex connecter with a ribbon cable connection...much like those found in playstation 2s... (basicly invisible) i think my findings may be of some use to you... My goal is something that looks like a IDE cable that holds ALL wires in the case... It will travel in the case... and look really awsome... if i can get it in my plexy then it should like the case had integrated circuts in it!!!
Would look especially nifty in your plexi case.
I am starting to rethink my wiring...now that I'm over halfway finished with the PSU...
I've seen a couple of rigs where the PSU is external to the case.
Just plugs into the back like all the rest of the cables.
Very cool.
Hrmhmmmhrm *scraches head* intresting i would however like the PSu to be inside the case..... :blink:Quote:
Just plugs into the back like all the rest of the cables.
Very cool.
Thinking so too.. and after that i could say that my comp was decent enough for pictures... well what the hell am i waiting for :lol: !Quote:
Would look especially nifty in your plexi case.
I think we are going to need to have a photoshot in a while!!!
hey scimanal do you have a webcam or digital camera? could you take some pictures of that special cooling thing you made, id like to see it. you have such good temps, i want one lol. Can you get us some pictures?
I second that.
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hey scimanal do you have a webcam or digital camera? could you take some pictures of that special cooling thing you made, id like to see it. you have such good temps, i want one lol. Can you get us some pictures?
No no webcam, but i will be going on up to the university and be taking some very extremly high qaulity pics?? what say you to that??? this is something that will be delaid at least to this weekend though... I have to take finals this week, but this friday night i could take some pics and have them up by saturday...Quote:
I second that.
I really need to clean my case up... it is very m,essy... and you can see it all!!! LOL anyways yes some pics will come soon... very busy these days... <_<
Regarding the Heatpipe, i will take pics of it in my case, but i will not take it out... My version right now that i am using is very crude... the version you guys would make is very clean and nice... but yes i will get a clear shot or two or three of it... i hope to please!!
With the temps you are posting, crude doesn't matter.
I'm looking forward to the pics.
Clocker-
Your pipe-wrap mounting method is ingenious-
I have a question:
It would appear the foam also would have the effect of limiting/redirecting airflow in that area of your case, due to what would appear to be close proximity to the sides of your box, creating a seal of sorts.
Is this an intentional condition/benefit?
Great work, clocker.
Watch out for your fingers. You need some fan guards.
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clocker-mviewC.JPG
J2,
As yet I have no idea what the sealing effect/benefit may be as I'm unable to mount the sidepanel yet.
Time will tell. I can't imagine any benefit/ disadvantage to this arrangement, but, if anything, I have learned that only a real world test will tell.
VB,
I would love to have finger guard, these fans are real VegO-Matics, the problem is that the mounting panel has welded in studs to mount the fans and they aren't long enough to include the guards. If this arrangement stays ( and, given my past history, that is doubtful :P ) I'll figure something out.
I've already realized that I need to mount a on/off switch for the Muffins somewhere convenient/external. Last night when I shut down the PC I completely forgot about them and they ran all night.
Shows how quiet they are, which is a good thing.
I kinda like the idea of the fans running after shuttdown to help prevent heatsoak...I've seen a device which times the fans to run after shuttdown, but it is for 12v units.
Another thing to figure out.
This is turning into a nightmare. I thought I'd be done by now. :o
LOLQuote:
This is turning into a nightmare. I thought I'd be done by now.
will you have some substancial progress by this weekedn?? i think with my photoshoot yours should be as welll...
a Showdown if you will.... :argue:
:lol:
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clocker-APS1.JPG
OK, a pic.
Things aren't working out quite the way I had hoped...I need to get some more material (Sintra, maybe?) and make a new panel for the roof fans as the front fan fouls the back of my drives a bit.
Also it turns out that there is room for two 120mm fans on the front casewall, and whaddya know?, I just so happen to have another one so in it goes.
Surprisingly, the front fans actually draw in quite a bit of air given that they really don't have a good access to the outside. I'll just test the temps as it is ...I can always open up the front doorpanel with a grill or something.
Playing with the PSU was much easier than I had imagined...once I found the courage to begin it went relatively fast. Time will tell whether all this has been worth it or not, either way, I learned alot and I guess that's worth something.
clocker you are one hell of a classic B)
I'll take that as a compliment so thank you.
ive got two quick questions:
1) what is the hard drive attached too? i know it has the heatpipe cooler on it but how is it held up like that? ive never seen that in any case before.
2) how come you put the psu hanging from the cd drive bays? i thought you were going to put it on the case floor.
The HDD is bolted to the motherboard wall using some rubber isolators that came with the heatpipe cooler. It stands about 5/8" off the wall.
I was going to mount the PSU down on the floor, but it occurred to me that moving it up to the bay bottom would eliminate a lot of length in the cabling. My only concern is that it had to be flipped upside down again ( which is actually the stock position)and cooling it may be an issue. I have one 80mm fan blowing across the heatsinks and time will tell if that's good enough...
One word to describe: w0ot :w00t:
NJ man :)
It should be enough to cool the power supply. They can take a lot of heat before any problems result.Quote:
Originally posted by clocker@31 January 2004 - 00:36
The HDD is bolted to the motherboard wall using some rubber isolators that came with the heatpipe cooler. It stands about 5/8" off the wall.
I was going to mount the PSU down on the floor, but it occurred to me that moving it up to the bay bottom would eliminate a lot of length in the cabling. My only concern is that it had to be flipped upside down again ( which is actually the stock position)and cooling it may be an issue. I have one 80mm fan blowing across the heatsinks and time will tell if that's good enough...
Very true... I have a PSu in my bros comp that averages over 60c...
I have seen people with the power supply fan that wasn't working at all. And they didn't even have any case fans. :o I told one guy that he needs a new fan badly and I offered him one installed for $10.00 and he refused thinking it was too expensive. :lol:
LOL
Sounds like someone I know... he has a car with a f*cked battery but he refuses to buy a new one which costs nothing for the size of the vehicle. He calls out the repair men who give him a jump start. They've refused to get called out from him from what I hear haha
Any new pics Clocker? :D
I have to say i am actually finding your idea quite aww inspiring clocker, i am using quite a ew of your ideas ya know... I congradulate you on your progress! Although i must wonder what more you can do, other optimise it, what is left to paint in the "big picture" ??
Damn!Quote:
Originally posted by SciManAl@31 January 2004 - 10:25
I have to say i am actually finding your idea quite aww inspiring clocker, i am using quite a ew of your ideas ya know... I congradulate you on your progress! Although i must wonder what more you can do, other optimise it, what is left to paint in the "big picture" ??
A "database backup" just wiped out a huge post!
I refuse to retype that novel again.
Suffice to say something new has/is happening and maybe tomorrow I'll have the energy and the pics to repost again.
In the meanwhile here is a teaser shot...
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/clocker-newcase.JPG
Hey that's not your case nor your motherboard. :huh:
hehehehe, clocker you devil LOL :lol:
To put fans in, what exactly do you use to cut into the case with?
Also, other then clocker, how many fans in the case do you have? How many exhaust and how many are intake?
What an eye you have VB.Quote:
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@31 January 2004 - 19:46
Hey that's not your case nor your motherboard. :huh:
Actually that is my first case and my first mobo.
Early this morning, whilst quaffing my first caffeine fix and staring at Sprocket ( who has been renamed Muffin in honor of her new uberfans BTW), I realized that basically I hate this Xaser case and all my efforts have not made me happy...indeed, every time I mod that thing another glaring design/build/engineering fault jumps out at me.
I've been making noises about designing/building a custom case and this morning I decided to get serious about it.
So I started making a list of desirable features and started thinking about construction details/processes.
One thing I definately want is the kind of drive bay where the unit screws in instead of the quick release/rail method of the TT. I've long wanted to stealth my drives, but the Xaser doesn't allow one to move the drive back at all, so I couldn't.
I remembered that my first case had this feature so I dug it out of the closet and started to measure and study the bay design.
It's important to know that I am a total slob and especially when I have been binge modding, crap ends up strewn all over hell and gone.
So here I am kneeling in a pile of parts with this case and hark! serendipity strikes, and a put a fanpanel up to the case and whaddya know...almost fits.
It was all downhill from there.
Over on the OCs forum there has been a continuing thread concerning the amazing results folks have been getting by ducting in frigid winter air. One guy in Minnesota ( I think) has been posting screenshots of single digit CPU temps using this method.
I really haven't wanted to hack up my pristine Xaser window panel to try this out, but I have no such qualms about this black, generic cheapo case. This case in fact, cost less...with a PSU, than just a replacement Xaser sidepanel.
Plus, cheap as it was, the build quality and structural integrity far surpasses the Thermaltake.
It was looking better all the time.
Of course it did have some shortcomings, but hey, I know how to deal with that...so...I put in a roof blowhole, trimmed and wired and installed the twin Muffin fan panel ( this is where the cold air ducts will ultimately connect), cut out the front panel for a 120mm fan, modified the front bezel to open up access for the fan, installed/wired new switchgear and activity lights and started prepping my backup PSU to mount it.
I still have some detail stuff to finish, but by tomorrow night ( depending on how interesting I find the SuperBowl) I should be ready to transfer Muffin's guts out of the Xaser and into her new, temporary winter home.
There are a couple of questions that I hope that this exercise will answer.
Does a smaller case provide better airflow management (fewer fans, lower RPM= less noise)?
Will heat from the PSU affect the HDD which will be mounted above it?
How low can I get my temps with the outside duct?
We shall see.
First stage will be to get the new case all optimised and get some baseline data.
Then I can build the window fan panel and ductwork.
Apparently, I just don't know when to stop... :P