Girl Charged With Child Porn

Ah the joys of incitement...

The point I so poorly stated was based on nothing more than previous posts, and was intended as an ironic parody providing a comparison with the clearly draconian approach evidenced by this.....


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/05/gi...ith_child_porn/

The teenager has been charged with the possession and distribution of child pornography as well as the sexual abuse of children. ®



with this...


Perhaps they could be charged with 'incitement to child pornography', 'neglect' and 'child abuse'. :angry: :angry:

Ho Hum... ;)

sorry i havn't read the other pages but i am 15. Surely it is up to the girl is it not? Its her body her choice :smilie4: What did the people who recieved the pictures get?

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Originally posted by Marius24@28 April 2004 - 00:27
sorry i havn't read the other pages but i am 15. Surely it is up to the girl is it not? Its her body her choice :smilie4: What did the people who recieved the pictures get?

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As this is the World News forum, I am just going to let this incredibly soft lob to my forehand go. So never say I can't exhibit a little restraint. Even if it is with a little external assistance.
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(Had this forum been comprised of Americans, I would have said, "I'll that that hanging breaking ball go".)

As I posted before, she should definitely have been charged. Obscene material of a minor should always be taken to court and (as J'Pol said) it's for the courts to decide on not the police in such an important issue.

I just wish there was a possible charge of "15 yr old girls flashing their t*ts on the internet" rather than the choice of child pornography charges. A charge of indecency seems more appropriate here I think.

I'm not familiar enough with the legal system - if the police make charges when it isn't a civil matter can the prosecution then decide on alternative charges in court or are they the only ones debated?

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Originally posted by Mr JP Fugley@28 April 2004 - 00:30
Is it not the case that Draco suggested that any offence, not matter how minor should be treated in the same way as the most heinous crime ? In effect all crimes should be punished with equal severity once guilt had been established. The point being that all crime would be eradicated.

Perhaps I missed either his point or yours.

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So does that mean if I get a parking ticket I should go to the electric chair? And sisnce I'm going to be executed, I may as well murder my next door neigbour who plays shitty 70s disoc hits at three o'clock in the morning, the bastard.

:D

Clearly I am refering to the severity of the charges against the girl and using the word 'draconian' to highlight this. It is I think legitimate to use such a word where its accepted meaning indicates a punitive and overly harsh reaction to a phenomena ...A little poetic licence but the point is still the same...


However, if we are to be so literal fugeley, then am I also refering to a dragon or a stellar constellation? Still, the dragon reference, as a mythical creature with a tendency towards extreme behaviour would still ring true for my original point.


The use of language is in my experience subjective to both personal interpretation and accepted usage, therefore my use of the word is completely appropriate. :lol:

I am sure that when one uses a colloquial word such as 'shit', usually defined as meaning excreta, it is generally understood that the meaning is intended to refer to something that is bad. We are not in the habit of correcting people's use of the word in context. This is because it is understood that there are several layers of meaning to language, which even my children can appreciate. :lol:

No problem Mr F....

You are very gracious in your retraction. :)

However, appologies not required, a challenge to my interpretation of word usage is not unwelcome, it prevents me from becoming obtuse! :lol: :lol:

The syrup passing between you two would go very nicely on pancakes. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Alex H@28 April 2004 - 01:04
So does that mean if I get a parking ticket I should go to the electric chair?

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Not everyone, Alex.





Just you.

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Just kidding (Of course). :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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No problem Mr F....

You are very gracious in your retraction.&nbsp; :)

However, appologies not required, a challenge to my interpretation of word usage is not unwelcome, it prevents me from becoming obtuse&#33;&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

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or welcome even :P

i don&#39;t mind you interpreting the words, but torturing them is a bit much ;) [/b][/quote]
Awwww let me pleeeeeese&#33;&#33;&#33;

I sometimes think they deserve it for all the trouble they cause&#33; :lol:

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The syrup passing between you two would go very nicely on pancakes. :rolleyes:

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Get a room you 2&#33;

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Get a room you 2&#33;

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I seem to remember my dear Hobbes, that exactly the same was suggested to us the first time we had a little &#39;discussion&#39; lol.

Oh...what will people think? :ph34r:

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The syrup passing between you two would go very nicely on pancakes. :rolleyes:

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I resent that, but only a little; the implication is, um....let&#39;s see....funny?

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The syrup passing between you two would go very nicely on pancakes. :rolleyes:

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I resent that, but only a little; the implication is, um....let&#39;s see....funny?

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or perhaps not unfunny.

why is the rabbit suggesting we get a room ? me is confuzed now.

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All of us?&#33;&#33;???&#33;&#33;

Would that be a threesome or a foursome? :huh:

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The syrup passing between you two would go very nicely on pancakes. :rolleyes:

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I resent that, but only a little; the implication is, um....let&#39;s see....funny?

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or perhaps not unfunny.

why is the rabbit suggesting we get a room ? me is confuzed now.

does she think wee need a knap

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All of us?&#33;&#33;???&#33;&#33;

Would that be a threesome or a foursome? :huh: [/b][/quote]
fecketif ino

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The syrup passing between you two would go very nicely on pancakes. :rolleyes:

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I resent that, but only a little; the implication is, um....let&#39;s see....funny?

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why is the rabbit suggesting we get a room ? me is confuzed now.

does she think wee need a knap

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All of us?&#33;&#33;???&#33;&#33;

Would that be a threesome or a foursome? :huh:

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J&#39;POL, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN???

We&#39;ve been worried sick you weren&#39;t around&#33;

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D :P :P :)

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The syrup passing between you two would go very nicely on pancakes. :rolleyes:

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I resent that, but only a little; the implication is, um....let&#39;s see....funny?

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why is the rabbit suggesting we get a room ? me is confuzed now.

does she think wee need a knap

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All of us?&#33;&#33;???&#33;&#33;

Would that be a threesome or a foursome? :huh:

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J&#39;POL, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN???

We&#39;ve been worried sick you weren&#39;t around&#33;

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D :P :P :) [/b][/quote]
Bit of business on Betelgeuse old bean.

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Get a room you 2&#33;

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I seem to remember my dear Hobbes, that exactly the same was suggested to us the first time we had a little &#39;discussion&#39; lol.

Oh...what will people think? :ph34r: [/b][/quote]
Yes it was, I am both a rabbit and an elephant. Elephants never forget.

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Originally posted by sara5564@28 April 2004 - 10:57
I am sure that when one uses a colloquial word such as &#39;shit&#39;, usually defined as meaning excreta, it is generally understood that the meaning is intended to refer to something that is bad.

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Yes, although the term "shit" was originaly transport instructions.

Back when people moved manure around in ships (because good manure was worth paying for), they would often put it right down in the bottom of the hold. All the methane gas would collect, and when a sailor lit up for a smoke or carried a lantern downstairs it would ingite the methane and the ship would blow up (taking all the valuable manure with it).

Someone worked out that if you stored the manure up closer to the deck, the manure had better ventilation and wouldn&#39;t blow up. So it was labled Ship High In Transit shortened to SHIT.

Actually, shit derives from the Old English scite and the Middle Low German schite, which mean "dung." The word has been around since at least the 1300s.

Much like the vaunted acronym-origin of fuck, you can&#39;t believe everything that comes across your inbox.

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The irony is striking:

S.H.I.T. technology for the conveyance of scite/schite/manure/shit.

Sounds like one of the precursors of political correctness, to me. ;)

I&#39;ll bet with a little more digging ( :D ), even more interesting facts will come to light. :huh:

erm... I musta got lost :huh:

I thought we were talking about a 15 yr old girl taking indecent pics of herself and sending them out, and now it appears we are talking about fecies ?? :o

Meanwhile, the real criminals and dangerous deviants are getting away with it... :(

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Originally posted by barbarossa@29 April 2004 - 07:23
Meanwhile, the real criminals and dangerous deviants are getting away with it... :(

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Lots of stuff in the news last couple of days, big busts, etc.

Although the real bad guys make better targets, the girl's situation must be addressed, guys, one way or the other; just keep fingers crossed that the outcome is appropriate, yes? ;)

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Meanwhile, the real criminals and dangerous deviants are getting away with it...&nbsp; :(

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Lots of stuff in the news last couple of days, big busts, etc.

Although the real bad guys make better targets, the girl's situation must be addressed, guys, one way or the other; just keep fingers crossed that the outcome is appropriate, yes? ;) [/b][/quote]
J2

In full agreement there (although I am still in favour of the double clip around the ear and no pc till an adult penalty.)

I appreciate the correctness of due process I just have a reservation regarding whether a juggernaut is the appropriate vehicle in this case when a moped might do better for all concerned.

I have been going over this for 2 days myself. If I had a girlfriend under the age of 18, and took indecent pics of her, with her concent, and then sent them out, I would surely be guilty of child pornography. the point here is to me, its not different that the girl took the photos herself, she is doing the same thing with them.
one point that seems to get lost sometimes is this. Just because someone is charged with a certain crime, doesn&#39;t mean thats the charge they will face when they ultimately end up in court. although the child abuse charge seems rediculous, her actions met the criteria for the charge, even though its herself. I am almost sure that charge will be changed or dropped by the time she goes to trial, if she doesn&#39;t plead out first to something like indecent exposure or the like.

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Originally posted by Biggles@29 April 2004 - 07:42
...although I am still in favour of the double clip around the ear and no pc till an adult penalty.

I appreciate the correctness of due process I just have a reservation regarding whether a juggernaut is the appropriate vehicle in this case when a moped might do better for all concerned.

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The former in any case, agreed. ;)

One hopes the latter doesn&#39;t come to pass (I really don&#39;t think it will), but the possibility must be acknowledged, I suppose, given that we are, as regards the internet, still in the formative stages as to the user/legal interface.

Let&#39;s hope reality rears it&#39;s (in this case, at least) "beautiful" head, yes?

BTW-

To paraphrase Ian Anderson:

"Where was Biggles when I needed him last Saturday?" :lol:

Been waiting some time to get that one out there. :)

It&#39;s a difficult issue....does she have the right to give away photographs of her own body, of her own consent? She surely should not receive the same prison sentence as a child pornographer.....to lump her in with that class of people surely isnt morally right....so its a bit of a grey area TBH, up to the courts to decide.

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Originally posted by RPerry@29 April 2004 - 07:45
I have been going over this for 2 days myself. If I had a girlfriend under the age of 18, and took indecent pics of her, with her concent, and then sent them out, I would surely be guilty of child pornography. the point here is to me, its not different that the girl took the photos herself, she is doing the same thing with them.
one point that seems to get lost sometimes is this. Just because someone is charged with a certain crime, doesn&#39;t mean thats the charge they will face when they ultimately end up in court. although the child abuse charge seems rediculous, her actions met the criteria for the charge, even though its herself. I am almost sure that charge will be changed or dropped by the time she goes to trial, if she doesn&#39;t plead out first to something like indecent exposure or the like.

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Your appropriate concern is precisely why this case must play out.

Case law could/should be written here, and obviously, this is good and necessary; the known facts reveal extant law is not sufficient, and a "black hole" needs to be closed. ;)

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It&#39;s a difficult issue....does she have the right to give away photographs of her own body, of her own consent?

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according to the Law, no. She doesn&#39;t have that ability until she is 18 ;)

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BTW-

To paraphrase Ian Anderson:

"Where was Biggles when I needed him last Saturday?" :lol:

Been waiting some time to get that one out there. :)

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Ah a classic&#33; :lol:

I have the original vinyl, with St Cleves newspaper attached.

In this case Biggles had to take time off from saving the Empire from Johnny Foreigner last Saturday to taxi the kids hither and thither. :unsure:

I have the original vinyl, however with a late cover, sans the interleafing; the original cover was lost in an extremely unfortunate divorce/flooded cellar event. ;)

Salvaging the vinyl from the thoroughly soggy sleeving was conducted with vision obscured by an actual veil of tears.

One of the great sadnesses of my life. :(

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I have the original vinyl, however with a late cover, sans the interleafing; the original cover was lost in an extremely unfortunate divorce/flooded cellar event. ;)

Salvaging the vinyl from the thoroughly soggy sleeving was conducted with vision obscured by an actual veil of tears.

One of the great sadnesses of my life. :(

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I can sympathise - the treasures of ones youth have enormous sentimental value.

The circumstances sound painful too, a kind of aquatic version of rabbit boiling (close your ears Hobbes :blink: )

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The circumstances sound painful too, a kind of aquatic version of rabbit boiling (close your ears Hobbes&nbsp; :blink: )

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Painful like pins and needles; I was only able to recover about 250 albums out of about 3000; a friend who owned a record store and possessed of extraordinary ability helped me replace all of the missing sleeves, though many are 2nd or 3rd issue.

I wasn&#39;t about to complain in the face of such incredible grace. :)

The actual divorce, while troubling in all the common ways, was a blessing to me. ;)

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Originally posted by MagicNakor@29 April 2004 - 08:27
Actually, shit derives from the Old English scite and the Middle Low German schite, which mean "dung." The word has been around since at least the 1300s.

Much like the vaunted acronym-origin of fuck, you can&#39;t believe everything that comes across your inbox.

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My sources support your story:

Shit
Shit is a very old word, with an Old English root. *Scítan is the Old English word. It has cognates in most of the other Germanic languages and shares a common Germanic root with modern equivalents like the German scheissen.

*Scítan, however, doesn&#39;t appear in extant Old English texts and is only assumed to have existed in Old English. The verb to shit dates the Middle English period (c. 1308), and the noun form is from the 16th century. The interjection is of quite recent vintage, not found until the 1920s.

In 2002, an alleged acronymic origin for shit appeared on the Internet. According to this tale, the word is from an acronym for Ship High In Transit, referring to barges carrying manure. This is a complete fabrication and absurd on its face. All it takes to disprove it is to look up the word in any decent dictionary. Remember, anytime someone posits an acronymic word origin, chances are that it is utterly false.


I must admit to being fooled by the following one myself. I was kind of disappointed by the truth.

News
No, news is not an acronym for north, east, west, and south. In fact, there are no pre-20th century words that are derived as acronyms--acronyms are a distinctly 20th century phenomenon.

Rather, the word comes (quite obviously) from new--meaning something that has not existed before, something timely.

So where does the word etymology come from.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol:

Back to you Hobbes&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

ahh yes the oringn of SHIT somthing which has haunted for centuries.

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I seem to remember my dear Hobbes, that exactly the same was suggested to us the first time we had a little &#39;discussion&#39; lol.

Oh...what will people think? :ph34r:

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Yes it was, I am both a rabbit and an elephant. Elephants never forget.

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hephalumps never forget what ? :blink:[/b][/quote]
The origin of words, obviously. The first Hephalump was the honorable King Etymology.