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Errm, not to mess with anyone, but how many of those dead users have been using the stuff for decades?

I bet that graph counts eighty-year-old people who die of smoking.



I doubt many ex users have been taking it for very long for a sustained period.

It stands to reason that people who have used something for thousands of times daily run a larger risk of getting killed by it.

Compared to people who only take something at the occasional party before they grow out of it.

That graph tells me exactly nothing.

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Originally posted by SnnY@16 August 2004 - 13:20
Errm, not to mess with anyone, but how many of those dead users have been using the stuff for decades?

I bet that graph counts eighty-year-old people who die of smoking.



I doubt many ex users have been taking it for very long for a sustained period.

It stands to reason that people who have used something for thousands of times daily run a larger risk of getting killed by it.

Compared to people who only take something at the occasional party before they grow out of it.

That graph tells me exactly nothing.

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thats also what i was thinking but im too stupid to thin kof how to say it :confused:

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Originally posted by manker@16 August 2004 - 13:19

A 'bad trip' on extacy? now I know you're making it up :lol:

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:blink: Ok :rolleyes:

Well from where I'm sitting it looks like you're all supporting chemical drugs :frusty:

I really don't get it, I said drugs were bad, then I get told so is crossing the road :blink:

Ooer :blink:

Jonno B)

:blink: I also can't see the point of statistics.


People will take drugs or they won't. Their body their choice.

edit: I also can't speeell :lol:

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Originally posted by SnnY@16 August 2004 - 13:20
Errm, not to mess with anyone, but how many of those dead users have been using the stuff for decades?

I bet that graph counts eighty-year-old people who die of smoking.



I doubt many ex users have been taking it for very long for a sustained period.

It stands to reason that people who have used something for thousands of times daily run a larger risk of getting killed by it.

Compared to people who only take something at the occasional party before they grow out of it.

That graph tells me exactly nothing.

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I was gonna say that but thought I'd get jumped on :rolleyes:

This is true, most people die of smoking are quite old, how many 70 y/o's die of E's? :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by SnnY@16 August 2004 - 14:20
I doubt many ex users have been taking it for very long for a sustained period.

It stands to reason that people who have used something for thousands of times daily run a larger risk of getting killed by it.

Compared to people who only take something at the occasional party before they grow out of it.

That graph tells me exactly nothing.

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I think that's the point SnnY, Nicotine is addictive but as you've illustrated MDMA is not.

That's why people continue to smoke and why people can grow out of taking E. Nicotine is more dangerous than MDMA.

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I doubt many ex users have been taking it for very long for a sustained period.

It stands to reason that people who have used something for thousands of times daily run a larger risk of getting killed by it.

Compared to people who only take something at the occasional party before they grow out of it.

That graph tells me exactly nothing.

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I think that&#39;s the point SnnY, Nicotine is addictive but as you&#39;ve illustrated MDMA is not.

That&#39;s why people continue to smoke and why people can grow out of taking E. Nicotine is more dangerous than MDMA. [/b][/quote]
Since both fuck you up tho&#39;, neither should be legal then.

And another point is that a minor cold might just as well kill someone 80+ which makes smoking as a cause irrelevant in those cases.

how did the topic of steroids get to this ? :frusty:

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A &#39;bad trip&#39; on extacy? now I know you&#39;re making it up :lol:

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:blink: Ok :rolleyes:

Well from where I&#39;m sitting it looks like you&#39;re all supporting chemical drugs :frusty:

I really don&#39;t get it, I said drugs were bad, then I get told so is crossing the road :blink:

Ooer :blink:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
A trip implies a psychoactive drug. MDMA isn&#39;t psychoactive - it is impossible to have a bad trip by taking E.

I agree some drugs are bad, but MDMA isn&#39;t one of them unless combined with ignorance.

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Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 August 2004 - 15:27
how did the topic of steroids get to this ?&nbsp; :frusty:

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Jonno & Yogi.


Anyhow: a rush from a drug is just an abnormal brain-response because of a foreign substance. That fact that people keep taking it points to us as a race being self-destructive.

We really shouldn&#39;t debate whether one is more dangerous than the rest without focusing on the most important bit, which is that they are all dangerous.

Hey I made an example of one chemical to another, I thought my statement made sense :ghostface:

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 14:23
Well from where I&#39;m sitting it looks like you&#39;re all supporting chemical drugs :frusty:

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You say that like it makes us bad people. :angry:

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Originally posted by manker@16 August 2004 - 13:29

A trip implies a psychoactive drug. MDMA isn&#39;t psychoactive - it is impossible to have a bad trip by taking E.

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Bullshit, sorry I dissagree.

Jonno B)

you hijacked a thread

tut tut :nono:

ps. drugs are bad

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Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 August 2004 - 14:32
you hijacked a thread

tut tut :nono:

ps. drugs are bad

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That&#39;s a good thing really, what with this being another of Azed&#39;s fantasy threads... <_<

;) Maybe they need an operation :sneaky1:

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@16 August 2004 - 14:20
I doubt many ex users have been taking it for very long for a sustained period.

It stands to reason that people who have used something for thousands of times daily run a larger risk of getting killed by it.

Compared to people who only take something at the occasional party before they grow out of it.

That graph tells me exactly nothing.

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I think that&#39;s the point SnnY, Nicotine is addictive but as you&#39;ve illustrated MDMA is not.

That&#39;s why people continue to smoke and why people can grow out of taking E. Nicotine is more dangerous than MDMA.

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Since both fuck you up tho&#39;, neither should be legal then.

And another point is that a minor cold might just as well kill someone 80+ which makes smoking as a cause irrelevant in those cases. [/b][/quote]
Well, any substance can be abused and will fuck you up eventually, it&#39;s the severity and the likelyhood of the fucking up thats important.

The point the graph was making is that nicotine is more dangerous than Extacy, fair enough I say. Wrt your second point, you&#39;re right and I&#39;d hope the imformation compilers would have taken that into account.

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A trip implies a psychoactive drug. MDMA isn&#39;t psychoactive - it is impossible to have a bad trip by taking E.

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Bullshit, sorry I dissagree.

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
Any particular reason for the disagreement?

Or did you just throw that out there at random :)

Just random :lol: :lol:

Jonno B)

I had a debate like this with ck-uk the other day :D

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Originally posted by gemby&#33;@16 August 2004 - 15:32
you hijacked a thread

tut tut :nono:

ps. drugs are bad

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M&#39;kay


@danb: but with more commas and mates, no doubt.

Without a doubt ,,,SnnY..mate

Ecstacy stopped football hooliganism. :01: (Or at least severely reduced it...) :01:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sarky bastards :lol:

Jonno B)

@Cheese........ :blink: You must be watching different football then, I would think it&#39;s more to do with gate stops etc, :blink:
Oh well, I guess the fights in the streets or down Millwall lane don&#39;t appear on tv so they don&#39;t happen :rolleyes:

So different to how it was though Jonno cos all the big &#39;firms&#39; got into Ecstasy and the Summer of Love instead :P

to be a pilot u dont need to go to university :01:

i just found out :01:

now thats going to be my secondary job :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 14:40
Just random :lol: :lol:

Jonno B)

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Actually, Jonno, you were right to disagree.

I meant psychedelic not psychoactive. Of course MDMA is psychoactive cos I&#39;ve just been informed by a co-worker that psychoactive just means that it alters your mood..

Really glad no-one picked me up on that :">

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Just random :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

Jonno B)

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Actually, Jonno, you were right to disagree.

I meant psychedelic not psychoactive. Of course MDMA is psychoactive cos I&#39;ve just been informed by a co-worker that psychoactive just means that it alters your mood..

Really glad no-one picked me up on that :"> [/b][/quote]
I checked it on a dictionary site but decided I would leave you be after Fridays night drunken pick up attempt :lol:

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Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 14:46
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sarky bastards :lol:

Jonno B)

@Cheese........ :blink: You must be watching different football then, I would think it&#39;s more to do with gate stops etc, :blink:
Oh well, I guess the fights in the streets or down Millwall lane don&#39;t appear on tv so they don&#39;t happen :rolleyes:

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Nope it was ecstacy.

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Originally posted by manker@16 August 2004 - 13:50

Really glad no-one picked me up on that :">

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I did :rolleyes: :lol:

I said I&#39;ve seen people trip out on me while on it and having taken nothing else but water :rolleyes:

@Dan.......Oh please, you might as well thank E&#39;s for the minors coming off strike then :rolleyes:
Think about it, in 1985 a football match had approx 5 police, now you get something like 50 and horseback coppers already there if it&#39;s a possible threat :rolleyes:
and I only have to get you to look back at Portugal :rolleyes:
How many banned and arested? :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

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Just random :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

Jonno B)

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Actually, Jonno, you were right to disagree.

I meant psychedelic not psychoactive. Of course MDMA is psychoactive cos I&#39;ve just been informed by a co-worker that psychoactive just means that it alters your mood..

Really glad no-one picked me up on that :">

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I checked it on a dictionary site but decided I would leave you be after Fridays night drunken pick up attempt :lol: [/b][/quote]
:lol: :lol:

You smooth talking bar-steward B)

And now for a serious article on football/drugs:

http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/945108.htm

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:blink: Did you get Spider dude to do that? :lol:

Jonno B)

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Really glad no-one picked me up on that :">

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I did :rolleyes: :lol:

I said I&#39;ve seen people trip out on me while on it and having taken nothing else but water :rolleyes:

@Dan.......Oh please, you might as well thank E&#39;s for the minors coming off strike then :rolleyes:
Think about it, in 1985 a football match had approx 5 police, now you get something like 50 and horseback coppers already there if it&#39;s a possible threat :rolleyes:
and I only have to get you to look back at Portugal :rolleyes:
How many banned and arested? :rolleyes:

Jonno B) [/b][/quote]
Jonno it is pretty well known that ecstacy did a lot to decrease football violence. I suggest you do some reading up on the subject before passing comment. :)

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Really glad no-one picked me up on that :">

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I did :rolleyes: :lol:

I said I&#39;ve seen people trip out on me while on it and having taken nothing else but water :rolleyes:

@Dan.......Oh please, you might as well thank E&#39;s for the minors coming off strike then :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Minors strike :blink:

What, did they refuse to go to school or something?

Btw - You did not pick me up on using the wrong word and you have not seen someone have a bad trip on extacy :D

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:lol:&nbsp; :lol:&nbsp; :lol:

Sarky bastards :lol:

Jonno B)

@Cheese........ :blink: You must be watching different football then, I would think it&#39;s more to do with gate stops etc, :blink:
Oh well, I guess the fights in the streets or down Millwall lane don&#39;t appear on tv so they don&#39;t happen :rolleyes:

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Nope it was ecstacy.

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:lol: :lol:

Quality graphage&#33;

Sort of a bit about it here

Although it makes an interesting point know about the internet being reponsible for a resurgance in the foottball violence becasue there are places and sitres you can gloat about your stuff, read on others and generally get yourself fired up by it

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Sort of a bit about it here

Although it makes an interesting point know about the internet being reponsible for a resurgance in the foottball violence becasue there are places and sitres you can gloat about your stuff, read on others and generally get yourself fired up by it

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I blame it on the shit quality pills. <_<

@Cheese.........I don&#39;t do reading :lol: too much like hard work :lol:
Ok so you say it cut down on football violence :) fair enough, I don&#39;t really care :)

@Manker...... :angry: Yes I have&#33;&#33; Throwing up and head in hands for 4 hours crying in my book is a bad trip :rolleyes:

Jonno B)

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Originally posted by JONNO_CELEBS@16 August 2004 - 15:00
@Manker...... :angry: Yes I have&#33;&#33; Throwing up and head in hands for 4 hours crying in my book is a bad trip :rolleyes:

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It&#39;s a bad experience certainly, but not a bad trip. Although I suppose if you want to use incorrect terms to describe situations then that&#39;s your business ;)