Platoon defies orders in Iraq

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Originally Posted by scroff

So, can I ask you to post some balance and positives of the Bush administration?

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That's easy.....

Accomplishments of Bush

It's loaded with positives. In the future don't ask dumb questions. :lol: :lol:

ROFL. What were we thinking?

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I used to be frustrated on about why someone would want Bush for President.

Are they rich?
Do they believe Jesus talks to him personally as he says?
Is he tough even though he dodged war?
Is it dominion heresy?

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God said "turn your swords into ploughshares"

God weak on defense...wrong for America :rolleyes:

Bill M

you guys crack me up

and yet the saddest part is he has quite a chance at being voted in for a second term...

i long for the day we get our first athiest president

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Originally Posted by scroff

So, can I ask you to post some balance and positives of the Bush administration?

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How is that relevant? Balance is understanding how a single incident reflects the bigger picture. Is this refusal truly a reflection that the administarion does not care or is this more about interpersonal conflicts in a platoon?

The post in way no addresses the bigger picture, but sites the incident and jumps to the assumption that this somehow confirms that the administration doesn't care.

This reflects more about the authors bias than on the reality of the situation.
We must not look at this post in isolation, but rather look at said posters 7 other threads on the same theme (anti-Bush) and her website link.

Just because I don't like Bush doesn't mean I'm going to bleat like a sheep everytime someone posts something derogatory. I hold myself to a higher standard. I am not agenda driven.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

i long for the day we get our first athiest president

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Probably already had one, he just didn't put that in his press clippings. You really think that Clinton was religious? You don't commit adultery when you love God. This is not a shot at Clinton, just the first example I could come up with.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Probably already had one, he just didn't put that in his press clippings. You really think that Clinton was religious? You don't commit adultery when you love God. This is not a shot at Clinton, just the first example I could come up with.

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Bullshit.
You can kill someone and love God.

Utter bullshit. :dry:

People want someone that shares religious their religious views because of a perceived gauge of their moral compass.

People want to believe in something even if there is evidence screaming bullshit. Weak bastards. :dry: Many cite religion itself as an example. It can get worse with politicians.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Bullshit.
You can kill someone and love God.

Utter bullshit. :dry:

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Please explain how one can willfully commit adultery and still love God.

Thanks for the stupidest post I have ever read.

As for killing, God destroyed every human on the planet with the great flood. So if he can kill, why can't we. He has such double standards.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

How is that relevant? Balance is understanding how a single incident reflects the bigger picture. Is this refusal truly a reflection that the administarion does not care or is this more about interpersonal conflicts in a platoon?

The post in way no addresses the bigger picture, but sites the incident and jumps to the assumption that this somehow confirms that the administration doesn't care.

This reflects more about the authors bias than on the reality of the situation.
We must not look at this post in isolation, but rather look at said posters 7 other threads on the same theme (anti-Bush) and her website link.

Just because I don't like Bush doesn't mean I'm going to bleat like a sheep everytime someone posts something derogatory. I hold myself to a higher standard. I am not agenda driven.

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you keep saying there is no balanced/fair viewpoint posted..at least by me, so I think it is quite relevant to ask you to post something. You say, "Balance is understanding how a single incident reflects the bigger picture."
There are hundreds of "single incidents" that paint a much bigger picture..and that's what you go on about...the big picture. Many actions by the administration have shown a blatant disregard for the "regular folk". that is obvious.

Stating your agenda and backing it up is not bleating like a sheep hobbes, so why don't you do it? All you've done is complain about the postings. I'm open to hearing you present a balanced fair view of everything...you don't do it though..you make judgements based on nothing.
I believe you are agenda driven. It's amazing to me you don't recognize it.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Probably already had one, he just didn't put that in his press clippings. You really think that Clinton was religious? You don't commit adultery when you love God. This is not a shot at Clinton, just the first example I could come up with.

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I'm sure there are lot of people out there that are religious, love god, and behave in ways that one deems "immoral". I don't like to label it. We are human, imperfect people. So, I don't think that is a factual statement, just a judgemental one.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Please explain how on can willfully commit adultery and still love God.

Thanks for the stupidest post I have ever read.

As for killing, God destroyed every human on the planet with the great flood. So if he can kill, why can't we. He has such double standards.

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Arrogance is your strong point.
I'll oblige.

You are about to kill my son. I kill you first.

Dirt nap. Nighty Nick At Nite. :dry:

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Please explain how one can willfully commit adultery and still love God.

Thanks for the stupidest post I have ever read.

As for killing, God destroyed every human on the planet with the great flood. So if he can kill, why can't we. He has such double standards.

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This post explains alot about you, hobbes

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Arrogance is your strong point.
I'll oblige.

You are about to kill my son. I kill you first.

Dirt nap. Nighty Nick At Nite. :dry:

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Please justify adultery in the same manner.

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Originally Posted by ruthie

This post explains alot about you, hobbes

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Such as? Do they give college degrees in quips and platitudes?

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Originally Posted by ruthie

you keep saying there is no balanced/fair viewpoint posted..at least by me, so I think it is quite relevant to ask you to post something. You say, "Balance is understanding how a single incident reflects the bigger picture."
There are hundreds of "single incidents" that paint a much bigger picture..and that's what you go on about...the big picture. Many actions by the administration have shown a blatant disregard for the "regular folk". that is obvious.

Stating your agenda and backing it up is not bleating like a sheep hobbes, so why don't you do it? All you've done is complain about the postings. I'm open to hearing you present a balanced fair view of everything...you don't do it though..you make judgements based on nothing.
I believe you are agenda driven. It's amazing to me you don't recognize it.



I'm sure there are lot of people out there that are religious, love god, and behave in ways that one deems "immoral". I don't like to label it. We are human, imperfect people. So, I don't think that is a factual statement, just a judgemental one.

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Ruthie, what IS my agenda. Where have I ever lied. I criticize your and the opposite side equally. If there is additional evidence to support your position it was no where to be found in the post I criticized.

I think politicians give a lot of lip service about their religious convictions, but they don't seem to live it. That is all I was saying.

Roflmao

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Roflmao

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Yeah, me too. Is that the best you can do?

May I suggest: PMSL, that is also a witty response.

Rofl

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Originally Posted by ruthie

Rofl

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If you can't answer, just say so.

What is my agenda, when have I lied.

The questions are very simple.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Please justify adultery in the same manner.

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To put in terms for atheists in non-religious speak.

Humans are not robots. Books were put forth for us to believe in and strive to subdue the very animalistic tendencies and primal nature that we exhibit.

It may actually stop someone from beating the shit out you, hobbes, and taking your lunch money when walk down the street at night.

Ripley

Believe it or not.

Actually on topic:
I just heard a funny.

"If your order is to ride a skateboard through a minefield to deliver a Zagnut bar to Donald Rumsfeld..... I'm sorry that's deal with the army." :lol: :lol:


"Because you know what happens to soldiers that disobey direct orders? That's right, they become President of The United States." :lol: :lol:

very good

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Originally Posted by Busyman

To put in terms for atheists in non-religious speak.

Humans are not robots. Books were put forth for us to believe in and strive to subdue the very animalistic tendencies and primal nature that we exhibit.

It may actually stop someone from beating the shit out you, hobbes, and taking your lunch money when walk down the street at night.

Ripley

Believe it or not.

Actually on topic:
I just heard a funny.

"If your order is to ride a skateboard through a minefield to deliver a Zagnut bar to Donald Rumsfeld..... I'm sorry that's deal with the army." :lol: :lol:


"Because you what happens soldiers that disobey direct orders? That's right, they become President of The United States." :lol: :lol:

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Hmmmm, your thoughts are very deep, grasshopper :lol: :lol: :lol:
Can I have my lunch money back, btw?

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Originally Posted by ruthie

very good

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Good.

Please stand up and have a glass of water. We can't have you rolling about on the floor pissing yourself laughing (PMSL).

Lets' make some S'mores.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Hmmmm, your thoughts are very deep, grasshopper :lol: :lol: :lol:
Can I have my lunch money back, btw?

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I have certain beliefs but I'm also logical. I've read more than one religious book.....

And...uh...sorry, I must feed my family. After I rob two more people I'll be straight. I will then pray that I do well on this job interview tomorrow and that my kids don't freeze to death tonight. :unsure:

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I have certain beliefs but I'm also logical. I've read more than one religious book.....

And...uh...sorry, I must feed my family. After I rob two more people I'll be straight. I will then pray that I do well on this job interview tomorrow and that my kids don't freeze to death tonight. :unsure:

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Yah, me too! After this bank job, I'm going to live the straight and narrow with my 2.3 million. In fact, I will tell people how to live their lives, after my secretary gives me a bj.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Yah, me too! After this bank job, I'm going to live the straight and narrow with my 2.3 million. In fact, I will tell people how to live their lives, after my secretary gives me a bj.

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Hey, do your job well and your bacon and jelly sandwich is your business.

;)

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Originally Posted by hobbes

If you can't answer, just say so.

What is my agenda, when have I lied.

The questions are very simple.

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Oh brother... so are mine.

*crickets*

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Such as? Do they give college degrees in quips and platitudes?

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If they do you must have a Phd. As in Piled higher and deeper.

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How is that relevant?

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Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to catch a fart and paint it blue.... :rolleyes:

Ok, I guess I'm in trouble now :cool:

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When i was young I was very Religious.

I used to Pray every night for a new Bicycle.

Then I heard "God helps those that help themselves"...

So I stole the Bike and prayed for forgiveness.

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If the personal stuff doesnt stop, im gonna close this thread by the way...

Paul

Scroff, as I asked before, What questions do you want answered?

Remember, to stay on topic.

The topic is recognizing bias when one is reading a submitted thread, which includes the greater context of other threads made by the same author.

It would quite relevant if one thread were pro-Bush and the next was anti-Bush versus all being anti-Bush and versus having your own anti-Bush website.

Just because one tends to agree overall in the authors anti-Bush sentiment, one should still critically read each post and not blindly accept them as representing the whole truth..

Does the content of the post justify the conclusion?

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Originally Posted by scroff

Trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to catch a fart and paint it blue.... :rolleyes:

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You've tried to catch and paint farts? Hmmm, that post explains alot about you.*










*-credit to Ruthie

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Probably already had one, he just didn't put that in his press clippings. You really think that Clinton was religious? You don't commit adultery when you love God. This is not a shot at Clinton, just the first example I could come up with.

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I agree that we probably had a president that "omitted"... well had to lie about being a non believer....i should perhaps have said i long for the day when an "open about it athiest" can be president

we could have a perfect candidate that has a manifesto that we all agree with, but if he doesn't believe in God he won't get elected :(

As to only non believers or those that don't "love God" comitting adultery...well don't we all "sin", catholics confess theirs to get forgiveness. Does that make them all athiests or mean they don't love god? The point being is that humans make errors of judgement...they have free will. So i can't see how the act of adultery could be an indication of non belief or lack of love for god.

Isn't there a bit about heaven having more joy over a repented sinner than a completely rightious man (i confess i don't know the exact phrase being an athiest myself)

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Scroff, as I asked before, What questions do you want answered?

Remember, to stay on topic.

The topic is recognizing bias when one is reading a submitting thread, which includes the greater context of other threads made by the same author.

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Actually the topic is

Platoon defies orders in Iraq

:dry:

Sorry for all the Bill Maher stuff lately...but the guy hits the nail head on sometimes

New Rule: Soldiers have to follow orders. In World War II, there was none of this "we're not going because we don't have the right equipment." You want equipment, join the Swiss Army. If your order is to ride a skateboard through a minefield to deliver a Zagnut Bar to Donald Rumsfeld - I'm sorry, that's the deal with the Army. Because you know what happens to soldiers who disobey direct orders? That's right. They become the President of the United States!

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Originally Posted by vidcc

Sorry for all the Bill Maher stuff lately...but the guy hits the nail head on sometimes

New Rule: Soldiers have to follow orders. In World War II, there was none of this "we're not going because we don't have the right equipment." You want equipment, join the Swiss Army. If your order is to ride a skateboard through a minefield to deliver a Zagnut Bar to Donald Rumsfeld - I'm sorry, that's the deal with the Army. Because you know what happens to soldiers who disobey direct orders? That's right. They become the President of the United States!

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You don't bother reading pages before you post do you?
Check the page juuuuuuust before this one. Check the post. :dry:

Bill Maher is a funny bastard isn't he? :lol: :lol: :lol:

just don't bother reading your posts :lol: :lol: