Are you Glad Bush won?

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Originally Posted by j2k4

vid: "I told you so"= Bush would win; surely you haven't forgotten-but really, it was no great feat to foretell, and I think I said that, too.

My colleague Mr. Fugley has managed to quite easily point out that which most of you ignore:

The American people have spoken, loudly and plainly, and it is indisputable that most people who chose to vote (and by default must likewise be considered to be more engaged than those who did not, and therefore also more politically astute, which in turn indicates the majority who voted hold the prevailing attitudes of the country at large) are not of a liberal persuasion.

It is most definitely true that, if those currently apathetic to the voting process were similarly engaged as to the relevant issues, the majority would hold up throughout.

As an example of the liberal disconnect, consider the fact of the gay-marriage referendums having gone down in utter flames on every slate they were contested...

The prevailing liberal school of thought is (and this is indisputable) that conservatives turned down the referendums because of an inherent hatred/homophobia, when the simple truth is that they wish to preserve marriage as it has existed until now.

This is supported at a glance by the circumstance of a skew in the numbers of votes cast in the Presidential races in the same states where the referenda were on the ballot. i.e., misguidedly assuming a uniformity of beliefs, precisely how is it that in a state that ultimately went for Kerry pretty handily (Oregon) the vote on the gay marriage amendment went down big: 56%-44%?

I daresay (easy on the "dare") no such percentage exists on this board, so at least take the lesson that has been demonstrated so clearly:

The people on this board, including the American contingent, are outside the mainstream of American thought.

I'll bet most of you are utterly shocked at this news, huh? :)

Nonetheless-there you have it; the Americans actually are just as barbarous, uncouth, and worst of all, unenlightened as you've suspected.

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I have no idea why the gay marriage referendum was even brought up. I think most people don't want to see gay marriages. I was not surprised.

Saying I told you so regarding a Bush win is of no consequence. It's like me picking the number 4 horse to win...and uh...he does...by a nose. :dry:
You are not some enlightened person with this shocking revelation.

Regarding who voted for Bush, those folk are no more enlightened than Kerry voters. It does demonstrate a idiocy, I think, that will only permeate in the future......

Clinton lied to Congress under oath about a dick suck but hey Bush fucked more than that but now now.....he caused less damage to Presidential office. :blink: Ass-backwards my man. ;)

Idiocy....

Iraq has WMDs...LET'S GO TO WAR. :angry:

well no WMDs, but hey Repub friends, Saddam was in league with Al Qaeda, well uh.....WE GOT TO LIBERATE IRAQ!!! That's what we came here for stupid. :wacko:

If you bought that, you are an idiot. PERIOD. POINT BLANK.

If you take war lightly you are an idiot.

If you discount the lives of our soldiers for this bullshit, you are a fuck.

I can rattle off much more but I gotta see the end of the Laker game.

At least the children, our future, knew who to pick.

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Originally Posted by Rip The Jacker

At least the children, our future, knew who to pick.

http://www.nick.com/all_nick/special.../results.jhtml

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Don't worry... No Child Left will take care of that! :cool:

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Originally Posted by Vidcc

He actually stood for many things you champion. For example government not interfering between you and your doctor..... yet you want to interfere with patient doctor choice by banning abortion and stem cell research.

are you enlisting this week to ease the burdon on those serving in Iraq? please do so, you can finish your studies after you have served.... moral support isn't enough.. i urge you to put your body where your principles are.
I call on Bush to bring back the draft...after all it will be popular seeing as america thinks he's "right"
just so you know manny i will no longer accept your beliefs in Bush's "fight to free" untill you join up... unless you just think that the "cause" is something others should fight for.
Several people on this board have stated they have served openly, some have served but not mentioned it.... i am telling you now... cheerleaders don't get the respect of the players.... unless the players want to f**k them in the backs of their cars.

Please don't think this is rage or "emotions" speaking, i am calm.... you are hearing what i believe.

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I aknowledge (even if you don't) that you are on edge and are in need of a debate; and since you have come to me with such an asinine proposition, which pretty much came from nowhere; I will indulge you in such talk.

Tell me; did you think that the first Gulf War was valid? did you think that Invasion of Afghanistan was valid? did you serve in such military actions?

your call for people who support the war to join, is, to be put plainly; stupid. Wait, are you saying that all people who support the war should join, or just me?

Ok, to the point. I am not willing to abandon my responsibilities here to serve in Iraq and I have tremendous respect for those who would; if any. Why do you think people join the military? They do it for themselves and for their family. All they expect is to be able to serve honorably. I cannot leave. That said; Thank God that there are people who can serve and serve voluntarily, I am fully aware that they fight in my an your place, and such a sacrifice for us is warming.

As you know though; I have no qualms serving in the military after college in a position benefiting to my occupation. Your arguement is a side road to disvaluing my opinion, due to such literal minds unable to grasp such enthreal things as "freedom". Sad, because it's what the ideal society is based on.

A draft would bring those who do not want and will not do the job needed. Such a call for American deaths that is not necessary isn't warrented, I do not think that draft proponents understand this.

hey manny, your sig made me laugh, can't believe i didn't see it before. you're absolutely right about the gun part, but come on, abortion clinics? are we really living that far back in the past?

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Originally Posted by cpt_azad

hey manny, your sig made me laugh, can't believe i didn't see it before. you're absolutely right about the gun part, but come on, abortion clinics? are we really living that far back in the past?

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There is a feeling that it will soon be a major topic in the future(with the Supreme Court soon to be open for appointments), as well as being a substantial topic now. It helps that the case it's based off of is extremely weak with no inferences to past rulings.

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Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny

your call for people who support the war to join, is, to be put plainly; stupid. Wait, are you saying that all people who support the war should join, or just me?

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don't think he means just you, manny.

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Ok, to the point. I am not willing to abandon my responsibilities here to serve in Iraq and I have tremendous respect for those who would; if any. Why do you think people join the military? They do it for themselves and for their family. All they expect is to be able to serve honorably. I cannot leave. That said; Thank God that there are people who can serve and serve voluntarily, I am fully aware that they fight in my an your place, and such a sacrifice for us is warming.

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That's nice you aren't "willing" to abandon your responsibilities, unlike those serving who have been forced to..you know..stop-loss? They aren't fighting in my place. They are fighting in your place..you support this bullshit war..I do not, and never have. A sacrifice for us is warming? WTF. Do you feel warm and fuzzy? They have been sacrificed by the Bush administration.

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As you know though; I have no qualms serving in the military after college in a position benefiting to my occupation. Your arguement is a side road to disvaluing my opinion, due to such literal minds unable to grasp such enthreal things as "freedom". Sad, because it's what the ideal society is based on.

A draft would bring those who do not want and will not do the job needed. Such a call for American deaths that is not necessary isn't warrented, I do not think that draft proponents understand this.

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A position benefitting to your occupation? Glad you think you'll be able to pick and choose. Freedom is an ethereal thought? You think that some people can't "grasp" the concept? GROK .. ROFL. The draft...I repeat...there is a back-door draft going on. Wake up and smell the coffee. There should be no deaths in Iraq now, period...not Americans, not Iraqi, and not coalition (i use the term loosely).

Yes I am glad he won; he can now go and clean up the mess he has made....himself.

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Originally Posted by ruthie

don't think he means just you, manny.




That's nice you aren't "willing" to abandon your responsibilities, unlike those serving who have been forced to..you know..stop-loss? They aren't fighting in my place. They are fighting in your place..you support this bullshit war..I do not, and never have. A sacrifice for us is warming? WTF. Do you feel warm and fuzzy? They have been sacrificed by the Bush administration.




A position benefitting to your occupation? Glad you think you'll be able to pick and choose. Freedom is an ethereal thought? You think that some people can't "grasp" the concept? GROK .. ROFL. The draft...I repeat...there is a back-door draft going on. Wake up and smell the coffee. There should be no deaths in Iraq now, period...not Americans, not Iraqi, and not coalition (i use the term loosely).

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The post wasn't even directed at you so I won't reply. All I hear from you nowadays is constaint lib teleprompt, I honestly don't give it much thought. Express yourself in an intelligent manner and maybe I will start caring.

Must be triggered if you bothered to respond, Manny. ROFLMAO

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Ok, to the point. I am not willing to abandon my responsibilities here to serve in Iraq and I have tremendous respect for those who would; if any. Why do you think people join the military? They do it for themselves and for their family. All they expect is to be able to serve honorably. I cannot leave. That said; Thank God that there are people who can serve and serve voluntarily, I am fully aware that they fight in my an your place, and such a sacrifice for us is warming.

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"Warming". How very sweet. So you're a chickenhawk.... http://www.anywhichway.net/images/sm...hickensean.jpg

This is why I support a draft. Nothing pisses me off more than people of age who sit back all safe and warm "supporting the troops" while guys their age are coming home in pieces. Want to support the troops? Suit up and go over there. There's nothing lower than a chickenhawk.

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Why do you think people join the military? They do it for themselves and for their family.

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Damn! All these years I thought I joined because, as an "American" I should serve my country, because it was my duty, because I felt that if some other punk my age was risking getting himself dismembered why shouldn't I, because I didn't feel I was any different or special.... How stupid I was!

What makes these young chickenhawks so much better than these guys that they get to sit this one out?

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Nonetheless-there you have it; the Americans actually are just as barbarous, uncouth, and worst of all, unenlightened as you've suspected.

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Only 51% of them....

History will tell if the American people have made the right choice. It's a point of fact that the majority of a country can vote for the wrong person with dire results.

Hopefully Bush will surprise us all and bring about World peace, sign the Kyoto agreement and give free pretzels to the starving millions of Africa.

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Originally Posted by Withcheese

Hopefully Bush will surprise us all and bring about World peace, sign the Kyoto agreement and give free pretzels to the starving millions of Africa.

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...and then, maybe all of the Middle East will proclaim him the new Allah, Big Brother may once again be entertaining, racism and political correctness may be thrown out the window and maybe after all that I'll win the lottery :rolleyes:

The only comfort I have is that he's only in for four years max now - That is, unless someone assassinates him or he ends up blowing the world up.

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Originally Posted by scroff

Only 51% of them....

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Only 51% of those that voted...

Thats not 51% of Americans...

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Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank

B if you haven’t figured out where I stand on things by now then you never will.

I’m not going to fight with you over this.

All we’ve been doing for the past 6 or 9 months is going at each other and its time for a break. Truce?

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All I know is that you follow Bush.

Besides that it seems you are a surface thinker.

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Originally Posted by spinningfreemanny

Your arguement is a side road to disvaluing my opinion, due to such literal minds unable to grasp such enthreal things as "freedom". Sad, because it's what the ideal society is based on.

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I grasp the idea of freedom....but if you want freedom and you are convinced that others should be forced to accept your personal idea of freedom and you have actual convictions then why use "inconvenience" as an excuse... perhaps you don't feel as strongly after all.

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A draft would bring those who do not want and will not do the job needed. Such a call for American deaths that is not necessary isn't warrented, I do not think that draft proponents understand this

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A draft...one that doesn't allow exceptions...a fair draft... would bring a gut check to those that so vocally praise war from the sidelines... a draft would force accountability upon the president, because his supporters would have something to lose.

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Originally Posted by vidcc

A draft...one that doesn't allow exceptions...a fair draft... would bring a gut check to those that so vocally praise war from the sidelines... a draft would force accountability upon the president, because his supporters would have something to lose.

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Exactly

Send the Bush twins to Iraq
See how fast our troops come back

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

The ones who can't be arsed voting get what the ones who do vote want. They have absolutely no right to complain, as they chose to disassociate themselves from the procedure which is there to decide who leads them.

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Is seems that the Bushians tried everything to stop people to vote, by telling them lies.
A few examples i heared; in a some suburb they spread flyers telling that on the 2nd it was replubican's voting day the 3rd would be voting day for the democrats. Republicans that posted to check if people were allowed to vote (just scare tactics imo). And lots of these complaints... Call it what you want but for sure i wont call that "Land of the free". Anyway, a lot of people, not the smartest i agree, didn't vote because they just wouldn't..... :ohmy: ;)

i appreciate that some people decide not to vote because they don't care...those people tend to not complain anyway. Some people want to vote but are not allowed, the reasons for this vary by state.
Then we have people that don't vote because they don't wish to vote for any candidate as they feel they don't represent their views. these people do complain but they would complain whoever got in.
I wish everyone would vote, but i deeply believe they have the right not to vote as part of being free.... how many times have you seen the option on the ballot..."none of the above"?

Only in a movie..

A comedy that hit the nail on the head ;)

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Only in a movie..

A comedy that hit the nail on the head ;)

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Brewster's Millions?

Yes indeedy

yes it was in that movie although i wasn't drawing reference to it.

many people that have paper ballots decide to "spoil" their paper as a protest....something we are not able to do with touch screens

i agree with the lazy people not having reason to complain. all i was doing is pointing out that some people have genuine accetable reasons for not voting

including felons who did their time, and in many states regain their right to vote...but are denied, purged from the roles, etc.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

Do you know the percentage of citizens who are denied the vote. I would suspect it is not that high, compared to the number who just don't bother. I have no way of supporting this contention, it is just a feeling.

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percentages don't matter. I already agreed with you about the lazy ones, what more do you want?
Again i point out that there are a significant amount of people that didn't vote for a personal reason or are excluded. We are talking hundreds of thousands, but then as a percentage of the US population probably not many.
But don't go condemming Americans for electing Bush.... 49% of us that did vote didn't elect him and that's about half of us that think he shouldn't be president

How about the fact that its the first time a majority (of voters) has elected a president in about 16 years?

will post more later...

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Originally Posted by 3RA1N1AC

what? homosexual marriage is a threat to heterosexual marriage? or to heterosexuals' monopoly on marriages-of-convenience, perhaps? if preserving marriage is a concern, though, i'd suggest pickling it.

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A fine idea rendered moot by the liberal monopoly on salt. :D

Seriously-

If you feel that heterosexuals are being overly protective and proprietary of the term, why do you suppose the gays are fighting so hard to appropriate it?

Please explain.

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Originally Posted by Rat Faced

Only in a movie..

A comedy that hit the nail on the head ;)

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There was one state I saw that actually had " none of these" on the ballot. Don't ask me which, I don't remember, but it was one with about 6 or 7 choices for president :lol:

I have to confess that it baffles me why the term is important to either side.

Clearly the simple legal niceties regarding property, insurance and inheritance have a practical benefit but this comes with a civil union.


Given that heterosexuals have fairly much ravaged the concept of marriage there would seem to be little merit in Gays choosing it as a battleground and I am of the view that it is a total waste of energy and time on their part. Britney's 36 hour marriage (or however long it was) demonstrates this most pointedly. Surely they would do better to come up with their own definition using a civil union as the vehicle.

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Originally Posted by Biggles

Britney's 36 hour marriage...

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Britney who? :D

Damn why are yall so for peace...the mother fuckers terrorize everyone. Fly planes into our buildings and do unthinkable things to other people. But heaven forbid 20 american soldiers die. Its a fing war, thats what happens, and something needs to be done. And Kerry was for the war to, but he prob would have changed up a few things.

Kerry said he was gona do about 1,000,000 things, which there is no way he could really do. He looks like an asshole and doesnt speak very powerful. Bush might not use the best words but when you look at him you know he means it.

And people think we should let people do w/e they want. Look at where our WORLD is. We get worse and worse, and you cant say were not, look at the things around us. Every year in my city people start drinking and dipping at younger ages. About 7th grade. People start having sex about 7th grade too. TV gets worse, music gets worse everything. Letting people go around buttfucking and spreading more diseases and shit is horrible, and you need to realize that. You arent born gay thats fucking bullshit.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.anywhichway.net/images/smiles/icon_rofl.gif
I'm sorry, but I can almost hear Dueling Banjos in the background....http://www.anywhichway.net/images/smiles/bocul.gif

Really, I apologise. I'm just a damn yankee...

i wish bush choked on that pretzal :angry:

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Originally Posted by bigdawgfoxx

Damn why are yall so for peace...the mother fuckers terrorize everyone. Fly planes into our buildings and do unthinkable things to other people. But heaven forbid 20 american soldiers die. Its a fing war, thats what happens, and something needs to be done. And Kerry was for the war to, but he prob would have changed up a few things.

Kerry said he was gona do about 1,000,000 things, which there is no way he could really do. He looks like an asshole and doesnt speak very powerful. Bush might not use the best words but when you look at him you know he means it.

And people think we should let people do w/e they want. Look at where our WORLD is. We get worse and worse, and you cant say were not, look at the things around us. Every year in my city people start drinking and dipping at younger ages. About 7th grade. People start having sex about 7th grade too. TV gets worse, music gets worse everything. Letting people go around buttfucking and spreading more diseases and shit is horrible, and you need to realize that. You arent born gay thats fucking bullshit.

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Hurray! Looks like Texas understands Bush.

I agree, I dont care what you argue about intolerance, or how it goes against the constitution, Im all for it. Above the constitution is the concept that the people should decide the laws, and the people seemed to scream "Keep your gay asses away from us!" on election day. Equality is a concept of who people really are, too. If it wasnt, then people that like to have sex with animals would be recieving thier rights too. Tolerance escalades into a mutated disaster of accept-all love-all. If you say you were born gay, I say I was born to hate you! Argue it all you want, it doesnt make any sense. We are obviously a product of our environment. And who's to say they know morales better than century-old gospels? Maybe they were created purely to keep people in line. Maybe that was the only reason they were written. But if thats so, then I think it was because they were needed, not because a bunch of people were bored and decided to create the philosophy for the world to follow for the next thousands of years.

Answering the original question:

To me, it didn't matter if Bush won.

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Originally Posted by Prodigy Girl

Answering the original question:

To me, it didn't matter if Bush won this election.

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Say more?

Say more of what? I didn't vote for either Bush or Kerry, so the outcome didn't matter to me.

Right now, I just hope those who still have hard feelings towards the outcome of this election can move on and find peace.