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Originally Posted by SnnY

Wearing one of these doesn't necessarily mean that you are a nazi.

It's also about context, hitler was a thief who couldn't even dream up his own symbol, so he had to corrupt something pure.

It's almost comparable to stealing the crucifix, as a symbol.


That's the flipped up thing, many only remember it for the evil deeds the nazis did, so the nazis managed to spit on buddhism. Which isn't nearly as bad as trying to wipe out every follower of judaeism but it's still a crime.

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Quite, but the magnitude of the atrocities has wiped out any other meaning that the symbol has for countless billions of people.

Similarly the name Adolf used to be popular in Germany, now it is unused.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

Wearing one of these doesn't necessarily mean that you are a nazi.

It's also about context, hitler was a thief who couldn't even dream up his own symbol, so he had to corrupt something pure.

It's almost comparable to stealing the crucifix, as a symbol.


That's the flipped up thing, many only remember it for the evil deeds the nazis did, so the nazis managed to spit on buddhism. Which isn't nearly as bad as trying to wipe out every follower of judaeism but it's still a crime.


EDit: I blame people who keep wearing it like that harry character did for perpetuating this, they keep churning up emotion like this and adding more negtivity to the symbol in the eyes of the publc.

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Your right Snny, as usual. :) Hitler actually took a syblol that represented good and spoilt it forever. Some of the American army had the symbol on their uniform in the first world war.


I must learn to spell symbol. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by manker

Quite, but the magnitude of the atrocities has wiped out any other meaning that the symbol has for countless billions of people.

Similarly the name Adolf used to be popular in Germany, now it is unused.

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It actually hasn't wiped out the meaning for everyone, not for a lot of people east of us. The problem is that for some people, wearing a symbol of their own religion when they come to the wrong country might mean they'll get the **** kicked out of them. Or that they'll get arrested, in Germany.

Mind you, while both are called swastikas one goes counter-clockwise, and one clockwise, but what with some people being idiots you can't count on that saving you.

And given that there's only five or six billions of people on the planet, countless is probably the wrong word :lol: :P

@Bob: It is a symbol of protection for some, so that doesn't surprise me at all.

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Originally Posted by manker

Bollocks. I couldn't give a flying fuck about what you think about the public outcry, I wouldn't have batted an eye and haven't referred to it.

Scroll up or click the link for my post highlighting your view with which I objected.

Of course, subsequently you decided that it's bad to wear it. That's a good thing, I feel all warm inside :)

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I would like an explination of where in that post I said it was ok to wear it?

I said there's no difference to wearing an English uniform, think of it from say "Argentina's pov" someone we invaded for no reason, I think you would be scorned just as bad, thats what I said, I never said it was ok.

Once again, please not to be trying to twist my words :)

And if you had actually read my posts, you would see my whole point right from the start was the Over reaction of the RF and public.

Jonno :cool:

In China they still use thier version on food to show it is suitable for vegetarians

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Originally Posted by DanB

In China they still use thier version on food to show it is suitable for vegetarians

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Well there you go then, Harry was simply saying he was suitable for vegertarians :lol:

Jonno :cool:

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Originally Posted by DanB

In China they still use thier version on food to show it is suitable for vegetarians

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You know, his is the counterclockwise symbol, so he's prolly not suitable for vegetarians, not even in China.



No offense meant to anyone chinese looking in on this.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

So you only have an opinion if you were present at the event. Nonsense, you have an opinion on his intent.

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I always had this impression that knowing and having an opinion were two different things.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

You know, his is the counterclockwise symbol, so he's prolly not suitable for vegetarians, not even in China.



No offense meant to anyone chinese looking in on this.

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:lol: when i said their I did mean the clockwise one

In some ways his very existance is a mockery.

Just not of nazism.

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Originally Posted by Jonno

I think it's hysterical :lol:

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Originally Posted by Jonno

I just think it's funny, I never liked Harry..............til now :lol:

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Originally Posted by Jonno

I've been to many fancy dress parties and people have been dressed as hitler

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Anyone wearing a swastika would get the shit kicked out of them in normal society. Do you go to a lot of right wing bashes.

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Originally Posted by manker

It's a bit rich to condone anyone wearing nazi garb, whatever the circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Jonno

I don't see any difference to wearing an English battle uniform from way back when we were just as bad.
It's a fancy dress party ffs

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Originally Posted by Jonno

Ok so if it's so wrong, why can you hire the costume?

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If you knew it was already wrong, why ask. Why are you trying to prove my assertion that it is wrong to be incorrect?

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Originally Posted by Jonno

Btw, I don't think it's acceptable, I never said it was

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Lovely stuff, glad I could help enlighten you :)

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

So do you have an opinion, was he mocking them.

I very much think not, what about you.

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No I was not mocking the Nazis. :lol:

In my opinion, knowing his family history of sympathy(If that is the correct word) with the Nazi movement, I dont think he was mocking them. :(

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Originally Posted by SnnY

It actually hasn't wiped out the meaning for everyone, not for a lot of people east of us. The problem is that for some people, wearing a symbol of their own religion when they come to the wrong country might mean they'll get the **** kicked out of them. Or that they'll get arrested, in Germany.

Mind you, while both are called swastikas one goes counter-clockwise, and one clockwise, but what with some people being idiots you can't count on that saving you.

And given that there's only five or six billions of people on the planet, countless is probably the wrong word :lol: :P

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:lol:

Yeah, I did notice the countless billions thing :doh: straight after posting, was hoping I'd get away with it tho' :D

My point is that we don't live in the East, in our society it's unacceptable.

It certainly is a problem if they wear a badge expressing their beliefs and get beaten up, likewise it's also a problem if they display a badge that's disrespectful to our heritage while visiting or residing within our culture.

A bit of common sense and research on behalf of the Buddhist should sort it out tho'.

Our royal house sympathised with the nazis too, apparently kings and the notion of genetic purity go hand in hand. That's prolly why they had to marry people in the family.

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Originally Posted by manker

Anyone wearing a swastika would get the shit kicked out of them in normal society. Do you go to a lot of right wing bashes.

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If you knew it was already wrong, why ask. Why are you trying to prove my assertion that it is wrong to be incorrect?

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Lovely stuff, glad I could help enlighten you :)

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Again you are twisting what I said, I have said nowhere I thought it was ok to do.
AGAIN what I found funny was the rebelion of Harry.

You are trying to make me out to be the bad guy.
You laugh at Proper Bo when he does Saddam or Bin Laden. How's it different?

Like I said, nowhere in this thread did I state it was ok to wear that simbol.
I don't think it's right. Never have.

What I think is great is the Royal Family being made a mockery of.
What annoys me is that Harry AND William are to be publically flogged for it.

Jonno :cool:

If it's a family tradition supporting teh nazism it's not really a rebellion tho'.

Not quite sure I follow Mr.S?

Jonno :cool:

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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene

Again you are twisting what I said, I have said nowhere I thought it was ok to do.
AGAIN what I found funny was the rebelion of Harry.

Like I said, nowhere in this thread did I state it was ok to wear that simbol.
I don't think it's right. Never have.

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@Dan........ Yeah he prolly done it on purpose to wind up sad people.

@Manker.... I don't see any difference to wearing an English battle uniform from way back when we were just as bad.
It's a fancy dress party ffs, ok so he knew it would upset people, but look at the shit he's been getting lately, would'nt you rebel? I fucking would.
The poor lad can't have a shit without doing it wrong.

Jonno

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well there you allude to say only 'sad' people will have got wound up about it and allude to the fact you'd even wear it yourself to rebel

See, boab said the royals supported the nazis in the past, this might mean he was only traditional rather than rebellious when he wore the uniform. :unsure:

Or he was rubbing the family's collective nose in it, tho' the lad doesn't seem quite that bright.

:lol: You guys are having fun attempting to twist what I've said.

Again, show me where I said it was ok :)

Please, I never indicated it was ok nor did I state it.

Your assumptions and missreadings of my posts and attempts to make me out to be some form of Hitler youth member are pathetic and I take great offence to it.

So I ask you once again, show me where I said it was ok to wear that simbol?

Jonno :cool:

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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene

:lol: You guys are having fun attempting to twist what I've said.

Again, show me where I said it was ok :)

Please, I never indicated it was ok nor did I state it.

Your assumptions and missreadings of my posts and attempts to make me out to be some form of Hitler youth member are pathetic and I take great offence to it.

So I ask you once again, show me where I said it was ok to wear that simbol?

Jonno :cool:

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with comments like 'poor lad can't have a shit without doing wrong' 'ffs it was a fancy dress party' and 'I think it's hysterical' seem to give the impression of condoning it :ermm:

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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene

Again you are twisting what I said, I have said nowhere I thought it was ok to do.
AGAIN what I found funny was the rebelion of Harry.

You are trying to make me out to be the bad guy.
You laugh at Proper Bo when he does Saddam or Bin Laden. How's it different?

Like I said, nowhere in this thread did I state it was ok to wear that simbol.
I don't think it's right. Never have.

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I'm twisting nowt. I posted your words. The thread is about him wearing a swastika, you said it's funny and now you like him. Now you're saying you admire his rebellious streak. Whatever. His rebellious streak - which I would term inbred stupidity - caused him to deem it OK to wear a swastika. You still think it's a laugh.

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Originally Posted by Jonno

Ok so if it's so wrong, why can you hire the costume?

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Originally Posted by manker

If you knew it was already wrong, why ask. Why are you trying to prove my assertion that it is wrong to be incorrect?

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Explain.

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation.

I'm not gonna sit here and let you slander my name in this manner with only assumption as your weapon.

If you guys wish to think I'm for the Hitler ideal thats your problem not mine.

I withdraw from this pointless disscussion.

Edit: Fine once again you have managed to twist what I have said, and yet you can only come up with assumptions and wrongly reading what I've said.
I refuse to keep repeating myself.

Read back and try to read into it a little less and take my comments at face value.

Thank you for your attempts to make me out to be something I'm not.

Jonno :cool:

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Originally Posted by Jonno

You guys are having fun attempting to twist what I've said.

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Stop whining, it's pathetic. We're copying and pasting your words.

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Originally Posted by Jonno

Please, I never indicated it was ok nor did I state it.

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Plead all you like, it was you that posted the words that indicate that you think it's alright.




Btw, I'm not trying to say you're a Hitler sycophant. You're just plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene

Anyway, I'm done with this conversation.

I'm not gonna sit here and let you slander my name in this manner with only assumption as your weapon.

If you guys wish to think I'm for the Hitler ideal thats your problem not mine.

I withdraw from this pointless disscussion.

Edit: Fine once again you have managed to twist what I have said, and yet you can only come up with assumptions and wrongly reading what I've said.
I refuse to keep repeating myself.

Read back and try to read into it a little less and take my comments at face value.

Thank you for your attempts to make me out to be something I'm not.

Jonno :cool:

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Shut it, Nazi. :dry:

Ok the prince harry thing wasnt that bad..... it was only a costume right ....?

Why ? He was at a fancy dress thingy-ma-bob

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Originally Posted by gemby!

Why ? He was at a fancy dress thingy-ma-bob

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Maybe you should read the thread, it's all explained there.

Wearing swastikas is bad. Mmkay.

Mmkay ;)

It was the people in the uniforms that committed the atrocities, not the uniforms themselves.

A fancy dress party, by definition, is a party where you go dressed up in a costume, a costume presumably that your peers wouldn't normally see you in. Presumably, no-one here is trying to say that Harry is a Nazi..? (Except for the Sun... :devil: )

The public outcry on display here again is disproportionate, and is fueled by the tabloids trying to sell papers, and is being hijacked by people who like any excuse for a bit of "Royal-bashing"..

On the flip side, symbols can be quite powerful and evocative, I'm sure with the reaction of the past day, he wishes he'd gone as a Viking instead..

Oh wait no, rape and pillage and all that, perhaps a Roman Centurion instead...

Oh wait no.... :frusty:

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Originally Posted by barbarossa

It was the people in the uniforms that committed the atrocities, not the uniforms themselves.

A fancy dress party, by definition, is a party where you go dressed up in a costume, a costume presumably that your peers wouldn't normally see you in. Presumably, no-one here is trying to say that Harry is a Nazi..? (Except for the Sun... :devil: )

The public outcry on display here again is disproportionate, and is fueled by the tabloids trying to sell papers, and is being hijacked by people who like any excuse for a bit of "Royal-bashing"..

On the flip side, symbols can be quite powerful and evocative, I'm sure with the reaction of the past day, he wishes he'd gone as a Viking instead..

Oh wait no, rape and pillage and all that, perhaps a Roman Centurion instead...

Oh wait no.... :frusty:

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I don't care about the public outcry, I haven't bashed the royals, I've not made any money.

I empathise with the people that Harry disrespected by wearing the symbol. It is entirely inappropriate for anyone, let alone someone perpetually in the public eye, to wear such garb.

Are you saying it's fine.

I won't deny I dislike the notion of royalty, and that it's not just him I'm against here.

But when it comes to this particular action, I still think he's a moron. He IS a public figure and he does have a responsibility to the people that provides for him, if he wants himself and his family to retain the station they have. So him wearing this symbol which is abhorred by many of those he expects to pay for his upkeep, no matter if his motive was just to party and he didn't have an deeper purpose to it, was still wrong, and monumentally so.

I started this thread when I heard about Harrys actions which I found to be unbelievably stupid. I knew that he had a reputation for getting into mischief but I could understand all of his actions and misdemeanours up to this point but I just felt this was way worse than anything that had gone before. The arguement that it was a private party holds nothing for me, just because someone does something bad behind closed doors does not mean that they are a good person. A little extreme comparision but if someone commits a crime but they are never caught does that make them innocent?

The funny thing is that I am no longer sure what annoys me more, his actions or the fact that some people find it ok. :no:

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Originally Posted by Zero

The funny thing is that I am no longer sure what annoys me more, his actions or the fact that some people find it ok. :no:

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I certainly understand what you're saying there.

For me both annoy equally. Going off topic a bit but if you're with a group of friends and one of them makes a racist comment and you say nothing, then you're an arsehole too. It's that simple for me.

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Originally Posted by manker

I certainly understand what you're saying there.

For me both annoy equally. Going off topic a bit but if you're with a group of friends and one of them makes a racist comment and you say nothing, then you're an arsehole too. It's that simple for me.

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I agree with that to a certain extent, however some may find that although they strongly disagree they are not confident enough to say anything...and it would be unfair to tar them with the same brush applied to whomever made the comment or suchlike. :)

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Originally Posted by (>Zero Cool<)

I agree with that to a certain extent, however some may find that although they strongly disagree they are not confident enough to say anything...and it would be unfair to tar them with the same brush applied to whomever made the comment or suchlike. :)

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I have to agree with that - maybe I used a bit too much rhetoric there :D

Still, I would like it if everyone thought like that.

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Originally Posted by manker

I have to agree with that - maybe I used a bit too much rhetoric there :D

Still, I would like it if everyone thought like that.

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indeed :)

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Originally Posted by Withcheese

Shut it, Nazi. :dry:

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I think that this post is despicable. :( IMO an apology to Jonno would not be out of place. I have just noticed it. Why other members have not made an appropriate comment, I cannot understand. :(

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Originally Posted by bigboab

I think that this post is despicable. :( IMO an apology to Jonno would not be out of place. I have just noticed it. Why other members have not made an appropriate comment, I cannot understand. :(

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Cos we all took it as the joke it was :huh:

It was plainly a joke.

Jonno made about 67 posts saying that he did not agree with the nazi ideal - anyone in their right mind can see that Jonno isn't a nazi - so Cheese made an ironic post.

It actually made me laugh out loud :ermm: