pharmacists refusing requests

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Pharmacists here have to go through certian training too but so do barbers.

If I go to pharmacy in your example and I want headache medicine the pharmacy must supply it.
What if it's not in stock? What about certain brand names? Is that dictated by the government?

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I daresay they aren't going to run of of something to cure headaches too soon, but if they did, they'd be required to order some in, I think.

Or refer you to a place that had some.

When it comes to prescription drugs it's a bit stricter. If you need insulin, for instance, then they'll write you up, order it asap and call you. In an emergency they'll have it brought in right away. Or they'll, again, refer you to somewhere it's available, like a hospital.

I don't think you can ask for a particular brand name, unless it's a prescription drug in which case they have to get you what the doc ordered.


EDit: There's quite a bit of testing to go through before the government allows it be sold at all, so any drug you buy at a pharmacy has their seal of approval on it, figuratively speaking.

But that's the same everywhere civilised, I think.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

I don't think you can ask for a particular brand name, unless it's a prescription drug in which case they have to get you what the doc ordered.

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I thought prescriptions used generic as much as possible and the doctor write the medical name for the drug, not the brand name... the dispenser then give which brand he has.
with over the counter you can ask for whatever brand you want as long as they have it

edit...In the UK

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Originally Posted by Busyman

Gotcha.

Pharmacies prescribe medicine.

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The system is in its infancy at the moment. Pharmacies are also allowed to repeat your doctors prescriptions after initial consultation between Doctor/Pharmacy. Except for items printed in italics by the doctor.These are generally prescribed drugs.(Drugs of misuse)

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Originally Posted by vidcc

I thought prescriptions used generic as uch as possible and the doctor write the medical name for the drug, not the brand name... the dispenser then give which brand he has.
with over the counter you can ask for whatever brand you want as long as they have it

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I've had a doctor write down the exact dosage of a certain brand of drug a couple of times.

When I worked in the hospital there was talk of companies trying to convince physicians to prescribe their drugs, by giving out free samples and frickin gift baskets and whatnot.

Not sure how much of that came from the imaginations of bitter old nurses tho'.

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Originally Posted by SnnY

I've had a doctor write down the exact dosage of a certain brand of drug a couple of times.

When I worked in the hospital there was talk of companies trying to convince physicians to prescribe their drugs, by giving out free samples and frickin gift baskets and whatnot.

Not sure how much of that came from the imaginations of bitter old nurses tho'.

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That is going on over here Snny. :(

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Originally Posted by Busyman

The bad part is....pharmacies shouldn't prescribing a damn thing.

Just hand me what's already been prescribed (or definitely OTC) and try to answer MY FUCKING QUESTIONS. (there's my rehash)

:D

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Well, I meant when it came to honoring prescriptions. :frusty:

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Originally Posted by vidcc

they have no obligation for over the counter/ on the shelf drugs. they can stock whatever brand they wish.

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....then this sounds like what hobbes was saying...

The morning after pill is otc in the UK.
They are not obligated.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

....then this sounds like what hobbes was saying...

The morning after pill is otc in the UK.
They are not obligated.

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but it's also on the NHS prescription list. this means that it my be aquired free at point of service by someone that qualifies for free prescriptions, or at a cheaper set fee (is it arout the 7 pound mark at the moment?) if one has to pay for prescriptions assuming it cost more over the counter

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

I believe it is now illegal (in the UK) to sell more than a specific number of painkillers, to the same person, at the same time.

It's a sort of suicide "cooling off" period type of thing.

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Thats really fucking stupid. Think about it, 1 bottle of Tylenol is enough to kill yourself with(providing it's maximum strength) and limiting the amount is going to help how? And besides, if you really wanted to kill yourself it wouldnt be hard to go to another store and buy another bottle. ;)

The original post proposed a situation.

In a freemarket system, I stated that no owner should be forced to stock anything he does not wish.

We have been enlightened that it is a requirement to carry an NHS list of medications and this is a condition which must be agreed upon to obtain a pharmacy license.

There is no discussion then.

If there is a rule and you break it, you will pay a penalty. Can't really discuss that.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

The original post proposed a situation.

In a freemarket system, I stated that no owner should be forced to stock anything he does not wish.

We have been enlightened that it is a requirement to carry an NHS list of medications and this is a condition which must be agreed upon to obtain a pharmacy license.

There is no discussion then.

If there is a rule and you break it, you will pay a penalty. Can't really discuss that.

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Excellent. :smoke: Now lets lock this topic and start a new argument.

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Originally Posted by Mr JP Fugley

I believe it is now illegal (in the UK) to sell more than a specific number of painkillers, to the same person, at the same time.

It's a sort of suicide "cooling off" period type of thing.

Sorry if this has already been posted.

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This is true. Especially with Paracetamol. Nothing to stop you going to another shop and buying more though. :(

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Originally Posted by bigboab

This is true. Especially with Paracetamol. Nothing to stop you going to another shop and buying more though. :(

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Yes, but with "painkillers" you simply fall sleep, stop breathing and die. With tylenol, the course is a long and protracted death.

It is all about what is pleasant. In a pique of depression do I want to hurt myself with a razor, have a long, protracted death with tylenol, or just go to sleep with painkillers.

We must realize that 199/200 suicide attempts are a plea for help, and not to actuallt kill oneself.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Yes, but with "painkillers" you simply stop breathing, fall asleep and die. With tylenol, the course is a long and protracted death.

It is all about what is pleasant. In a pique of depression do I want to hurt myself with a razor, have a long, protracted death with tylenol, or just go to sleep with painkillers.

We must realize that 199/200 suicide attempts are a plea for help, and not to actuallt kill oneself.

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Have you tried any of these self help groups?

How can you have a self help group? It is like having an Anarchist party. :blink:

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Originally Posted by Arm

Thats really fucking stupid. Think about it, 1 bottle of Tylenol is enough to kill yourself with(providing it's maximum strength) and limiting the amount is going to help how? And besides, if you really wanted to kill yourself it wouldnt be hard to go to another store and buy another bottle. ;)

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It is actually not stupid at all.

If you want a painkiller such as morphine, the idea is to give you less than a lethal dose.

Typically, the pharmacist will call the doctor to confirm the prescription for such a highly controlled medication.

The pharmacist will also take your prescription away so that you cannot take it next door.

If you somehow manage to keep it and take it next door, the second call to your doctor in 15 minutes for morphine might just draw some attention.

That is ideally how the system is intended to work.

The way around this is to shop doctors. You go to 4 or 5 different doctors who each write you a 'script for Morphine. Then you cash each in at 5 different pharmacies.

The point that is critical is that such an endeavor cannot be accomplished in a pique of sorrow, it takes a pre-meditated attack plan.

If someone is willing to take the time to do this, they are pretty much bent on killing themselves.

Jpol's plan attempts to thwart the other 199 who really don't want to die from "X"ing themselves while in an acute emotional state.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

There is no discussion then.

If there is a rule and you break it, you will pay a penalty. Can't really discuss that.

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I must agree but someone will find a reason to keep it going.

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Originally Posted by Busyman

I must agree but someone will find a reason to keep it going.

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like bumping the thread after nearly 28 hours of no new posts :shifty:

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Originally Posted by vidcc

like bumping the thread after nearly 28 hours of no new posts :shifty:

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Genius.....you figured it out all by your lonesome. ;)

I've been away for 28 hours too.

Conspiracy theory states that you 2 were together. :ph34r:

2 people away for 28 hours, you know what I'm talkin' 'bout.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Conspiracy theory states that you 2 were together. :ph34r:

2 people away for 28 hours, you know what I'm talkin' 'bout.

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Not really.

vid had been posting during my "missing" 28 hours.

I was out of town (away and back quick flights) on business. ;)

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Originally Posted by Arm

Thats really fucking stupid. Think about it, 1 bottle of Tylenol is enough to kill yourself with(providing it's maximum strength) and limiting the amount is going to help how? And besides, if you really wanted to kill yourself it wouldnt be hard to go to another store and buy another bottle. ;)

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Just to clear things up, paracetamol is acetaminophen. Tylenol is USUALLY just acetaminophen, but has variants for different "uses" so may have other additives since it is a brand name - do you actually know what you are taking?

In the UK, paracetamol has been restricted for sale since 1998 to pack sizes not exceeding 16 "maximum" dose tablets. This has resulted in a 21% reduction in paracetamol overdose cases, and a 64% reduction in severe overdose cases.

Edit: in case it hasn't been stated clearly before, this is a VERY nasty way to go. It effectively destroys the liver, a large overdose rarely kills quickly, and most lethal overdoses result in a long, lingering, extremely painful death.

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Originally Posted by hobbes

Conspiracy theory states that you 2 were together. :ph34r:

2 people away for 28 hours, you know what I'm talkin' 'bout.

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I was busy making sure the washington post doesn't reveal my identity until after I am dead

seems we have the same problem in the USA. I can't find the report i read the other day...some are dispensing birth control only to married people :dry:


Pharmacist cites sin in birth control case

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Originally Posted by vidcc

seems we have the same problem in the USA. I can't find the report i read the other day...some are dispensing birth control only to married people :dry:


Pharmacist cites sin in birth control case

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Yep that's old case.

What I don't understand is what the fuck goes against the religion?

It stops conception. It regulates some women's periods.

This fella was going a step further maybe with trying to prohibit fornication.