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1 more save for Liverpool/1 More goal for Liverpool wins it for them.
Shevshenko has to score and hope Liverpool miss.
Shevchenko Misses.
Liverpool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done Liverpool :01:
Liverpool are Champions of Europe again.
(But won't be able to retain it)
Ok this does'nt really interest me anymore so congrats Liverpool.
But I would like to ask a question, has the "Keeper must not move before the ball is kicked durin a penalty" rule been abolished? :huh:
Cos I just watched Liverpools keeper dance the fandango before the guy even started running :huh:
Jonno :cool:
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Cos they aren't allowed to even try :dry:
Apparently Gerrard said he wanted to take the penultimate penalty (the one that Liverpool would have needed to score) but because of Shevchencko's miss he didn't need to take it.
Also its only the second time a team have come back from behind to win, the first being Man Unt 5 years ago.
officially he needs 2 stay on the line until the ball is touched (I think it's allowed to move)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
So the ref just was'nt watching then?
Ok thanks for clearing that up :rolleyes:
Jonno :cool:
i should have given them more credit, i thought it was over at half-time
If you watch Shevcheko's penalty he misses then follows it up and celebrates and then turns round and realises it didn't count :lol:
Good game by all accounts then?
I saw a couple of highlights, would seem liverpools keeper deserves a big drink.
Ironic really, I think the last Euro cup final I watched liverpool won that too :frusty:
Nowich next year :01:
doh :(
Jonno :cool:
Walk On.
That had to be one of the most unbelievable, heart-stopping matches I've seen in a while :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jon L. Obscene
I'm glad that goal soon after the first Milan one got discounted due to offside. We should have lost so many times it was unbelievable - Especially those close shots towards the end of full-time :ohmy:
Likewise with the penalties - I thought we lost it, but after the first Milan penalty my heart was stopping as each went through.
Congrats to Liverpool - To go from 3-0 at half-time to a close run of penalties, that match will be remembered for a while. AC Milan were playing great and it was anyone's game until the end - My congrats to them :)
I'll leave with a very special anthem. But still, I leave a thought - The FA made clear that Liverpool will not take a place in next year's Champions League. But that doesn't mean that UEFA won't overrule them and offer them a place somehow ;) We'll find out over time.
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When you walk through the storm
Hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark
At the end of the storm
There's a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of the lark
Walk on, through the wind
Walk on, through the rain
Though your dreams be tossed and blown
Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone
You'll never walk alone
I hope they do, it will be a joke if they are unable to try to retain the titleQuote:
Originally Posted by Illuminati
Well it could be a good thing if they don't - If Liverpool don't go through, next year's winners have a hollow victory because the champions weren't defeated in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanB
Having said that, I'd prefer Liverpool did go through and defend it, whether they end up successful or not :)
Nowich Jonno?
Shouldnt be allowed to type with a speech impediment :P
Congrats Liverpool.. left it a little late though :blink:
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Originally Posted by Illuminati
Good game. I shouted myself hoarse, haven't been that behind a non-NUFC team since Man Utd beat Bayern Munich in the same competition. Best come-back ever.
The whole thing about them maybe not being in next seasons Euro Cup is scandalous. There should be a place reserved for the holders, plain and simple. They're the European champions ffs. :dry:
Unbelievable game.. Steven Gerrard was incredible!! And Dudek, I haven't seen antics like that since Grobbelaar..
Is there anyone in England who is not a Liverpool fan right now? :huh:
about a month ago i was a Chelsea fan :unsure:
It's a matter for the FA to decide who gets the places.
It is unlikely they will change the allocations as they stand.
That would be too harsh.
There are a few in Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by barbarossa
Aparently they're right twats who wore Milan shirts to the pub and got the piss ripped out of them 'til 2am :pinch:
Quite right.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPaul
The only possible way for them to be included in next years competition is at someone else's expense. That would be, as you say, harsh in the extreme.
Liverpool FC were aware of the rules when they entered the competition. If they did not agree with them then they should not have taken part.
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Originally Posted by manker
There should be a reserved place for the winners in the first place, that's what is so silly. Didn't the winners used to automatically qualify? When did it stop?
If that's the rules so be it, I'm not saying change the rules to allow Liverpool in now just more annoyed that this situation has occurred. On the other hand it is a nice counter to any overly smug Liverpool fans. :shifty:
tautological :dry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chebus
I think it stopped when the format for the CL changed from knock out to league in the early stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by MCHeshPants420
I do agree, btw, that it's a bit silly for the winners not to be able to defend it but as you say, rules are rules. Maybe they'll change it for next year and some smaller country won't get a spot in the CL or a larger country will get their allocation cut.
At this point, it'll be foolish to predict what will happen.
It looks UEFA's current stance is that while they relate to Liverpool in the circumstances, they won't make the FA give them a place. Having said that, the UEFA President and Chief Executive have both expressed personal wishes for Liverpool to defend the title.
I guess we'll find out what happens soon enough. No matter what happens, an upset is sadly unavoidable.
I'll say this though - If Everton do indeed take the place, they'd better bloody win it! :P
They've already taken it, by finishing fourth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illuminati
Just try, for a minute, to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. I'm quite sure that there would be no benevolence among your lot if that was the case.
So ... it is rather hypocritical to expect Everton to sit this one out.
[QUOTE=manker]If the champion did not get into the final four, I'd still prefer the champions to still get a place in next year's league. Doesn't matter that Liverpool won it - That view would still apply whether it was Liverpool, Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle or even West Bromwich Albion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illuminati
Just try, for a minute, to imagine that I wasn't an ignorant Liverpool supporter and (unlike many United fans I was talking to yesterday) that I can forget a domestic rivalry to cheer on a national level. Hell, I actually supported United for the FA Cup final, and they did deserve it compared to le Arsenal.
And TBH, I'm not expecting Everton to lose their place because of Liverpool. I'm hoping UEFA do something that'll let LFC in but not to take Everton's place.
But I still think that Everton would probably have as much chance of winning the Champions League as Norwich :dry:
[QUOTE=Illuminati]I would also like the champions to be able to defend their title - as I posted an hour ago - but this year, which is what we're talking about, provision hasn't been made if they do not qualify through their domestic league.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
What you're suggesting HAS to involve another club missing out, whether it be Everton or a club from abroad. There is no other way.
You're a hypocrite if you want Liverpool to defend their title this year at the expense of a different team because YOU wouldn't be magnanimous should it be Liverpool that had to give up their hard earned right to compete. None of us would.
You should accept the situation with dignity rather than bitch. Not that I expect any Liverpool fans to do that, of course.That's totally irrelevant. What is your point, I'm talking about Liverpool's right to compete next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illuminati
The same could be said of Liverpool this year and Porto before them. Shocks happen in cup competitions, domestic leagues are needed to sort the wheat from the chaff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illuminati
They should do what they did in Karate Kid III for Ralph Macchio.
Not really. ATM the group stages eliminate the 32 teams into eight for the playoffs. It can safely made that one group takes five teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Admittedly, this would be unusual and be like taking the short straw during the draw, but it would be the best method of the champions still competiting (so they can be defeated) while making sure no other team suffers because of their presence.
I'd be a little pissed if it happens, but the fact that then they'd have no claim to entry would mean the feeling would subside.Quote:
You're a hypocrite if you want Liverpool to defend their title this year at the expense of a different team because YOU wouldn't be magnanimous should it be Liverpool that had to give up their hard earned right to compete. None of us would.
If it eventually comes that Liverpool will indeed not qualify in any way for the Champions League next year, so be it. But to believe that many Liverpool fans will not hope that the new development of winning the title less than 24 hours ago may not hold a chance is naive at best.
As I said long ago in this thread, what happens happens. Not everyone will be content within whatever happens in the short-term aftermath of the match, but this matter will (gladly) be finished within a few weeks one way or another.
Oh go screw yourself, you welsh United wannabe. United'sQuote:
Originally Posted by manker
bitchingroar would be even worse if it was on the other foot and you know it. :P
My point is that you've been wanting Liverpool to lose before the match, and I get the feeling you can't stand the thought of one of United's rivals having the chance to defend it if it could be helped. Especially since each of United's rivals have stopped United getting silverware - Chelsea with the Premiership, Arsenal with the FA Cup, and now Liverpool with the Champions League.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
I'm not saying you've been one-sided, but I do say you've been biased.
We're agreed on sorting the wheat from the chaff - It's just a case of whether the reigning team should go through.Quote:
Originally Posted by manker
Thinking about it though, it'd be more interesting if only the champions of each domestic league went through. It'd make it a bit more faster and make it deserve the term Champions League a bit more. :ph34r:
They could also try and find some way of fitting them into the qualifying stages if they did decide to have them in the tournament.Quote:
Not really. ATM the group stages eliminate the 32 teams into eight for the playoffs. It can safely made that one group takes five teams.
I believe a Welsh team offered to play an extra qualifying place against Liverpool. With the winner going into the qualifiers proper.
Seems like a good solution to me. Small team gets good gates and possible TV money. Liverpool get chance to play in tournament.
That's the only way I could see it work, with everyone happy. However UEFA would have to circumvent their own rules to do it and I suspect they will avoid that.
Rules is rules and everybody knows them.
Shame.
PS I also agree it is mentalist that the winner does not get an automatic place.
I have to admit it's a good solution :) but something doesn't feel that right about it, having to fight for what's rightfully theirs anyway.
I would love to see Liverpool go through. I really would. But to take another team's place, even being the champions that doesn't feel right. Only thing I'd like is for the Welsh team to beat Liverpool if that happens - Welsh team qualifies, the champions have their unofficial chance & the champions' defeat is there.
I think the reason there is no automatic place is because most of the time the champions have qualified. Looking at it in another light though, maybe it would be a good thing if Liverpool didn't go through; like manker said, they didn't earn the right to qualify. And rather than it being a persistant competition as say boxing (and as I originally saw it), it's an annual tournament; teams have to qualify.
What I would love to see instead though is the winners of next year's champions league take on Liverpool in a friendly after the final - Can't win a contest without defeating the champions ;)
Now that is better, you were intimating earlier that Everton should be forced to step aside, this new viewpoint is one I agree with for the most part. However, your logistics are askew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illuminati
The only way to properly incorporate them into the tournament is to make one of the groups in the first round proper a five team round-robin. They'd have to bypass the qualifiers then tho' - which is obviously unfair given their lowly final position in the Premiership and the increased number of games that the other clubs would have to play c.f. the teams in other groups. Sir Alex certainly wouldn't like that and neither would UEFA, one presumes.
The idea of them going into the qualifiers is also fraught with problems as insted of having 56 teams competeing for 16 places, you now have 57. The three qualifying rounds for the CL are intricate and meticulously planned with 20 teams competeing in the first round, an extra 18 enter at the second round stage and a final 18 are added in the 3rd round.
If Liverpool were to enter in any of the stages - even if an extra play-off against a Welsh club was organised - then you'd have an odd number of clubs so it simply wouldn't work. When I said that another club would have to miss out if the rules were changed such that Liverpool were able to defend their title, this is what I meant.
Now where is the anti-Liverpool bias in that. It's simply mathematics.
Someone will have to miss out if Liverpool are to defend the cup. You've now said that you don't want that therefore I must assume that due to this fact you don't want Liverpool in next years competition.
Neither do I but I also have extra reason. I fucking hate Liverpool and wish misfortune on them :)